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DarkVenom
DarkVenom


Adventuring Hero
Grandmaster Daywalker
posted December 06, 2002 09:42 AM

What the heck is Undead Transformer?

Necroplis is my favourite but even then I don't know what Undead Transformer do! I mean elven town got additional creature generator, Chaos generates spell point...so and so. But I can't figure out what Necroplis' Undead Transformer is all about! I know it change my 3 lvl Venom Spawn to stupid Ghost! I mean what is the use?

Anyone got any idea???
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Lich_King
Lich_King


Honorable
Supreme Hero
posted December 06, 2002 10:41 AM

LOL

It's used to convert living creatures to undead ones. And its not used for your town creatures. Use some from life or Nature...

Level 1 and 2 transforms into Skeletons (Now we have usage of Leprechauns )
Level 3 transforms into Ghosts
Level 4 transforms into Vampires
Level 4 Dragons (at least 2 Faeries and 1 Black) transforms into 1 Bone Dragon
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DarkVenom
DarkVenom


Adventuring Hero
Grandmaster Daywalker
posted December 06, 2002 10:59 AM

Thank for the reply, Lich King! But what is the use?! Who will want their precious Angels turn into Vampires. Vampire is really good but how can it be better than 4 lvl?

Is there some strategy on the use of this Undead Transformer?
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Lich_King
Lich_King


Honorable
Supreme Hero
posted December 06, 2002 11:11 AM

Well Angel definately is not better than Vampire.... And If you have many external (Nature/Order/Chaos/Might/Life) dwellings you can expand your army. And besides,when mixing troops that will lower your morale to -2 + Oposites -6 = -8 Morale with Angels in your death army. And units with low morale will do -20% less damage and move in the end of round. And besides who needs Leprechaus and Scuires in undead army ?
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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
gets back
posted December 06, 2002 06:00 PM

Yup, and the real question is something like this:

Do you want 15 Vampires and 2 Angels
        or 17 Vampires and 193 Imps.

So?

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Medusa
Medusa


Famous Hero
Yeah, right
posted December 07, 2002 11:59 AM

There's one more good thing about the undead transformer:
Fayry and Black dragons are transformed to the Bone dragons!
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tree
tree


Adventuring Hero
posted December 07, 2002 05:29 PM

Is a bone dragon stronger than a blackie?  Maybe not.  While that transformer thing only transform A blackie to A bone.  How much does a blackie cost...That transformer thing' pretty useless.  Spawn became ghost.  Titan become vampire.  Behemoth become vampire.  (can a vampire defeat a behemoth?)
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DarkVenom
DarkVenom


Adventuring Hero
Grandmaster Daywalker
posted December 08, 2002 06:14 AM

Tree make a good point which is what I want to say. There is no reason to get a Bone Dragon out of a Blackie. Even considering moral pelnaty, one blackie can still defeat one bone dragon. And one Behemoth into one Vampire? Give me a break!

In other words, Undead Transformer is useless. Not only that, it also make Death weak against (in term of town speciality) other town (as I have said, elven got extra creature generator).

Any one any idea what 3DO is doing?
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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
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Jebus maker
posted December 08, 2002 06:52 AM

tree, maybe your ideal army is made out of

1 black dragon
1 faerie dragon
1 titan
1 angel
1 hero
1 behemoth
and 1 hydra

But I can beat that easily with 30 vampires, 4 bone dragons, 50 ghosts and 200 skeletons.

The undead transformer allows you to concentrate your forces into 5 powerful stacks.

Itīs a very good structure.

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DarkVenom
DarkVenom


Adventuring Hero
Grandmaster Daywalker
posted December 08, 2002 07:20 AM

Quote:
But I can beat that easily with 30 vampires, 4 bone dragons, 50 ghosts and 200 skeletons.

Ha...ha. Can you beat me with 30 Vampire if I have 30 Titan (even 20). I don't think so! In any case, Undead Transformer is still useless!
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Largo_LeGrande
Largo_LeGrande


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from the Carribean
posted December 08, 2002 09:34 AM

Quote:
tree, maybe your ideal army is made out of

1 black dragon
1 faerie dragon
1 titan
1 angel
1 hero
1 behemoth
and 1 hydra

But I can beat that easily with 30 vampires, 4 bone dragons, 50 ghosts and 200 skeletons.

