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zordrac
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posted April 28, 2003 11:38 PM |
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I need to lose a game
Okay guys. Heroes was fun back when HOMM1 first came out because you never lost. It was so ridiculously easy (especially the Claw at 5% with 1 idiot opponent) that it just built up confidence. And then you could manipulate things to increase difficulty and get maximum scores (Dragon rating). That was good then.
But I want to play it multiplayer. And I want to lose. You ask me why I want to lose. Well, it is because I have never lost. Never come close. And I know that someone out there is going to be better than me. Even if you don't actually win, then at least come close so that I know.
I saw on H3Trio that they had these maps, and people got better scores than I did, so I know that they at least could theoretically beat me. Whether they could make that against a real life opponent is another matter. But there is someone there.
Okay, here is my reference:
HOMM1 I played from the moment it was released until the moment that HOMM2 was released. I got it from my girlfriend's Dad, and we used to visit them all the time, and spend 3 or 4 hours per day on it, every day. Until we got our own computer at our own place, and then it was 12 hours per day each.
HOMM2 we played to pretty much the same level. We played every campaign and every scenario without exception, and then went through again and did them all on Expert difficulty (yes, we do them on easy first, so that we familiarised ourselves with the map). And then we made our own maps, and downloaded extra ones. For Price of Loyalty as well.
HOMM3 wouldn't work on my computer, so I had to wait until I could afford a new one. So I was stuck playing HOMM2 when everyone else was onto HOMM3.
When I finally got HOMM3, I quickly went through a number of Scenarios on Hard difficulty, then did the campaigns, including the secret campaigns, and then went through again and did them on the hardest possible setting (Impossible). I didn't get through all of the Scenarios. Then I bought HOMM3 complete and then I got the HOMM1-3 Platinum edition, in a box set, which had extra features and so forth. Unfortunately, my sister said to me that her HOMM2 game wasn't working anymore, so I sent her the box set as a loan. And she never gave it back.
Then I got HOMM4, and I've barely played it. I have played I think 5 scenarios and 2 campaigns and that is about it. I don't like it all that much. I was all excited about getting it, but it lacks something. I am trying to get into it, but I can't. I don't have either of the expansion sets.
I have played this game to death. For me, there are no more challenges with it. Playing the game is not a challenge. It is too easy. When I played HOMM1/2 it seemed like there was a never ending supply of things to do, and I thought that I would never tire of it. But now all I strive for is that real person to play.
There aren't a lot of people here who play HOMM, so recruiting someone for hotseat isn't great.
The big problem of course is that no matter how hard I try, getting it to work online will not work.
I should also say that I have done studies and tests and comparisons on monsters, combat systems and heroes, so when I do things I am not guessing. On HOMM3 I really went overboard in this respect, with all of the comparisons, and panned out how to play each type to perfection. At least, to perfection in terms of the computer opponent.
I am sure that there are people who will be able to beat me.
If there isn't, then I might have to start challenging people that talk like they know what they are talking about, to see if they have the strength to put their money where their mouth is.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 29, 2003 12:30 AM |
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Ok now that you memorized those words how about begging for a cracker & mayhaps Blue Camel here can teach you how to get that guy you were chasing for almost a yr  .
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gorman
Promising
Legendary Hero
Been around since before 2003
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posted April 29, 2003 12:31 AM |
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U sound like a very good player!  If I had the game I'd be more then happy to play a friendly game, but I wouldn't be much of a challenge...:S
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dEth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 02:45 AM |
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You came to the right place
Playing multiplayer is a world of difference. Best of luck to you and hope you have some great times.
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted April 29, 2003 03:12 AM |
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So, what exactly is your online problem?
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zud
Promising
Famous Hero
box worshipper
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posted April 29, 2003 03:42 AM |
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This is standard
Most every one of us die hard hero fans "think" we are the unbeatable hero god before we discover online multiplayer play.
I see it daily, and thought it myself when I first dove into online play with heros when H3 was released.
You, as I and most all others do, will discover that you basically know little about the game u have enjoyed for many years and think you are the greatest at.
