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posted July 25, 2002 02:16 PM bonus applied.
Edited By: Hexa on 25 Jul 2002

little but interesting details in h3

did you know that...

- champions dont get their 5% damage bonus per hex they moved vs pikemen and helbadiers?

- azure dragons are immune to L1-3 spells but not to L4 and L5?

- theres 1 1-4spell you can use on gold dragons? thats dispel, and that sacrifice doesnt work with them even if its L5?

- all dragons and hydras become bone dragons in the skeleton transformer?

- Dragons cant be stoned by medusas and basilisks, or blinded by unicorns, but that they can be paralyzed by scorps and aged by ghost drags?

- gargoyles cant be resurrected coz they are "not living", but strangly they can get morale, unlike golems?

- a ghost dragon can help a lot in a topia if you can afford it with your own morale, coz drags can alrdy have no morale in there and against a ghost they sometimes freeze?

Edit by Hexa: Qp applied ... nice to help out us nOObs

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Sir_Stiven
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posted July 25, 2002 02:36 PM

Ī%#"&#Ī/&#"/ its true, damn goldies cant be sacrifised...even with exp. fire school...that is be suc!

And that gargoyle moral also sucks bad, every time im fighting those damn obsidian gargs they go moral first turn and then all my precious elves are gone

Talking about moral and topes, in SOD there are some strange grounds that gives moral/decreases moral depending on creature alignment good/evil/neutral. Kinda funny when first one drag stack gets moral and then the next freezes...
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Djive
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posted July 25, 2002 02:53 PM

I didn't know some of this. Good stuff.

The Gold Dragon can be target by the "Sac" part of the sacrifice spell (level 5), but not the resurrect part (level 4). (The only time I can see myself saccing Goldies is if I only have Goldies and Azures and want to get back some Azures, or something like that.)

A few more additions:
- Legion artifacts only gives one bonus per hero, but if you split it into two heroes (visiting + garrison) you can have bonuses for both. So two Heads of Legion on one hero in a Stronghold give +1 Cyclops per week, but if you split them up on two Heros you can get +2 Cyclopses per week.

- Some effects can be Cured but not Dispelled. To this category belongs Wyvern Monarch's poison and Dendroid binding (if I recall correctly). Perhaps a few more... Possibly Ghost Dragon's aging.
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Lews_Therin
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posted July 25, 2002 03:07 PM

Yes, as much as I like flood protection working on Andi , the above post deserves a QP. Didnīt know most of those. Are you sure about aging and Black Dragons? I think I tested that once, and after the ability didnīt work 15 times in a row, I concluded that they had to be immune.
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posted July 25, 2002 03:46 PM

not sure about blacks, but i know golds can be aged

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Commando
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posted July 25, 2002 06:50 PM

Other tidbits & bugs:

1) Badge of courage prevents all mind spells (berserk, blind, etc.)

2) Armour of the Damned and Angelic Alliance work in anti-magic garrison

3) If your fastest troop attacks, gets morale and you wait it, it will not be allowed to move for last before end of turn (ergo, if you're doing some in-field hit 'n' run stuff you'd better skip the extra move to avoid trouble =)) (not quite sure I explained myself properly here...)

4) Thorgrim can become immune to *all* spells except...dispel!

There are another few I can't recall...getting senile =(
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posted July 25, 2002 07:59 PM

Cool thread!
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posted July 26, 2002 02:29 AM

I did many tests with magic mirror.

Say you have only one creature that has been anti-magicked, and you cast an offensive spell (such as weakness) at an enemy creature that has magic mirror, the enemy creature HAS to take the damage.

If you cast precision on one of your own units that has magic mirror (like elves) they can't reflect it if you don't have any other ranged units

There were other stuff in the battle.. I don't remember exactly all of it. It went on for about an hour and a half, magic mirroring and lots of fun spell slinging.
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haile73
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posted July 26, 2002 10:07 AM

-Serpent / Dragon Flies dispel anti-magic
-Expert Diplomacy is sufficient to benefit from a Library of Enlightment (even without having reached level 10)
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uncoatedtitan
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posted July 26, 2002 12:07 PM

Hia all
Darn good thread Andi
Well here's me 8 pence to the pot
Hydras, despice their speed, can be a killer to get Cons and hives ( well this also goes for other 'stores', ie. dwarven/medusa/imps..etc.) early in the game. I have played a few games where i have observed that after the griffins/flies have made their move, you just have to place the hydras in the right place and some of the other griffins/flies wont attack you untill the monsters in front of the hydra(s) are splattered to the ground I know , I know 1 hydra vs a full Cons = a quick death as well but just check em out first.
As for Bron and his 5-7 basilisks followers. I have tried to dismiss him day seven and then he re-appeared day 1 with 7 more mebe I was just lucky, dunno.
And Blacks can be aged.
Hehehe, Haile I best have a handful of flies next time I play vs necro
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posted July 27, 2002 01:38 AM
Edited By: RedSoxFan3 on 26 Jul 2002

Quote:
- theres 1 1-4spell you can use on gold dragons? thats dispel, and that sacrifice doesnt work with them even if its L5?


