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The_Wiz
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posted December 31, 2002 03:49 PM |
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Cheaters Cheats and Bugs
Ok people, you need to learn what the definition of a cheat is...
Based on what most of you are saying, that the "empty hero" bug is not cheating, well, on that assumption, then using a no-recoil script in Counter-Strike so you can fire your weapon unloading and not lose your aim is not cheating....
Using wallhacks is not cheating cause the programmers didnt code the game good enough, and you are only taking advantage of a "bug" in the code.
Using "unlock" codes for various additional units/gold/resources is not cheating because the developers put them in the game, doesnt matter that they are called "Cheat" codes.
Usint trainers is not cheating because they too, take advantage of "bugs" in the game code, allowing you to gain an advantage
To define: Cheating is the act of gaining an advantage that your opponent cannot or will not reasonably have. For example:
Using cheat programs gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
Using the empty hero bug gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
Using the town view bug gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
Using trainers in the game gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
Using cheat codes in the game gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
Also, certain BUGS do not have to be listed as cheats, because they are, by DEFINITION, considered cheats.
Once again, ANYTHING that gives you an advantage that does not come through normal playing of the game, such as HEROES NOT HAVING A UNIT, or VIEWING A TOWN YOU DONT OWN, is a cheat. BUG OR NOT.
This is the same way in ANY game. I play alot of games, and I have yet to find a tournament where bugs are NOT considered cheats. Go look for yourself.
I used to run a HoMM2 tournament. We never stated what BUGS were cheats and what weren't. There was never a need to. BUGS are BUGS, not game options, so DONT CHEAT
I think I have stated my opinion in this matter. Feel free to flame/slam/whatever me. It wont change the facts.
One final note: If it is true that every player uses this cheat, then that would explain my losses. If this is true, I refuse to play HoMM3 against ANYONE ever again, save or hotseat. When you can see what I have, EVERYTHING I have, what use is the thieves guild? What use is it for me to NOT buy units and hold out on them, waiting for the right time to buy?
It is stupidity to say that it is not a cheat.
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted December 31, 2002 05:07 PM |
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Using the town view bug gives you an advantage that your opponent will most likely not have.
It is stupidity to say that it is not a cheat.
Most likely, your opponent will be viewing your town. I think its about 70% chance.
Itīs not stupidity, its just being stubborn, and perhaps a bit overzealous. Of course itīs a cheat.. kinda, but everyone is using it and its undetectable. You can either accept reality or chose to live in your own reality (being nuts?).
I dont cheat tho 
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The_Wiz
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 07:16 PM |
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It goes like this: I dont play games where more than 40% of the people are guaranteed to cheat. If something like 70% of the players are cheating in HoMM3, then, as much as I dislike HoMM4 right now, I will play that instead, and only play HoMM3 against people I KNOW or in HotSeat.
So what if people dont agree, or dont like it. If you cheat, you are a llama, and should not be in this league. If we cannot guarantee a cheat-free environment, I refuse to participate.
I dont care what everyone else thinks, or says, or does. It is my perogative to not play if people cheat. The tournament means nothing if it is plagued by cheaters/hackers/llamas.
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted December 31, 2002 07:22 PM |
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noob question
Other than an Andean quadriped, what's a llama?
-Laelth
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The_Wiz
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 08:33 PM |
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When used in a gaming context, a llama is someone who has nothing better to do with their time than to go get cheat programs/bugs, and then utilize them in an effort to become the "top of the ladder" for that game, at any cost.
Once that has been accomplished, the "llama" will then do anything to stay there, while at the same time ridiculing those who would attempt to usurp the position from them, claiming that they are "noobs" or that they "suck"
Granted, it is mostly used in FPS games like Quake or Counter-Strike, but it has its applications in any gaming environment.
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Dragonh8er
Hired Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 08:38 PM |
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While at the same time ridiculing those who would attempt to usurp the position from them, claiming that they are "noobs" or that they "suck"
You have just described 90% of the members here
LlOH
Dragonh8er
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bpanik2
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posted December 31, 2002 09:54 PM |
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lol wiz we been friends a long time i cant beleive what you just said about the castle view bug all the 2v2's weve played and you say that you havnt used it ehe well i will always be your friend but your calling me a cheater for using it when i know damn well you have too.its not an adv u have over other person cuse there doing same thing this is just a rediculious accusation of pples intent,and if your gonna stop playing pple who use it i guess thats me too i dont use too intentfully gain adv over no one though u know me better than that but your statemet called me to say my peice.bp
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bpanik2
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posted December 31, 2002 10:03 PM |
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lol wiz we been friends a long time i cant beleive what you just said about the castle view bug all the 2v2's weve played and you say that you havnt used it ehe well i will always be your friend but your calling me a cheater for using it when i know damn well you have too.its not an adv u have over other person cuse there doing same thing this is just a rediculious accusation of pples intent,and if your gonna stop playing pple who use it i guess thats me too i dont use too intentfully gain adv over no one though u know me better than that but your statemet called me to say my peice.bp
umm seems i have the wrong person lmao damn im old i knew WHITE WIZ wouldnt said that crap lol im so so sorry wiz as in white wiz ehe dont shot me geez im a moron.bface turns red as i leave lol.bp
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dEth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 10:17 PM |
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Unless there is a new "the_wiz" in town then I pressume the one speaking to be Vesuvius' old roomate.
