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JollyJoker
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posted December 08, 2024 04:22 PM |
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So your opinion is, 23% ALWAYS wanted to vote for the guy, but in the polls only 5% did, because the other 18% were afraid if they would say in the poll who they actually would vote for (if it was secret and no poll) they would los jobs, friends (?) and family (?)
That sounds like another conspiration theory because it doesn't make any sense at all because good poll results are encouraging fpor undecided and people who vote a certain way, although they would rather vote something else, for fear to waste a vote on someone not getting many votes. A poll result of, say 15-20% would probably have resulted in a lot people more taking note and vote someone who suddenly looked like a winner.
So I don't buy that at all.
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posted December 08, 2024 09:05 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
This is ridiculous and I think people have every right to raise a few questions. I mean, just look at it:
Let's cancel the election results two days before the runoff, surely the people won't mind that their votes don't matter. Let's take a dump on their choice because we're afraid that Tiktok bots influenced the voters to choose this guy. Yup. I didn't think this was possible, but here we are.
Good job in upholding "democracy". Very smart. I didn't even vote for Georgescu, but I am amazed. If anything, this will make him and his voters (and other voters as well) even more ardent against the current administration.
A judge is sometimes a politician in a robe instead of a suit.
Every election is interfered with by foreign countries to some extent. Is this supposed to be newsworthy?
Not that I really know enough to have a strong opinion, but it smells very fishy from the start. It definitely needs to be something more substantial than internet bots, otherwise there will never be another election.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 08, 2024 10:29 PM |
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Blizzard said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Not that I really know enough to have a strong opinion, but it smells very fishy from the start. It definitely needs to be something more substantial than internet bots, otherwise there will never be another election.
That's the problem. What could be more substantial than the internet nowadays? And "nowadays" already lasts some time in that regard.
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posted December 09, 2024 04:55 AM |
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I mean, bots? Really?
And AI bots are only going to get better at appearing human and passing the Turing test. There are other ways to filter them out and to verify human identity, but I don't see how you could comb bots out completely.
There has been foreign interference in US elections for a long time, because US politics has such a massive impact on other places, that makes everybody else a special interest in it. Honestly, so what? Again, comb out the bots, but there's always going to be "interference" on the internet from people trying to persuade people of things, whether they're being paid for it or otherwise. National borders simply don't exist with hard lines the way that they used to, now that everything is digital.
Anyway, I have zero clue about the inner-workings of the Romanian election, but the judges better have some pretty good excuses.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 09, 2024 10:41 AM |
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What do you mean, bots?
What about fake copies of real websites touting believable stories with photos and ten of thousands of likes and shares? Stories that discredit people or politics, fabrications, but not easily identifiable as such? I mean, once you get a message out, like a certain group of people eating pets, it's difficult to make that disappear again, since there will be enough people to readily believe and spread it.
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posted December 09, 2024 10:58 AM |
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If polls give him at 2% one week before, then he ends much higher, is hard to believe at any manipulation of the opinion, it doesn't happen so fast. Either people avoided saying they vote for him, or polls ware biased, like making a poll Trump/Harris in the middle of New York.
Anyway, accusations of being paid by Russia can't explain the rise of score neither, it is irrelevant on that matter *. I spoke to several Romanians, for what is worth, and they were unanimous - even if some didn't vote for him, is a coup d'etat. The guy doesn't fit to the narrative which is : be anti-Russia, pro-Nato and pro-EU. They will move him aside then run again, for whatsoever reason. Then our medias will bow - like they already do, the pretext of having Russian ties is usually enough.
* Isn't ironic that Navalny party was partly financed by the CIA but he still was the good guy to run, then when the other way (and those are only assumptions at the moment), not acceptable. ^^
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posted December 09, 2024 03:21 PM |
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Salamandre said:
If polls give him at 2% one week before, then he ends much higher, is hard to believe at any manipulation of the opinion, it doesn't happen so fast. Either people avoided saying they vote for him, or polls ware biased, like making a poll Trump/Harris in the middle of New York.
Anyway, accusations of being paid by Russia can't explain the rise of score neither, it is irrelevant on that matter *. I spoke to several Romanians, for what is worth, and they were unanimous - even if some didn't vote for him, is a coup d'etat. The guy doesn't fit to the narrative which is : be anti-Russia, pro-Nato and pro-EU. They will move him aside then run again, for whatsoever reason. Then our medias will bow - like they already do, the pretext of having Russian ties is usually enough.
* Isn't ironic that Navalny party was partly financed by the CIA but he still was the good guy to run, then when the other way (and those are only assumptions at the moment), not acceptable. ^^
The information are a bit scarce, as what to really happened but as well he could do some sort of contest, so these who voted for him got some sort of incentive? This would explains perfectly, why he scored and also why he has been kicked out.
The official info said, that there were false accounts on Tiktok, paid by Russians, which lead to his surprising victory. But I didn't noticed the whole scheme to be uncovered.
I also was talking with some romanians and honestly, nobody knows him.
Better to put in some serious sources, before you start accusation of CIA, that it was paying Navalnyj. That sounds like straight away from russian propaganda handbook. As they say that about all parties, which have different, than official opinion.
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posted December 09, 2024 03:46 PM |
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I know quite a few people in the country who were familiar with him, and before the first round they were telling me that a lot of Romanians living abroad are going to vote for Georgescu. Heck, when the courts cancelled the election, people had already started to vote abroad for the runoff.
But that doesn't matter to our benevolent rulers. When they decide to hold another "election", I bet he won't be allowed to run. Let's cancel the results until we get the "correct" winner, right?
Also, even Elena Lasconi, who was supposed to be Georgescu's opponent in the runoff, said that it's not a good decision and anti-democratic.
What a laughingstock Romania has become. Not that it was great before this, but now I really lost whatever trust I had left. Sigh.
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Salamandre
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posted December 09, 2024 04:05 PM |
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Pol said:
That sounds like straight away from russian propaganda handbook. As they say that about all parties, which have different, than official opinion.
You are just ignorant of what's going on, and journalists don't do their job. HERE is an article from New York Times about NED (National Endowment for Democracy) partly funding the Democratic Alternative Movement, co-founded by Alexey Navalny.
And HERE is Allen Weinstein, the founder of NED, acknowledging in the Washington Post : "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
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posted December 09, 2024 07:24 PM |
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So, France doesn't really have a budget for 2025 yet? Le Pen won't endorse austerity measures that target pensioners, which gives her a leg up with the aging population. Macron needs to accept that he needs to appoint a PM from the NPF, but he might refuse to do it.
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posted December 09, 2024 08:55 PM |
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Blizzard said:
Le Pen won't endorse austerity measures that target pensioners, which gives her a leg up with the aging population.
Common..
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