Multiplayer is a whole new fantastic world of heros but you will get beat and beat up some more while you learn many new techniques, strategies and methods of playing heroes all over again.
If you doubt me, get your online issues fixed and go to the MS gaming zone for H3 or to Gamespy for H4. But I am sure once u get a few games...u will know what I am talking about.
(I have played heroes since King's Bounty on my Apple IIE)
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midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 05:15 AM |
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get some practice on random maps too
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted April 29, 2003 05:23 AM |
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haha
I have been playing C&C Generals a lot recently. I played all the campaign maps at highest difficulty level, and beat all multi maps vs computer at highest diff.
Then I tried going online... and get my butt kicked constantly. I am currently 0-8, with my longest match lasting 7 minutes.
Those cutthroats only want points... lol
The heroes community is so much friendlier, really.
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted April 29, 2003 08:50 AM |
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In all fairness, I think SP players know a great deal about the game. MP players tend to take this knowledge for granted, but you can and do learn a lot about Heroes by playing SP.
Multi-player gaming, however, is another matter altogether. It's an entirely different game, really, pitting yourself against another person as opposed to a computer, and most people who have played only against the computer are in for a serious shock when they take on a live opponent.
-Laelth
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GrunanCross
Famous Hero
King of the Underdark
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posted April 29, 2003 09:00 AM |
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lol I think that most people have to under stand one thing;Find the other player(s);find a way to destroy them. When you play SP you dont have to worry 'bout that the game is set for you to win. In MP random maps mainly small,I rarely ever get a chance to build a lv7 before the game ends.I thought this to my wife a vet SPer and she turns this around and kicks my *** every time she spends a lot of time studing 'bout quick games, and the Strat. i made on 1 month to 3 week games. i think that everyone that plays SP is just as good as the MP jus needing to change the way they play, you gotta go for the kill and never let up,jus run them down. some time a never built a town hall before Mandy or Boo come charging in With Beh. or Wev. but thas how it goes, I mean one griffin con. can put the win on instantly and the 1st lvl spells are the only ones to normally be ass. with. thas about how all Mpers play jus fast and hardnever missing one small chance to better his/her standings. hoped this helped.
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zordrac
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 10:59 AM |
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So, what exactly is your online problem?
What exactly?
Uh, it has never worked.
Don't worry, no amount of tips in a forum is going to get it to work. I need someone who can sit with me and do it with me
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zordrac
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 11:16 AM |
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Most every one of us die hard hero fans "think" we are the unbeatable hero god before we discover online multiplayer play.
I see it daily, and thought it myself when I first dove into online play with heros when H3 was released.
You, as I and most all others do, will discover that you basically know little about the game u have enjoyed for many years and think you are the greatest at.
Multiplayer is a whole new fantastic world of heros but you will get beat and beat up some more while you learn many new techniques, strategies and methods of playing heroes all over again.
If you doubt me, get your online issues fixed and go to the MS gaming zone for H3 or to Gamespy for H4. But I am sure once u get a few games...u will know what I am talking about.
(I have played heroes since King's Bounty on my Apple IIE)
I am sorry to confuse you.
I never considered myself to be "the best player ever". After all, my girlfriend's father and my girlfriend's sister both got much better scores than I did on maps. I would only occasionally get Dragon/Black Dragon/ArchAngel, but they would get them every single time.
However, we played hotseat, where I was expected to lose against these experts, and I found, to my surprise, that they were no match for me. Because, you see, they were playing purely for points. All that they were aiming for was to get the maximum possible points. So they would memorise the map, and how to move precisely this many places in this direction, and so forth, whilst not really enjoying the game (those two were really cut-throat with each other). My girlfriend and I just played it for fun. My aim was simply to win each map, and to explore them and to have fun with them. I never studied the maps to see what they were like. I thought that that ruined the enjoyment of them. On many occasions, I'd just play them on Easy first time around, or on Hard at worst. I very rarely played on Impossible. Of course, just to prove that I could win on Impossible, I would do it.
