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LordPaul
Promising
Famous Hero
Crazy Bat Guy.
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posted July 02, 2001 10:23 AM |
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A good example of luck would be poker. You could get bad hands, or really good hands. It is all how you play with it. A really good poker player can still win with horrible luck in drawing cards. A bad player can loose with 4 aces.
If a player takes a risk and attacks a Griffin conservaroy and there are 180 griffins instead of the 60 he expected, he might call it bad luck and insist that he really didn't lose. But you can't blame luck for all loses, especially when you take risks.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted July 02, 2001 11:06 AM |
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What are you saying?!
Are you telling me that you and your avatar look completely different?!
OMG! I think I'm going to faint!
*faint*
oh! I mean *smile*!
What are those people in white coats doing outside my house?
And why does that truck say 'Loonie Bin' written on the side of it?
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Re-Animator
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 02, 2001 08:23 PM |
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Firstly I just want to ask Re-Animator what is wrong with MoO2? ;-) That was one of my favorite games of all times, but the multiplayer was distressingly long. One battle would be hours as I recall. I only ever managed a few games online because of this fact, but I still remember each one with bliss. If only MoO1 had been multiplayer... *sigh*
MOO2 (MoO2 = Molybdenum Oxide to me) is my third favorite game of all time (after Star Control II and HoMM3). I only managed a few games online too, but they were great. If you have or know of the location of the crack for v1.31 please let me know.
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Frank
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 03, 2001 05:15 AM |
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For the MoO lovers I just found this:
http://moo3.quicksilver.com/
Enjoy !
- Frank
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eliogabalus
Hired Hero
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posted July 03, 2001 01:08 PM |
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Sure there is luck, but skill and creativity is what decides most games I think. Just look at the top-ranked players, they don't lose very often.
Anyway we can all improve, if we want to minimize luck but still don't play chess, heroes is great that way.
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted July 04, 2001 08:55 AM |
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Great site!
Hey Frank, thanks for posting that site. I had no idea where was a MoO3 coming out, last I heard the franchise was dead, but it looks very good.
That is also the first pregame release site I have visited in as long as I can recall that gives away many good things about the game without spoiling it or setting it in stone. Very informative and well organized. Excellent- I wish those in charge of H4 would take some lessons from Quicksilver.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted July 05, 2001 08:03 AM |
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Dealers choice
Lord Paul please come to our next poker game and bring all your money.
I have been playing poker all my life and although I will admit that some skill comes into play it is mainly just a matter of doing complex math, counting cards and figuring probabilities.
But still a bad player cannot win when the guy across from him has 4 aces. No matter how bad this guy is the best he can so is fold and hold his money for the next time.
Heroes is a zero sum game. You win or you lose.
But in both games we can improve our odds of winning by being smarter.
-Mocara
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted July 05, 2001 12:05 PM |
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4 aces can lose...
Four aces can lose- three ways I know of; first they can lose to 5 aces if there is a wild card which normally in high stakes power there isn't, secondly it can lose to a royal flush, thirdly there is the bluff- sure, someone with 4 aces probably thinks they won't lose, and would bet almost everything on it, But if there is any doubt at all- like they have lost the last 6 hands when they thought to win, they coudl still lose.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted July 07, 2001 09:13 AM |
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In 24 yrs of playing poker I have still yet to see a royal straight flush.
Only once have I seen 4 aces and it was dealt to me and I almost folded because I was playing with a bunch of guys I didn't know and I thought I might get shot if I laid them down.
Everyone had power hands (no wild cards) and so at the end we had 4 guys in and the pot was full and I laid them down and took my money and nervously walked to my car.
So another way to lose with 4 aces might be to fold just to save your life.
Have you ever seen a royal straight flush Ichon?
If you did wouldn't you wonder about rather you had been cheated?
-Mocara
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2001 05:47 AM |
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Late reply
Yeah, long night at work with nothing but a computer for entertainment/learning. So all sorts or replies now that I missed before.
Well, I have actually seen Royal Straight Flush 3 times, and I only played poker 7 years or so. 2 of those time I am pretty sure it was genuine, the 3rd time I have suspicion, but since I had already folded I didn't worry overmuch except to count how many more winning hands that guy had when he or his friend dealt.
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ghostofdeath
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 19, 2001 06:20 AM |
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they should keep luck but instead of attacking twice there would be like a 15 percent chance to dodge it
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Death
Known Hero
LEGEND OF HELL
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posted July 21, 2001 12:06 PM |
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hey
I dont like luck or un-luck!!!