Also, if using the town view bug is not to gain information then why would anyone be clicking on it? Of course it is used to try to gain advantage/additional info about a player's opponent.
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bpanik2
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posted December 31, 2002 11:04 PM |
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Unless there is a new "the_wiz" in town then I pressume the one speaking to be Vesuvius' old roomate.
Also, if using the town view bug is not to gain information then why would anyone be clicking on it? Of course it is used to try to gain advantage/additional info about a player's opponent.
ya but death what can you really gain bye using that silly bug see how much money others make catle or what and you can bet your farm there doing same its so common and its fair being how both can use it.btw have you ever used it.bp
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White_wiz
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 31, 2002 11:04 PM |
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Haha BP that funny . and yes I have used this bug.And yes grey it is a minor advantage , but i dont know many vets dont use it and see it as a bug or cheat. More as part of the game.Also theres no way to tell if someone is useing it so why not everyone use it ? I think if anyone classes this minor bug as a cheat they need to relax a bit and enjoy the game.But thats my opinion , but im sure ToH honor council never booted anyone for use of this bug.
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The_Wiz
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 11:19 PM |
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I was never Roberts roommate, and noone other than me has ever used the name "The_Wiz" in any HoMM league/tournament that has gone anywhere. I was The_Wiz in the Oracle League, I was The_Wiz in the Isle League, I was The_Wiz when the ToH first started, it is me in the "The_Wiz" picture on the pics page here, and I am "The_Wiz_Isle" in the zone.
I have known and played with Vesuvius, TRoPPo, Prometheus, Mocara, Sir Alkis, Frank, Melissa X, Beowulf, and a host more since the beginning of the Oracle League, or when they came on the scene. I am the original Wiz.
As for my comments, I have been bested by cheats for far too long to turn a blind eye to those of you who use the "bugs" to your own benefit. I have never condoned using such flaws, nor will I ever. If you see fit to use them, dont play me. It is dishonorable to utilize bugs as "game features". BUGS are just that, bugs. Things that were NEVER MEANT to be in the finished game. By utilizing the town view bug, you can gain a whole lot more than just "seeing how much gold" they have...
What are they building? Do they have their level 7 dwelling yet? Do they have a level 1 or two magic guild? What spells do they have? How many creatures are at home? How many creatures are NOT bought?
I dont know if all of that is true, as I do not use bugs, but I would assume that it is just like viewing your own town, based on what has been said in the forums.
Now, with the kind of information I can get about my own town, I can get a very good idea of what is going on with my opponent. Not to mention that, if I do this every turn, I can see what he is picking up and get a good idea of how far from his base he has gotten.
Tell me that isnt a big advantage and I will sell you a bridge in the Sahara for $1,000,000
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted December 31, 2002 11:34 PM |
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But thats my opinion , but im sure ToH honor council never booted anyone for use of this bug.
thats exactly the point: if we boot every player who uses/ever used this castle bug, who would be left to play TOH games ???
i say there wouldn't even be enough players left for a 2on2 because we hat to boot hundrets of the players - including me and the other honor council members. im guilty of using it in about 500 cases - maybe more lol
It is a bug - correct ! but its a bug which has become a part of the game for years now. whoever sais something else must open his eyes because he doesn't have a clue about what really is goin on in the Hommunity.
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bpanik2
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posted January 01, 2003 12:29 AM |
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I was never Roberts roommate, and noone other than me has ever used the name "The_Wiz" in any HoMM league/tournament that has gone anywhere. I was The_Wiz in the Oracle League, I was The_Wiz in the Isle League, I was The_Wiz when the ToH first started, it is me in the "The_Wiz" picture on the pics page here, and I am "The_Wiz_Isle" in the zone.
I have known and played with Vesuvius, TRoPPo, Prometheus, Mocara, Sir Alkis, Frank, Melissa X, Beowulf, and a host more since the beginning of the Oracle League, or when they came on the scene. I am the original Wiz.