The computer, quite frankly, isn't being very smart. I find that there is no challenge in it. Even with all of its bonuses, it still doesn't "think". I feel like strangling that computer sometimes. There I was playing with it with me and my Castle hero and it with its Necromancer hero, and yet for some bizarre reason it only had 300 skeletons when we met. And yet, if I'd done it then I would have had 5,000. Also, you'd get a level 25 Warlock who wouldn't cast Implosion. *EVER*. You'd get a player with Black Dragons, who are immune to all magic, up against me with 20 times the troops, and he is not casting Armageddon. WTF?
I would much prefer to play against a real person. And no, I don't expect to win at all. I am quite sure that there are plenty of players who would beat me. I know from playing other games online that I could whip the computer and be better than all of my friends but not even compete online. Sometimes I'd play with friends and set up special games so it'd just be me and them.
However, you must understand that there would be very few people who have played it as much as I have, and over such a length of time. I have sat down and studied every unit, every ability, and compared the lot of them in theoretical situations. I know which creature goes well against which, and in which situation. The whole thing is like second nature. And I know that the whole "Lizardmen vs Marksmen" thing is nonsense, because I tried it myself.
I pitted every level 1 creature vs every level 1 creature. Every level 1 upgrade vs every level 1 upgrade, and so forth, all the way. And I ranked them. I ranked them in 2 ways. Firstly, by $ cost for the troop (I didn't count the cost of the dwellings), and secondly by weekly amount of troops that would be available (which would be in games when money is no object). And then I did overall studies on castles. I knew that some castles favoured lower level creatures, and some castles favoured higher level creatures. And then I also did studies on special abilities. And I did all of that.
And you get me in to a real game online, and I'd be able to do it all with a real person. Quite frankly, the greatest fear for me is that people would lose to me. That would ruin it all to me. If I went out there and won every game by miles, then I would be terribly disappointing. At the very least, be competitive, please. The thing that I fear, when I hear people who are supposedly "experts", refusing to give advice to others, and calling them n00bs, is that they really are the best players out there. Because people who carry on like that are very unlikely to have any clue how to play the game at all. I had been told that online players were not terribly good, and I fear this. Let us hope that this is not true. I do not at all fear losing. I think that that would be great. But I don't really want to have to play worse just to lose a game. I want you guys to be able to beat me when I am playing at my best. And I don't want to have to pick a bad castle type or anything like that.
Of course, I could play HOMM4, and then I'd lose for sure .
The "online problems" that I have can't be fixed up.
It is not a matter of me tweaking something and getting it working. If nobody is willing to sit with me and work it out, then it will never be fixed.
As far as I knew, Heroes of Might and Magic could not be played online. Because I have spent 100's of hours (literally) trying to get the thing to work with no success.
If you are someone who knows that it actually works online, and have actually played it online, and are prepared to sit with me, on ICQ perhaps, and work it out for me, then I would be forever grateful.
But anyone who is going to call me, with 7 years experience of the game, and thousands, and tens of thousands of hours experience as a n00b, is going to get a thumping.
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GrunanCross
Famous Hero
King of the Underdark
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posted April 29, 2003 11:25 AM |
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Quote:
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Most every one of us die hard hero fans "think" we are the unbeatable hero god before we discover online multiplayer play.
I see it daily, and thought it myself when I first dove into online play with heros when H3 was released.
You, as I and most all others do, will discover that you basically know little about the game u have enjoyed for many years and think you are the greatest at.
Multiplayer is a whole new fantastic world of heros but you will get beat and beat up some more while you learn many new techniques, strategies and methods of playing heroes all over again.
If you doubt me, get your online issues fixed and go to the MS gaming zone for H3 or to Gamespy for H4. But I am sure once u get a few games...u will know what I am talking about.
dude that crap they say 'bout being no good till you play mp is load of BS and its what they say to all nOOb here,but funny enough when you beat the crap outta' a lot of people you are still no good! lol I have never play MP online,but ive played alot of mps games against my wife and others i think that the lvl of game play can only be better if you play better people and i think that i play the best around, i know all the tricks and ways of speed ,read all the mp srtats. I am still thinking that in the end that non onliners can be good very good cause how would they know how we play,but we know how they play
(I have played heroes since King's Bounty on my Apple IIE)
I am sorry to confuse you.