The undead transformer allows you to concentrate your forces into 5 powerful stacks.

Itīs a very good structure.


+ the moral is "pretty" low for that army to do anything. And about those 30 titans: how do you think you'll get 30 titans if your starting town is necropolis? Yes, you CAN get them, but the change to get them in a TOH game is merely nothing.
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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted December 08, 2002 09:40 AM

Can those 30 titans beat me if I have 900000 bone dragons??

HAHA I dont think so! Titans are U S E L E S S !!!!

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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
gets back
posted December 08, 2002 08:25 PM
Edited By: csarmi on 8 Dec 2002

Dark Venom, sorry to say that, but you are either

- plain stupid
- playing a game with us. (trying to fool us).

I hope it's the second.

Anyways, it IS worth making Bone Dragons of your Drakes in 90% of the cases.

The reasons have already been told.


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DarkVenom
DarkVenom


Adventuring Hero
Grandmaster Daywalker
posted December 09, 2002 08:00 AM

Quote:
Dark Venom, sorry to say that, but you are either

- plain stupid
- playing a game with us. (trying to fool us).

I hope it's the second.

Anyways, it IS worth making Bone Dragons of your Drakes in 90% of the cases.

I must be plain stupid cuz I still don't wanna get rid of Blackie's skin so that a get a bone out of it
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bjorn190
bjorn190


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Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted December 09, 2002 08:34 AM

Quote:

I must be plain stupid cuz I still don't wanna get rid of Blackie's skin so that a get a bone out of it


I agree. It is kind of stupid not to change a black dragon into a bone dragon if you have a necropolis town as main town.

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terje_the_mad_wizard


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Disciple of Herodotus
posted December 17, 2002 12:01 PM
Edited By: terje_the_mad_wizard on 25 Mar 2004

I agree with all of you who says it is good. Undead transformer is one of the best special buildings in the game, especially if you have charm or diplomacy at a high level. It's also good if you have a town of a different alignment, but don't wanna have two expensive heroes with complete creature stacks, but instead wants one supreme hero. Well, I have to correct myself, Creature portal is of coures the best special, if you have just one hero, that is, 'cause then you can have both FDs and Mantises (best Nature Creature..). Or you can boost your GM Summoning.
Anyway, like I said, Undead Transformer isn't bad. Not bad at all...
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Faerun
Faerun

Tavern Dweller
posted December 17, 2002 03:50 PM

i just finished the necropolis campaign (homm4)

by the end of it all i was walking round with was  2 heoroes death night and the main necromancer and devils bone dragons and vampires

if you manage to get high enough necromancy skill you get vampires added to your troup anyway so i didn't bother using the undead transformer but that may have had something to do with the fact all you had was undead cities lol  and having vampiric touch i wasn't really losing any mobs either so my army just kept growing and growing and growing
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Abort
Abort

Tavern Dweller
shapeshifter
posted December 26, 2002 06:26 PM

Quote:
I agree with all of you who says it is good. Undea trtansformer i one of the best special buildings in the game, especially if you have charm or diplomacy at a high level.

Diplomacy or Charm (even better) with undead transformer is really awesome!!! Just try it!!! At least at the begining of the game...
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Laelth
Laelth


Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
posted December 26, 2002 07:00 PM

The Undead Transformer is a carry-over structure from earlier versions of the game, and while I find it useless, I don't mind the game designers giving the Necropolis a useless structure.  Death is powerful enough as is, without any additional "useful" structures.

-Laelth

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CzlowiekWiadro
CzlowiekWiadro


Hired Hero
Windowlicker
posted December 29, 2002 09:29 PM

Think about this way...

You seem pretty sure that 1+1 = 2. Well it's not that simple.

Let's say you have 3 towns: necropolis, stronghold, haven.
They potentially gives you 15 kinds of troops. But you can't have 15 stacks in one army - my bad.You also need one or 2 places for heros... Normally, you can't concentrate all those units in one army. With Undead Transformer, you can. Don't forget that undead have many adventages such as spell and missile resistance (skeletons and bone dragons)

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