Dispel isn't targeting the Gold Dragon. It's targeting the SPELL on the Gold Dragon. Isn't that why you can dispel anti-magic? Therefore resistance also shouldn't affect dispel either. I haven't played enough games to know this, but you should know if you have ever seen resistance stop dispel.

Quote:
- Dragons cant be stoned by medusas and basilisks, or blinded by unicorns, but that they can be paralyzed by scorps and aged by ghost drags?

Quote:
- Some effects can be Cured but not Dispelled. To this category belongs Wyvern Monarch's poison and Dendroid binding (if I recall correctly). Perhaps a few more... Possibly Ghost Dragon's aging.


I believe that abilities like aging, paralysation, are not considered spells. This explains why you can't dispel them AND why black dragons aren't immune to them.

On the other hand, petrification and blinding must be considered spells, because you can dispel these AND black dragons are immune to them.
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Dear_Morons
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posted July 27, 2002 02:25 AM - penalty applied.

Not only is what Andi said literally little but interesting, but he couldn't spend the 5 seconds it would take to realize how he didnt know what he was talking about.

Its one thing to say you play multi, but its another to actually know HOW the game works. Thank you Andi for showing us all how stupid you have really proven yourself to be.
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posted July 27, 2002 02:52 AM

Quote:
Not only is what Andi said literally little but interesting, but he couldn't spend the 5 seconds it would take to realize how he didnt know what he was talking about.

Its one thing to say you play multi, but its another to actually know HOW the game works. Thank you Andi for showing us all how stupid you have really proven yourself to be.


I would say that this is Dar_Kraven, but the spelling is too good. Who could this be?
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 27, 2002 08:35 AM

is that it though? just hydras and dragons become bone dragons? but why hydras? dragons make sense hydras dont this thread deserved 2 +qp
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posted July 27, 2002 01:30 PM

Quote:
Not only is what Andi said literally little but interesting, but he couldn't spend the 5 seconds it would take to realize how he didnt know what he was talking about.

Its one thing to say you play multi, but its another to actually know HOW the game works. Thank you Andi for showing us all how stupid you have really proven yourself to be.

LOOOOL, you go Mr. Capitol builder!

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Djive
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posted July 27, 2002 02:09 PM

KNOCK IT OFF!

Quote:
Not only is what Andi said literally little but interesting, but he couldn't spend the 5 seconds it would take to realize how he didnt know what he was talking about.

Its one thing to say you play multi, but its another to actually know HOW the game works. Thank you Andi for showing us all how stupid you have really proven yourself to be.


Ok. I don't moderate library, but I can penalize rules breaches in it... If I see more threadkillers and off-topic throwers from you (which I believe the quoted post is), you'll get a penalty. (I also very much dislike the tone of your post.)

Annoy me, and I'll penalize the above post also.

Please all, get back to the topic.
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posted July 27, 2002 02:35 PM

thx djive, dear moron was too much of a fake account for me to answer him...
to 2xtreme: yeah only green, red, gold and black drags, and hydras (chaos too)

this one most will know: you can check topias, treasuries, imp caches, naga banks and medusa stores to get an idea of how many await you in there...walk on it, but dont go in it when asked and than right click on the bank...and example is guarded by a pack of nagas, that can be 10 or 15 than.
doesnt work with derelict ships and crypths.


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posted July 27, 2002 02:45 PM

I just wanna say andi.. When I played HOMM3 alot, I considered myself a great player. I rarely had prob's in campaines.
I just have to say I didn't know of half the word's you speak! This will probably help me go through the game quicker.

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RedSoxFan3
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posted July 28, 2002 11:25 PM

Dispel does not target creatures. It targets spells. It even says:

Remove all spell effects FROM a friendly creature.

An expert dispel says:

Remove all spell effects FROM all units on the battlefield.

Dispel clearly states that it is not targeting the creature. It is targeting the spell on the creature. This is something often misread by most people including experts of the game.
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Nebuka
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posted July 29, 2002 01:25 AM

Quote:
Dispel does not target creatures. It targets spells. It even says:

Remove all spell effects FROM a friendly creature.



Damn it! Those minotaurs were friendly...
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