I never considered myself to be "the best player ever". After all, my girlfriend's father and my girlfriend's sister both got much better scores than I did on maps. I would only occasionally get Dragon/Black Dragon/ArchAngel, but they would get them every single time.
However, we played hotseat, where I was expected to lose against these experts, and I found, to my surprise, that they were no match for me. Because, you see, they were playing purely for points. All that they were aiming for was to get the maximum possible points. So they would memorise the map, and how to move precisely this many places in this direction, and so forth, whilst not really enjoying the game (those two were really cut-throat with each other). My girlfriend and I just played it for fun. My aim was simply to win each map, and to explore them and to have fun with them. I never studied the maps to see what they were like. I thought that that ruined the enjoyment of them. On many occasions, I'd just play them on Easy first time around, or on Hard at worst. I very rarely played on Impossible. Of course, just to prove that I could win on Impossible, I would do it.
The computer, quite frankly, isn't being very smart. I find that there is no challenge in it. Even with all of its bonuses, it still doesn't "think". I feel like strangling that computer sometimes. There I was playing with it with me and my Castle hero and it with its Necromancer hero, and yet for some bizarre reason it only had 300 skeletons when we met. And yet, if I'd done it then I would have had 5,000. Also, you'd get a level 25 Warlock who wouldn't cast Implosion. *EVER*. You'd get a player with Black Dragons, who are immune to all magic, up against me with 20 times the troops, and he is not casting Armageddon. WTF?
I would much prefer to play against a real person. And no, I don't expect to win at all. I am quite sure that there are plenty of players who would beat me. I know from playing other games online that I could whip the computer and be better than all of my friends but not even compete online. Sometimes I'd play with friends and set up special games so it'd just be me and them.
However, you must understand that there would be very few people who have played it as much as I have, and over such a length of time. I have sat down and studied every unit, every ability, and compared the lot of them in theoretical situations. I know which creature goes well against which, and in which situation. The whole thing is like second nature. And I know that the whole "Lizardmen vs Marksmen" thing is nonsense, because I tried it myself.
I pitted every level 1 creature vs every level 1 creature. Every level 1 upgrade vs every level 1 upgrade, and so forth, all the way. And I ranked them. I ranked them in 2 ways. Firstly, by $ cost for the troop (I didn't count the cost of the dwellings), and secondly by weekly amount of troops that would be available (which would be in games when money is no object). And then I did overall studies on castles. I knew that some castles favoured lower level creatures, and some castles favoured higher level creatures. And then I also did studies on special abilities. And I did all of that.
And you get me in to a real game online, and I'd be able to do it all with a real person. Quite frankly, the greatest fear for me is that people would lose to me. That would ruin it all to me. If I went out there and won every game by miles, then I would be terribly disappointing. At the very least, be competitive, please. The thing that I fear, when I hear people who are supposedly "experts", refusing to give advice to others, and calling them n00bs, is that they really are the best players out there. Because people who carry on like that are very unlikely to have any clue how to play the game at all. I had been told that online players were not terribly good, and I fear this. Let us hope that this is not true. I do not at all fear losing. I think that that would be great. But I don't really want to have to play worse just to lose a game. I want you guys to be able to beat me when I am playing at my best. And I don't want to have to pick a bad castle type or anything like that.
Of course, I could play HOMM4, and then I'd lose for sure .
The "online problems" that I have can't be fixed up.
It is not a matter of me tweaking something and getting it working. If nobody is willing to sit with me and work it out, then it will never be fixed.
As far as I knew, Heroes of Might and Magic could not be played online. Because I have spent 100's of hours (literally) trying to get the thing to work with no success.
If you are someone who knows that it actually works online, and have actually played it online, and are prepared to sit with me, on ICQ perhaps, and work it out for me, then I would be forever grateful.
