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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Building capitol first or dwellings ??
Thread: Building capitol first or dwellings ?? This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · «PREV
lord_crusader
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posted May 06, 2003 02:59 PM

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And one more question.. (I don't want to start another subject)

I have read few topic about heroes, strategies, etc. and noticed that some people prefer other heroes than Solmyr when playing Tower, and Jeddite or Alamar when playing Dungeon.. When I play "heromatches" with friends we always take those heroes (if we win this castle in our "pre-game lottery" ) :-) Why ?? Resurrection or Chain Lighting is very useful.. especialy if we have 1-month armies in a final battles..


That is because the other heroes specialities are more useful than chainligthing or resurrect... why??

simply, If you choose gunnar you gain a extra move per day with the main hero, and when you come to the level 5 - 6 maybe you can be expert in logistics and with the speciality , well I don't need to say what you can do... and with the resurecction's heroes you can cast one or two times in the first weeks in a battle... but the problem is that you need to be advanced earth to keep the resurrect army after the battle... and about tower, you only can cast chainligthing 2 or 3 times in the beggining of the game, also you need 4 stacks in the enemy army without this, you are unable to cast it without lose your own army, I prefear the hero expert in armored... this can be more useful than solmyr
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Lord_Woock
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posted May 06, 2003 06:27 PM

Sure, Solmyr is useful to have - but not as main. More like a scholar.
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Zbyhoo
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posted May 06, 2003 07:23 PM

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... and about tower, you only can cast chainligthing 2 or 3 times in the beggining of the game, also you need 4 stacks in the enemy army without this, you are unable to cast it without lose your own army, I prefear the hero expert in armored... this can be more useful than solmyr


Yes, but you can push forward one or two master goblins - so the chain lighting will kill only 1-2 of them. Or you can move forward golems - at the start they will probably survive the last (fourth) lighting..


And about resurrection - with this spell Jeddite can fight with almost everything on the map - 3 red dragon and a small tournee around the map picking all goods..


Well.. at least that was my recent tactic - but now, when I play more agressively there might be better heroes for my purpose :-))

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Lord_Woock
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posted May 06, 2003 09:24 PM

Interesting thing, that although iron golems are made of iron, they take less damage from lightning spells than stone golems.
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lord_crusader
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posted May 06, 2003 10:29 PM

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Yes, but you can push forward one or two master goblins - so the chain lighting will kill only 1-2 of them. Or you can move forward golems - at the start they will probably survive the last (fourth) lighting..


And about resurrection - with this spell Jeddite can fight with almost everything on the map - 3 red dragon and a small tournee around the map picking all goods..


Well.. at least that was my recent tactic - but now, when I play more agressively there might be better heroes for my purpose :-))


Well, this most be a good tactic in a final battle or something like this, but we all know that the beggining of the game and crush all neutral dwellings and naga banks or all this thing that gives you money and experience is the most important thing in this game and when you attack this things the posiblity to cast chainlighting is more mmmm imposible... and the mines usually are protected for one or two stacks... and the resurrection, well I don't need to repeat the same thing again... but If you want a hero who his magic speciality is very good I must say Thant the necro hero, this speciallity really rocks because he can cast more times his spell and the most importan thing, the troops still there after the battle... you don't need advanced earth and the spell point cost is very low , and with necromancy... well this is a very helpful combination
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Zbyhoo
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posted May 07, 2003 03:03 AM

It's me again..

uh oh.. one more thing..

Hope you guys are talking about standard random maps ? I mean with default template  - not TOH games nor modified templates.. And we're talking about random with monsters strong - when usually it's difficult to fight large forces without losing some troops..

Just to be sure..

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Lews_Therin
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posted May 07, 2003 03:20 AM

Resurrection is certainly a very strong spell against the map, which makes Jeddite quite a good hero on randoms. Not anywhere as good as Gunnar, but still clearly above average.

Solmyr is weaker ... but I disagree with those many who say that he cannot be a good choice to be main hero. When I don´t get offered anything really good, I rather build up Solmyr than just a might hero with nothing special. Chain Lightning IS a good spell, it can be useful against shooters, and if heroes meet early, sometimes it just wins the game.

On the other hand, in a longer game where high level mage guilds are built, Solmyr runs the danger of becoming just a magic hero who starts with one useless secondary skill.
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AndiAngelsla...
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posted May 07, 2003 03:33 AM

Well theres many reasons why Solmyr sux on a Rdm - on a fixed map can be different story.
First of all hes a wizard, which is about the most horrible Mage class you can get...knowledge offered most of the times, power is by far better for a magic hero to get.
Than Chain is only useful in some situations, you can forget it in most Banks and Topias for example.
Than on a rdm why the hell would i pick a magic hero if there aint wells anywhere? think about it...

