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gnollking
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posted August 25, 2024 03:40 PM |
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heymlich said:
Hourglass said:
I would say they're often not worth your time.
I think so, too. The main problem for me is, that I tend to pick wisdom late. At the time I can clear the pyramid, I simply don't have expert wisdom, and later I don't want to go back for just one spell, not even knowing if it will be useful.
In theory, looking at the way Pyramid data is stored in the map, one should be able to edit it and place any level spell as a reward. Could be an interesting idea to have spells like Slow, Haste, Town Portal, etc. be rewards in a custom map. I'm slowly working on a giant HotA map, and these types of ideas are what make me design some areas every now and then  .
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted August 26, 2024 10:39 AM |
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What exactly do you mean by fair and why they should be?
Unfair to newcomers, unfair to might heroes?
I think it's fine to have this "mystic" behaviour.
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phoenix4ever
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posted August 26, 2024 12:14 PM |
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I mean the spell is a one time deal, so imagine getting DD and then preventing any other heroes from getting it.
And magic heroes usually start with Basic or Advanced Wisdom, might heroes usually don't...
It is mostly the first part, I have a problem with.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Nixonite
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posted August 26, 2024 12:35 PM |
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They're not fair, but to me that's part of the charm of the game.
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted August 26, 2024 02:34 PM |
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How will it be not fair? Is there such a thing if you get dd from it others cannot get dd from other methods??
In Hota we frequently get spellbinders hat. It covers all fifth level spell. Now that is unfair.
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phoenix4ever
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posted August 26, 2024 04:06 PM |
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thecastrated said:
In Hota we frequently get spellbinders hat. It covers all fifth level spell. Now that is unfair.
Yes, but you can defeat that hero and take the hat, there is no way to get the pyramid spell back.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 26, 2024 04:14 PM |
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Yes, but hard to defeat the hero.. In HotA strong hero can't come back.. You lose hat.. Thus player doesn't want to give you.. Illusion world 2 has found hat.. A lots of Earth Elementals are guarded.. Players have hurry to get a hat.. A few factory can't get it, but in there pyramids and other artifacts e.g. Tome of Earth..
Yesterday I played Illusion world 2 for pyramids, but level 5 spells..
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 27, 2024 08:16 PM |
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Okay let me ask you guys another question:
Do you take the pyramids, even though you don't have enough Wisdom, out of fear that another hero might take it or do you wait until you have Expert Wisdom to take it?
Also how does AI work in regards to this?
Perhaps I should test it...
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 27, 2024 08:51 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Do you take the pyramids, even though you don't have enough Wisdom, out of fear that another hero might take it or do you wait until you have Expert Wisdom to take it?
Ok I wrote "If you are slow player.. When players know about pyramid.. So the race is tough, thus might heroes visit a pyramid without getting spell, or fooled might hero gives to magic hero.. Illusion world 2 gave examples already.."
But I will add the matter.. If you are played Illusion world 2.. First Green Tower visits a Pyramid.. It depends on hero, skillful, etc But strong undead Teal hero can steal it.. It causes Teal undead hero can have over 50 Gold Dragons in the first month.. Can Green Tower be given to the undead Teal hero? Remember random spell in a pyramid, so hat is the best in Illusion world 2 strategy.. I gave examples shortly.. Ok another what? If your enemy is near.. The same matter it depends on hero i.e. might or magic, random spell in a pyramid, etc.. And then Giant map, so you can play in peace.. But Scenario: The Pyramid, and M - sized map.. You can't give to enemy, so the best might hero goes to destroy spell.. If you are arrived in there..
Maybe.. I got an idea, why not might for pyramid.. Expert Tactics! And current magic for pyramid, Expert Wisdom!
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted August 27, 2024 09:55 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Do you take the pyramids, even though you don't have enough Wisdom, out of fear that another hero might take it or do you wait until you have Expert Wisdom to take it?
Perhaps only if the the Pyramid would be right next to road, and I would for some reason have dealt with the initial guards protecting the pyramid already.
I would say that in general, there aren't that many of objectives that I would really go out of my way to make sure my opponents doesn't get it. This would mostly include the super powerful artifacts such as tomes, control scrolls, pieces of the Angelic alliance, creature banks etc.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 27, 2024 10:01 PM |
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But the pyramid could contain a control spell, DD or Fly...
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 27, 2024 10:11 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 22:14, 27 Aug 2024.
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@Hourglass
You can't protect them.. I wonder if you can control your town too.. You should immediately take the pyramid! If you've in about 200 skeletons, 10 Vampire Lords and 7 liches, so Gold Golems split 5x8 Gold Golems, and Diamond Golemes split 2x10, for example.. I played but level 5 spells.. When Cure, TP, Frenzy, etc Ok, no impossible to you.. Later on you realize neutrals..
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 27, 2024 10:19 PM |
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The golems will never split, they are always 10 diamond, 10 diamond and 40 gold.
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gnollking
Supreme Hero
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posted August 27, 2024 10:53 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
But the pyramid could contain a control spell, DD or Fly...
Sounds like a terrible map if these spells are left to complete RNG.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 27, 2024 11:22 PM |
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 27, 2024 11:24 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
The golems will never split, they are always 10 diamond, 10 diamond and 40 gold.
And what guess? Level 5 spells.. I realized that I played WoG/ERA Launcher.. I must to try Heroes 3 Complete.. In there level 1-5 spells..
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 07:38 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
But the pyramid could contain a control spell, DD or Fly...
Yes, it could. Or it could contain a Magic Mirror.
Just like I said, I wouldn't go out of my for such thing.
Blocking the opponent from any objective does only really happen if you're ahead of the other player, and want to make sure the other player continues to be on back foot. Also, even if blocking does happen, it should be focused only for the most vital objectives.
Whereas pyramids could perhaps contain the DD spell, they're nearly not as vital to be let to be checked by your opponents, compared to the blue hat and a earth/air tome for example, which you can be sure that if your opponent can grab one, he gets access to control spells. Also remember that if the objective is not nearby you, your opponent will likely need sweat as much you would, if the wants to take it.
If you have an advantage, and you're ahead of the other player, using the open window of going for the kill is usually the key to victory. If you always play safe, you're giving the opponent more time to come back to the game.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 08:41 PM |
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gnollking said:
Phoenix4ever said:
But the pyramid could contain a control spell, DD or Fly...
Sounds like a terrible map if these spells are left to complete RNG.
Thank you.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 28, 2024 09:00 PM |
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Can you explain what you and Gnollking means then?, since he apparently can't.
You are saying TP is 
But DD and Fly are apparently 
What about Water Walk then? and what about Logistics, Logistics specialists, Boots of Speed and Equestrian's Gloves?
If you remove DD and Fly on a XL +underground map, you are just gonna make the map take even longer. That imo
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted August 28, 2024 11:53 PM |
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You have to try other maps, other conditions, cause for me is quite obvious and I tried to explain several times but you don't listen.
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