But anyone who is going to call me, with 7 years experience of the game, and thousands, and tens of thousands of hours experience as a n00b, is going to get a thumping.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted April 29, 2003 11:33 AM |
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Do you happen to have a firewall? That might be the case. If you do, you won't be able to host games. Just join. And still there might be some problems, like the game shutting down and stuff (as is the case with my HoMM2(didn't try HoMM3 online yet)).
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GrunanCross
Famous Hero
King of the Underdark
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posted April 29, 2003 11:39 AM |
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Do you happen to have a firewall? That might be the case. If you do, you won't be able to host games. Just join. And still there might be some problems, like the game shutting down and stuff (as is the case with my HoMM2(didn't try HoMM3 online yet)).
that sound like it could be the prob...also try you icp..or make sure you speed is set like the rest...hell i could be a million thins dowg!
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haile73
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 29, 2003 11:40 AM |
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no problem.
go to http://zone.msn.com/heroes/
you should be at least able to setup a .net account and install zone files. Just follow the directions, depending on your connection speed it might take some time. When it's done, enter Heroes lobby. Ask ppl in chat for help. If it doesn't work, I'm reachable via ICQ (forgot my number, maybe you can find it in my profile here). I should be available in the evenings (central european time).
As for being afraid of beating everyone online, don't worry too much. Even if you are a master of the game, against equally skilled players luck often decides the outcome, so you'll get a loss every now and then.
There's no reason why you shouldn't become a good online player in short time, a guy called wiggy_wam started out like you and made it. Numbercrunching isn't the most important thing though. Playing the map effectively is much more crucial. But you will find out yourself.
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GrunanCross
Famous Hero
King of the Underdark
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posted April 29, 2003 11:48 AM |
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no problem.
go to http://zone.msn.com/heroes/
you should be at least able to setup a .net account and install zone files. Just follow the directions, depending on your connection speed it might take some time. When it's done, enter Heroes lobby. Ask ppl in chat for help. If it doesn't work, I'm reachable via ICQ (forgot my number, maybe you can find it in my profile here). I should be available in the evenings (central european time).
As for being afraid of beating everyone online, don't worry too much. Even if you are a master of the game, against equally skilled players luck often decides the outcome, so you'll get a loss every now and then.
There's no reason why you shouldn't become a good online player in short time, a guy called wiggy_wam started out like you and made it. Numbercrunching isn't the most
important thing though. Playing the map effectively is much more crucial. But you will find out yourself.
That sound a hell of a lot better than just saying BS.BS.BS.BS... X, prolly cant play anyhow bs this bs that never gave no real srtat thanks
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CraigHack
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Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted April 29, 2003 05:35 PM |
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You could not possibly believe how many times we have seen a Noob come here to tell us how good he/she is
Here are the facts:
1. Single-players often know more about the game than good Multi-players.
2. Good Multi-players ALWAYS know more about beating other humans than Single-players.
3. Good Single-players MAY become good Multi-players if they
play other good Multi-players and are willing to learn.
4. REALLY GOOD Multi-players dont give a ratz @ss about high scores and may have never seen a Black Dragon or Archangel on the score sheet.
5. A REALLY GOOD Single-player is normally considered an automatic free game for a good Multi-player.
....And thats the way it is.
Welcome aboard, and good luck!
Fix yer damn game! Thousands of others have made it work!!
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted April 29, 2003 06:24 PM |
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Remember to download them patch thingies.
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midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 30, 2003 03:22 AM |
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Do you happen to have a firewall? That might be the case. If you do, you won't be able to host games. Just join. And still there might be some problems, like the game shutting down and stuff (as is the case with my HoMM2(didn't try HoMM3 online yet)).
i've Zone Alarm firewall www.zonealarm.com, and the default settings stop you from staying in a game longer than about 30 seconds.
To fix it do this:
There are 2 sliding bars that determine high/med/low security. Make sure both of these are medium, then u can host & join games and play as long as u like.
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