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B0rsuk
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posted November 10, 2004 12:23 PM |
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Scary H5 poll results
From Celestial Heavens:
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Last week's poll was a no-brainer. Most of the readers would prefer a strong single-player game to a solid multiplayer game. However, we all know that combining both aspects of gameplay is possible, Ubisoft might very well end up pleasing both the singleplay and multiplay crowds.
Question: Heroes V should focus mostly on..
Single player(ai, story):82.3%
Multiplayer(balance, internet):17.7%
not counted: 0.1%
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Why do I call these results scary ? Because with results such as these, UbiSoft may easily decide it hardly matters to balance the game ! From money point of view it would be justified, I think. I wouldn't suspect such results. It turns out that most players are more interested in story and shiny graphics than actual strategy aspect of the game...(more specifically, fighting intelligent opponents) I know not everyone may have internet, but If there were many hotseat players the results would be different.
What do you think about these results ? Is multiplayer aspect doomed ?
I doubt mods like Equilibris may gain enough popularity to make up for that. They are played mostly by hardcore players, and there aren't many.
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mvassilev
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posted November 10, 2004 01:37 PM |
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Why do I call these results scary ? Because with results such as these, UbiSoft may easily decide it hardly matters to balance the game !
Good! The more ways there are to exploit unfair advantages in H5, the better. I never played multiplayer, and never will. I don't care about multiplayer and balance. In H5, I would just like to see a good story, and a lot of everything. Nothing else matters.
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rychenroller
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posted November 10, 2004 02:30 PM |
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No respect to the above ignorant post. Personally, multi is the only reason I'm here...I'm not gonna talk to other peeps around the world about a game I only play single player. Balance it with a good RMG and I'm in.
Multiplayer is EVERYTHING, all else is boring
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Sir_Stiven
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posted November 10, 2004 02:46 PM |
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well put rychenmultiplayerroller.
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vladpopescu79
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posted November 10, 2004 08:03 PM |
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I cannot agree to radical multiplayers or monoplayers who can't accept other than their personal opinions. I won't even state my preference, because it's not important.
From my experience, except for H2, the game was pretty well balanced. I think it is easier to keep the balance than to bring on creative ideas and shiny new things.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted November 10, 2004 08:10 PM |
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From my experience, except for H2, the game was pretty well balanced.
Wasn't H2 balanced? You had two town for different kinds of players, that's all. Barbarian and Knight towns for those who like to rush, Sorceress and Necromancer towns for those who lik to take their time, but not spend all their life on the game, and Wizard and Warlock towns for those who like to really take their time.
Nothing unbalanced about that?
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gerdash
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posted November 10, 2004 09:01 PM |
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maybe most people don't have enough time to play multi, just like i don't have time to visit this forum lately.
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B0rsuk
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posted November 11, 2004 10:17 AM |
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Good story doesn't have much to do with game designers. If the game has good edit tools, fans can do wonders. On the other hand, you are pretty much stuck with initial balance. Homm world isn't as friendly to modders as most FPS games are. Hardly anyone plays vanilla Half-Life.
About H2: I wouldn't call Barb/Knight just rushers. It's a long-time investment, really. Especially when compared to Sorceress. The gap between Sorc and any might class grows larger and larger. It's not theorycraft, it's lots of MP games played as Sorceress.
Sorc may have fairly good army, but it hardly matters because the hero is very poor. I mean, with 20 attack barbarian or 20 spell power warlock at least you get something with levels. (Althrough the warlock gets less and less significant as the armies become larger, you should use spells whose effectiveness depends on target size: such like bless, bloodlust, berserker, stoneskin or was it still protection...)
I mean warrior heroes get powerful army buff, and what can you do with 20 Knowledge ? Knowledge your opponent into oblivion ? You won't spend half of it in a battle anyway. The only use I can think of is IF you get Dimension Door. Forced navigation skill also sucks. It's not like there's anything preventing casting ANY hero Blind spells, anyway... You don't even need wisdom skill.
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Lord_Woock
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posted November 11, 2004 11:32 AM |
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It's not like you had to choose a Sorceress for your main. Sheesh.
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Armageddonic...