As for my comments, I have been bested by cheats for far too long to turn a blind eye to those of you who use the "bugs" to your own benefit. I have never condoned using such flaws, nor will I ever. If you see fit to use them, dont play me. It is dishonorable to utilize bugs as "game features". BUGS are just that, bugs. Things that were NEVER MEANT to be in the finished game. By utilizing the town view bug, you can gain a whole lot more than just "seeing how much gold" they have...
What are they building? Do they have their level 7 dwelling yet? Do they have a level 1 or two magic guild? What spells do they have? How many creatures are at home? How many creatures are NOT bought?
I dont know if all of that is true, as I do not use bugs, but I would assume that it is just like viewing your own town, based on what has been said in the forums.
Now, with the kind of information I can get about my own town, I can get a very good idea of what is going on with my opponent. Not to mention that, if I do this every turn, I can see what he is picking up and get a good idea of how far from his base he has gotten.
Tell me that isnt a big advantage and I will sell you a bridge in the Sahara for $1,000,000
well sign the papers fella cuse you havnt a clue what your tlking anout this bug cannot do all that and id suggest you play some games and use it yourself your saying its a cheat, a bug not meant to be, but weve have accepted and grown use too it.and is quiet harmless unless thats all you rely on is seeing what u think opp might be doing its works more trickery toward the viewing than than it helps em lol this i guarantee.bp
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ironmlh
Known Hero
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posted January 01, 2003 02:11 AM |
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WTH
This thread is very odd, obviously coming from a player that nows very little about the current state of H3 gaming.
This bug is a well known as has been for years. It does very little to help you out and is accepted as a `PART' of the game.
Sure it helps out within the first few weeks, how many game last a few weeks...none. And once u get Exp earth or AIr along with view earth or air, which most players can get within a few weeks, the castle bug becomes a moot point..
So, in short it is not cheating to use this, all do, in all tournies. It gains you very little, so why not live with it and come play.
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted January 01, 2003 02:39 AM |
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I may be ignorant of some things here, and if I am I will probably end up regretting opening my mouth here. But I don't think you can see all of that. It's not like when you look in your own city. You just get a little square that shows you what city type they have how much money they are making each day and what troops they have garrisoned. I might be missing a few things here and there but you can't see what they have built (other then citidal, castle and city hall) or what they are building or what troops they have and have not bought, unless they leave them sitting in the garrison. At least that is my understanding of it. It's something I was shown because I had a bad habit of garrisoning my main hero with all of his troops when I was a noobie but it's not something I use much. The main thing that I am curious about is what city type they got (as I usually play all random) and I can tell that from scenario information or tavern.
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Xarfax1111
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 01, 2003 05:20 AM |
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Based on what most of you are saying, that the "empty hero" bug is not cheating,
...what a big blah. Based on what most of us are saying, it that the "empty hero" but IS CHEATING.
Someone who is definitely so far away from the Community and the games like u should just shut up, instead of trying to do a big blah..u r just making fun of yourself.
NOTE: Majority said that the above mentioned is seen as a cheat. So stop talking crap in here and go back to Counterstrike!!!
Xarfax1
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ironmlh
Known Hero
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posted January 01, 2003 08:42 AM |
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I By utilizing the town view bug, you can gain a whole lot more than just "seeing how much gold" they have...
and how would you do that. how would u see how much gold i have.
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What are they building? Do they have their level 7 dwelling yet? Do they have a level 1 or two magic guild? What spells do they have? How many creatures are at home? How many creatures are NOT bought?
what are they building...the only thing you will see is status of fort-town hall-cityhall-capitol-citadel and castle
and 5K resource build status.
after week 3 or 4 none of this matters and the neglible advantage you seem to be so pissed off about is gone.
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I dont know if all of that is true, as I do not use bugs, but I would assume that it is just like viewing your own town, based on what has been said in the forums.
Then dont post such outrageous, self righteous BS
Just live with it, and play it is not any big deal whatsoever
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted January 01, 2003 05:06 PM |
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By utilizing the town view bug, you can gain a whole lot more than just "seeing how much gold" they have...
What are they building? Do they have their level 7 dwelling yet? Do they have a level 1 or two magic guild? What spells do they have? How many creatures are at home? How many creatures are NOT bought
Hmm I think u are a bit misinformed here (or perhaps I am).
What u can see with the castle view is:
* if a player has build townhall/cityhall or capitol (There's a different way for that aswell ofcourse);
* if he/she has build citadel/castle;
* what creatures the player has in that towns garinson.
That's it.
Ofocurse it is an advantage to know these things.
But like it hads been argued here before .. it is used by 99% of the players so the benifts cancel eachtother out!@
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PsYkOtIc-Dra...
Known Hero
Master Thief
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posted January 01, 2003 06:53 PM |
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What IS this bug to see other towns anyways!??!
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