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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 08, 2002 01:56 PM |
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Yeah maybe its time to move on to H4..
But please.. make heroes classic so good that there is still a similar ranking system for those who want to play h3.. some ppl won´t change even if there is no option, and those ppl would still play toh if given the option to play toh for h3. I think I am one of them, cause if I´m gonna play something new, it won´t be h4, but Neverwinter Nights..
Ya the TOH ranking system is unique and its damn good, to recieve points for losing for example means all you need to do is to play like a mad man to win, no matter how your skills are. The TOH ranking system is the best, please try and keep it somehow.
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salpinx
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posted July 08, 2002 06:10 PM |
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From a long-time vet...
All along I've been in the H4 bashing side of the fence. You can search my posts on this subject and find the usual complaints. The past couple of weekends though I've given the game a shot. First I started reading all the strategy threads on various boards. Then I started playing one of the large maps over and over with different configurations (Dragon King? ..it's a large difficult rated map). I am now very hooked.
My only major complaint still outstanding (besides multiplayer) is length of gameplay. However, I'm also finding that my gameplay time has been reduced dramatically now that I know what I'm doing. I haven't played any hotseat yet but I would say games will be 50% longer at the most. This still isn't great but maybe it can be addressed by the way maps are designed. The new fact of life: you just won't be able to play with people with hand-me-down systems -- start buying RAM and a few extra hamsters.
Strategically, this game rocks. I don't miss chaining at all now that I've figured a few things out. And if you don't have things figured out, you will get completely obliterated by those who do know what they are doing (sounds a little like H3...). What is so freakin' great is that you don't (can't...) use the same cookie-cutter strategy for each town (get to level 5 dwelling week 1). Additionally, the opening gamut is now spread over the first 3 to 4 weeks. How you develop your hero(es), what dwellings you go for, how well you scout -- it will be different for each town type and associated hero selection. The variety you can thus achieve gives the game much more strategic depth than H3. Believe me, you won't miss chaining...I repeat, you won't miss chaining.
In the future, I think the variety of multi-player maps will reflect the greater strategic depth of H4. Strategy in designed H3 maps didn't much go beyond day 2, week 3. That's a major reason for the shift to random maps. In H4, I see all kinds of maps being made that just wouldn't be possible or fun in H3.
My prediction: a ton of the old vets will come around to really liking this game. I recommend you figure it out sooner than later or start getting used to losing because there will be a whole new breed of player out there ready to take you down in short order if you're not prepared 
If 3do gets the right patches out for H4, I think this game could easily be as much loved as H3 has been for so long.
my $.02... salpinx
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P.S. Jinxer, once you play more than an hour of H4 you will realize how hilarious and uninformed your complaint about how easy it is to build a mage guild sounds. I think that even peoples' complaints about "lack of creature selection" will disappear. Having to decide what you want is the key here.
It's tough being a n00b all over again....
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tortoise
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Master of Reptiles.
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posted July 08, 2002 10:39 PM |
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ok, well to answer the mage guild question for all these people who can't use their brains... In heroes 3, you have basic advanced and expert correct? so, that's only 3 levels. and your at expert, which is why mage guilds cost so much.
now for heroes 4. i'm going to be blunt. OMG ITS #*$#$ IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GRAND MASTER MAGIC AHHHH ITS LIKE 10 LEVELS!!!! and the mage guilds cost a few gold and some wood... answer your question, anybody?
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted July 08, 2002 10:42 PM |
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Salphinx makes h4 sound great, but..
from the start I couldnt really get into H4, and the reason isnt so much the game, its how 3do released it, buggy and with no MP. Ive been awaiting the multi patch to see if there is much of a future for the game, but I wonder what the news is on it.