Back to topic, man you cant say town hall is good or bad on that day lol...depends on situation, Rampart and Stronghold i build it quiet often early on Rdm.
Its just a useless noob question, everyone has to find out himself an get a feeling for when its good to build it and when not.

Btw: playing with DD is a waste of time, so if anyone comes up with thats the magic heroes strenght: go back playing the comp ya noob

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Zbyhoo
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posted May 07, 2003 03:34 AM

I played a lot of maps recently as Dungeon.. Most of them as hot seat 4 players (to be not interrupted by computer - just wanted to try this new rush strategy).

Most of you guys prefer Gunnar for logistic (and Shakti as alternative). Although Gunnar is really good, I found that it's much easier for me to start with Shakti. Especially that every battle I loose 1-7 of troggies - he has more troglodytes and they're faster and stronger. So I can pickup another goods without need to buy some more troops. It counts in a future, when I want to buy dragons in 2nd week. 500 gold from village isn't much... and I often cannot afford to buy Dragons Cave. I usually can't find so much treasures as I would like to

But on the other hand.. Gunnar is fantastic !! I just don't know how can I play him so agressively without loosing troops.. It may appear that it's not much - 2-8 trogs (sometimes 1 harpy), but after few battles my forces are weaker and I'm losing pace..

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Lews_Therin
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posted May 07, 2003 07:05 AM

Hello Andi,

you´re right that Wizards suck, but still - sometimes a random "smells" like the opponent has his starting town near you. Both players starting with surface castles, a road to an area that looks like his native one ...

If you are able to attack before the end of week 2 then, Solmyr´s Chain Lightning alone can decide the game. And until the end of week 2, armies are relatively small, and Spell Power/Knowledge can very well be the best thing that Solmyr could have gained.
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GrunanCross
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posted May 07, 2003 07:40 AM

lol chain-lighting toss sol bigger toss.......lol chain-lighting is the worst spell in the game....just break up you lvl 1s lol
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notmytohhandle
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posted May 07, 2003 10:22 AM

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lol chain-lighting toss sol bigger toss.......lol chain-lighting is the worst spell in the game....just break up you lvl 1s lol



hmm why dont u try to learn the game b4 u post replies that u heard someone say on zone or whateva.. sure soly sucks every1 knows that but as lews points out in certain situation hes great..

/Archie the noob..

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zilonite
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posted May 07, 2003 01:58 PM

magical elephants

I'm on Lews side on this.

On medium 1 lvl random maps...
Meeting will be at the latest in the beggining of week 3 - hmmm, dudes, what u can offer against solly with some shooter stacks (150+ grems and mages) and chain with first strike damage about 400? And if playing with hit and run allowed, well...

I would even go further and risk to get flamed by Andi as a noob, but on medium maps i will gladly play with Deemer and his meteor shower. And don't tell me about mass haste and crash boom bang On day 14 u sometimes wouldn't get exp magic school even with magic heroes, not to talk about might ones.

However if this sounds like noobs talk we can try it out - then its great bunch of easy points for u

On big maps...
In general, thats obvious - magic sux.
But anyway, i agree with Lews that not always taking some bad might hero is better than Solly, Jeddit or even poor Deemer. Those magic dudes can work well in templates with a single rich treasury area (like BlockBuster). With magic dudes good player may have a smashing start and get missing might skills from good arties, which he will be able to get much earlier than might heroes.

P.S. Did anybody noticed, how we softly shifted from innitial discussion in the thread?
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Zbyhoo
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posted May 07, 2003 03:31 PM

;-)

Well.. we didn't change the subject so much, because we're still talking about starting map - no matter if it's about buildings, heroes or overall starting strategy

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Lord_Woock
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posted May 07, 2003 05:13 PM

Yah, we might end up exchanging some cheap B "romantic" story with HoMM3 in it . After all, it's still HoMM, isn't it?


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GrunanCross
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posted May 08, 2003 11:25 AM

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lol chain-lighting toss sol bigger toss.......lol chain-lighting is the worst spell in the game....just break up you lvl 1s lol



hmm why dont u try to learn the game b4 u post replies that u heard someone say on zone or whateva.. sure soly sucks every1 knows that but as lews points out in certain situation hes great..

/Archie the noob..




bahhhhh...what a nOOb...to say that really show me you lack skill....besides i've never beed on zone...in the "zone" yes on the zone....no  i just think imo that soly is no good past day 2 and if you break lvl1 apart..he is no good to fight humans at any lvl...sorry to be so harsh it just my op...res is good ,but chain-lighting come on any damage spell is only good for the AI and be from the MP TOH u should know that...if you dont mayhaps somemore games with real players...
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Lord_Woock
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posted May 08, 2003 11:34 AM

Calling the best random map player a n00b is a toss .
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posted May 08, 2003 11:40 AM
Edited By: kuma on 8 May 2003

One more flame, or even a spark of any one and u will find an intersting message when u try to post here.

Closing this thread. Behave plz.



Case Closed.

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