Sometimes makes this the combat realy not fear!!!
But I think it can stay!!!
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RUN IF YOU CAN!!!
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Darxion
Adventuring Hero
For The Honor......
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posted July 21, 2001 02:41 PM |
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Luck Is Good.......and Bad.
Luck and morale have their place in HOMM as they do in real life. I have had a battle decided in my favor with the luck or morale bonus......AND, I have had it go the other way. Some battles, no one gets any luck or morale bonus.
I think my only negative comment about luck (and more about morale) would be when a person gets double attack / higher damage more than a couple of times in a battle to the point that they win the battle without the use of true battle strategy and/or superior troops/hero. But, hey, that is the game.
May luck shine on you and your morale forever stay high! 
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Power of Might, Power of Magic!
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Death
Known Hero
LEGEND OF HELL
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posted July 21, 2001 05:48 PM |
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yes
This is the luck I hate most!!!
Yesterday I playd HOMM3 with my friend: there was a combat: I had the better creatures, the better spells and he won because he had every turn this luck!!!
But so it makes HOMM4 cooler!!!
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted July 22, 2001 06:41 AM |
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Does no one use artifacts?
I hear alot of people complain about luck or morale influencing battles. The two most common artifacts in H3 besides mana regenerators and necro artifacts are the no luck and no morale artifacts, I see them in almost every single map. Either on the map or in the black market.
Just buy those unless your hero has awesome luck or morale, then maybe still buy them so your enemy can't get them. Removes that chacny factor though I haven't seen many battles determined by luck or morale unless it's early in the game, like week one or maybe two.
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Frank
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 22, 2001 05:58 PM |
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Luck and Morale are just 2 of the most under rated elements of an HOMM fight. Think of it this way: The Pendant of Courage is exactly as if your hero has expert leadership and expert luck. So possible 10 usefull secondary skills on the same hero !!! The same way, The Still Eyes of the Dragon can be considered as basic luck and basic morale.
In all the wars I`ve fought I can tell you this, more than just statistics, if you enter a fight with better luck and morale assets, great things are bound to happen for you.
- Frank
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted July 23, 2001 10:08 AM |
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Luck&Morale
It's true that luck and morale in very large abundance can have huge outcomes on battles, but I still think largely in earlier stages of the game. I've had numerous wars when I rushed and the only reason I won was visiting faire circle and having badge of honor or some such. One lucly attack and 1 extra move week 1 or 2 is decisive. After week 2 however- it's easy for both sides to get lots of luck or morale- and for myself, I always get the no morale artifact if I can, for a minor artifact it is amazingly powerful. I don't like the morale skill in battle even for myself. You can't count on it- it's nice to get, but I like predicatbiity in my battle strategy. Luck is much more suited, I will attack wether getting it or not, and it's just an extra bonus- I especially like necro with 0 morale artifact, plus Ghost Dragons, plus undead army... -2 morale to an enemy who thought they had +6 or more. Then if I have around +3 luck... V-Lords, Death Knights, or Power Lich very nice creatires to benefit from a luck strike. More than most creatures even. However, I generally try to get ahold of both 0 luck or 0 morale with everything besides Necro. It's more predictable to eliminate morale also since many more heroes start with morale than start with luck, and if you look at skill progressions, morale much more likely for most heroes. And finally, there are more bonus + morale map locations than there is + luck locations.
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zsa
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2001 11:07 PM |
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Morale and Luck
I have seen some battles in whitch the fate of it was decided more or less by morale or luck. Don't get me wrong , morale and luck are not gonna win a battle for u but they can improve your chances of winning.
Let's say that a Castle hero has pendant of courage. Say it will fight with a Rampart force. If the Archangel get morale and after that luck , well , I must say that your chances have improved considerably , don't u think?
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Frank
Promising
Known Hero
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posted May 07, 2002 07:48 PM |
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I think that there will be a lot of other rules.
Some people are nuts on rules. Of course some rules
i understand ( to give the game less of LUCK)
This is one quote that is repeatedly formulated on this board.
Would HOMM be a better game if it had no luck at all? I think all will agree that luck factor is needed to make this game an interesting one. Think about it, if HOMM contained no luck at all, what would you blame for losing a game? 
- Frank
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Tc_Fear
Famous Hero
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posted May 08, 2002 10:06 AM |
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To Frank
ye
I remember our game and you were full on LUCK there(in crimson2).
1 thing I disagree with you.Couse HOMM cant be without luck its practicaly imposible.
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