Is 3do working hard on it everyday tryin to perfect it? are they casually workin on it? are they even working on it or planning to save it for an expansion? Are they running into problems? Im sure most heroes fans hope the first choice, but hard to tell with 3do, and as a result the h4 spirit isnt very high. and this isnt just how I feel, but several I have talked to feel the same, that basically 3do could throw a game that could be great away.
anyways..back to playing Neverwinter Nights I go  I dont think Ill touch h4 or reinstall it for that matter until there a good reason to
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Thunder
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posted July 09, 2002 08:50 PM |
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Yes jb, there is a good reason to do so. Download my map from MapHaven (The Life of Hobbit) and figure out why SP HoMM beats most of the other games as single player. Or, at least you will see part of the potential of the map editor.
Also update the game too, patches 1.2+ are great.
What comes for Heroes 4, well I haven't been playing it much lately. But on the other hand I haven't been playing much of the other games either. But I play Heroes 4 in hotseat sometimes and it is better than HoMM 3 in hotseat.
One thing I don't understand is that you people talk about reinstalling and removing of the game? What is it people? You have only hard disk space of 1 GB only and can keep only one game besides Windows and *orn files in your hard disk?
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Ghost_of_Lor...
Adventuring Hero
The first Holy Ghost
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posted July 09, 2002 09:23 PM |
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I do agree with HOMM3 not being the best but it runs a LOT faster.
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Professor_Wi...
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posted July 10, 2002 12:06 AM |
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heroes3 forever!
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jb239
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posted July 10, 2002 02:53 AM |
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One thing I don't understand is that you people talk about reinstalling and removing of the game? What is it people? You have only hard disk space of 1 GB only and can keep only one game besides Windows and *orn files in your hard disk?
Well in my case I had to reformat my Harddrive, but not everyone has a large harddrive with tons of space available
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Re-Animator
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 10, 2002 06:46 AM |
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Hey V,
Will there be a special recognition award in ToH for those who realized the vastly greater strategic potential of HoMM4 since it came out and supported it despite the overwhelming nay-saying of others?
Heck, I even like the fact that Behemoths are more real looking in this version (as opposed to the body-building physique most monsters tend to get in fantasy games).
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted July 10, 2002 07:17 AM |
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Ive always thought Heroes 4 had great potential
strategy wise that is... but hard to support a game that in a sense isnt fully done, and that is where my beef is with the game.
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Greystole
Hired Hero
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posted July 10, 2002 09:08 PM |
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Reanimator...what about an award for those who just keep their negative vibes to themselves until 3DOH completes the construction of the game? ;-)
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andiangelsla...
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Famous Hero
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posted July 10, 2002 09:12 PM |
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how can someone defend h4 or 3doh, looking at how the things are now about h4? i just dun get it...is beyond me
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Thunder
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Famous Hero
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posted July 10, 2002 09:28 PM |
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Yeah, but more imbecil it is to say that Heroes 4 sucks. Despite some flaws it is really a grand game.
And I have never defended 3DO, it was the NWC that made the job anyway.
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lecky333
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posted July 11, 2002 12:03 AM |
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hey! heroes 3 still has new things to offer!
For instance just today I put the cd in and WOW the blue genie on that cd has a nipple! Never saw that before.
Imagine that. Genies have nipples-the most famous genie...? i forgot his name the guy with aladin. He didn't have nipples.
Of course Heroes 3 will die eventually, but you can bet your ass I'll be here playing it all summer. Why? i still have fun with it.
JB and other mapmakers! Don't like that h4 editor just make another heroes 3 map for old times sake We have some new maps but they suck, imo.
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LichKing
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posted July 11, 2002 01:18 AM |
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My two cents
Remember Gremlin Rushes and 3 minute data transers, folks?
There's a reason everyone playing HoMM3 is running version 1.3 or 3.2.
H3 had its fair share of bugs when it was released and we thought it was the best thing to hit the internet since free porn 
I'm from the Heroes3 Forever camp, myself, but I'm also trying to be objective about H4.
3DO really screwed up on the release date, considering the game was over a year late. They dropped the ball on multiplayer support and the game was buggy as hell from the onset. It still has major issues after 2 patches. Pretty grim, huh?
That doesn't mean it isn't a good game. It has huge potential and just needs some more work. That's what patches are for.
Now let's talk about Heroes3 a bit. THIS game still has some pretty significant bugs that people have come to not only accept, but also to USE routinely as if they were a natural part of the game.
How's my opponent doing on finding towns? Exactly how is he doing financially? Hmmmm, looks like he has 3 city halls and a capitol.
Damn, he said his second town was a Castle, too. I sure hope he isn't doing a double build.......OMG he already has a citadel built in it!!!!
And then there are the other bugs........Art merchant, double spells......the game has survived them all and still has a huge following.
Back to H4..... So what if the current patch allows nearly unlimited movement. I don't care if someone could duplicate their troops at will, either.
How am I going to avoid being cheated? It's simple. I have over 40 people on my friends list, and I trust each and every one of them. From Adler to Zud.
And I know I can play a buggy H4 with them and have a fun, honest game without having to worry about being cheated.
I'm sure I can play my fill with these people and not have to worried about getting bored before a patch comes out that eradicates these bugs.
And after the problems are addressed, I'm sure I'll be comfortable playing strangers.....and I'll be making new gaming friends as an added bonus
Cheaters are going to cheat--period. If they don't have a bug they can exploit they'll be editing maps or viewing saves or using one of those damned trainers. The best defense against them is the Honor Council, the HOS, and word of mouth. When they can't get a decent game because nobody wants anything to do with them maybe we'll get lucky and other potential cheaters will see that it just isn't worth it.
Btw, how long did we anticipate H4? Think about it. From the very beginning, 3DO told us it was going to be a totally new game. Well, we got a totally new game. It's different. Didn't they do pretty much what they said they were going to do?
It's going to take time to learn it, and that's part of the thrill of the whole thing. We're all newbs again, lol.
There has been a paradigm shift. If H4 was like H3 it would be an expansion, not a new version of an old game. I'm sure if we give 3DO the time to iron these problems it'll be as much fun to play as H3 ever was. But unless we're willing to adjust our thinking and acknowledge the fact that this just isn't H3 anymore then the game is never going to get the fair chance it deserves to have.
And in the meantime, we have the best of both worlds. We have H4 ToH to look forward to, and we also get to continue playing H3 if we wish.
I know I'll be playing both for a very long time to come.
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tortoise
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Master of Reptiles.
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posted July 11, 2002 01:31 AM |
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true and true again, i mean everygame has patches, the good ones and the bad ones... DiabloII for example and starcraft brood wars... those were Smash hit games that made huge ammounts of money... and they had. about 10 patches! started at 1.00 and i think in bw they are at 1.09? or 1.11 cant remember, point it every game has patches some more than others... Star craft didn't have many bugs. But it had major balance changes. so would you rather have a slightly buggy heroes 4 with a few problems being corrected by honest players? or an unbalanced heroes 4 with a few legit ways to lead an almost guaranteed victory? Anyways, when the multiplayer patch comes out I have full confidence that i'll be playing it for hours and hours
Private and public games.
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andiangelsla...
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Famous Hero
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posted July 11, 2002 02:29 AM |
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pleasy guys, dont "come up with "h3 had gremlin rush and all that"...man that are bugs you can live with, h4 has tons of worse bugs and no multi, you just cant compare that...also the whole game aint that great...
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Dar_Kraven
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Adventuring Hero
Finally Sober
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posted July 11, 2002 02:39 AM |
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heroes 3 is ancient, a classic like chess - heroes 4 is crap. i choose the classic, mixed with other games like warcraf 3 anytime...
Probaly First and Last time i will ever agree with Andi...........
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LichKing
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posted July 11, 2002 03:51 AM |
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Hiya Andi
I can live with practically any bug as long as I know I can trust the person I'm playing with not to use it
And I agree, H4 isn't all that great--yet. But it isn't all that bad, either.
And it's not finished yet.
So I'll wait :-)
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madmartigan
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who will never walk alone
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posted July 11, 2002 10:06 AM |
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my 1 million Turkish Lira
The bugs H3 had were "bugs"
The bugs H4 have are "BUGS"
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