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posted November 11, 2004 02:06 PM |
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Of corse people have different opinions, I respect that. If Ubisoft would have to satisfy everyone, they would have to make at least hundred games.
But, here's my opinion (and I don't say everybody else's opinion is stupid):
I would like them to conentrate the most on hotseat. That's it.
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Angelspit
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posted November 11, 2004 03:24 PM |
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Such results had to be expected for two reasons:
1) More people play against a computer opponent, either alone or on a hot seat, than against a human opponent.
2) More than ever, players are concerned about the artificial intelligence in the game because of Heroes IV.
As I said in the article, Ubisoft might very well provide a game that is suitable for both singleplay and multiplay. Anyway, I doubt they would make drastic changes to their plans about single/multiplay at this point.
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JagoBC
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posted November 11, 2004 07:02 PM |
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Wasn't Heroes mainly developed as a strategy arm to the M&M series? Personally, my one complaint about downloading amateur maps is that people seem to feel compelled to amaze you with their clever storytelling. And more often than not the scenarios they devise to do this require players to proceed in a single, pre-ordained route which takes away the most important component of the game: the requirement that the player devise his own strategy. So I would instinctively want to vote for more attention to multiplayer ability...
But H4 AI was the absolute worst. I SO missed the ability in the editor to make some AI colors "Builders" and others more aggressive (from HOMM3). In H4 the AI always played the same no matter what. My great hope is that Equilibris fixes that (if you've looked at any of my other posts you can conclude that Equilibris has reawakened my waning enthusiasm for this game).
So because of the poor AI in H4, in the end I would have to vote for a better singleplayer game in H5, but that has nothing to do with wanting fancy graphics (tho I do want and expect that, of course) or more intricate stories (GOD FORBID!). I want an AI that will test my ability to strategize in different situations. People looking for RPGs with elaborate story arches and strictly linear, pre-ordained progress should look into a little series called "Final Fantasy".
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rychenroller
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posted November 12, 2004 12:54 PM |
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A good AI isnt essential, in multiplayer its all about beating your opponent. That also measn beating your opponent all over the map. Once you learn what it does it becomes an even battlefield and the better player will win regardless. A good AI would be nice, but as long as I'm playing another HUMAN, I dont really care.
I wasnt turned off by the heroes 4 AI, but the game itself, the demands on internet connection, the snowty interface, the fact that winds of war was never released in Australia, blah blah could go on and on.
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mvassilev
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posted November 12, 2004 01:59 PM |
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b] Hardly anyone plays vanilla Half-Life.
I do. It's better than any of the mods and expansions to it.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted November 12, 2004 02:48 PM |
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another thing that comes to mind as noone as brought up yet, the poll took place as cel. heavens. And for being straight, how many good multiplayer players do they have there?
exactly.
CH is a n00b place for singleplayers who spends all days talking stories behind the stories instead of tactics behind the tactics 
to put it easy, if same poll had taken place on TOH section here with only TOH:ers allowed to vote the vote would gone in the completely different way.
A poll can give you just about exactly the result you want, just make sure to ask the right people.
Its like if you ask wealthy cheap people if they are to contribute money to poor people, and then ask the same question to the poor people if they think they should have money donated to them. Its quite easy to guess the results there aswell now isnt it?
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gerdash
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posted November 12, 2004 07:35 PM |
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Personally, my one complaint about downloading amateur maps is that people seem to feel compelled to amaze you with their clever storytelling. And more often than not the scenarios they devise to do this require players to proceed in a single, pre-ordained route which takes away the most important component of the game: the requirement that the player devise his own strategy.
my guess: if the official maps are boring, most amateur maps try to copy the boredom. thinking further is frowned upon -- this seems to be the way of the society.
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Angelspit
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posted November 12, 2004 10:22 PM |
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Some people blame the net code for the lack of activity on the MP scene, but they also blame players who switch to singleplay (with story or non-story maps) and enjoy it. Heroes IV in its current state is little more than a glorified adventure game, and mapmakers have done wonders to more or less hide that fact.
Fabrice has never really been active at the HC, but visits the Round Table on a regular basis. Does that make him a noob as well?
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Mitzah
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posted November 12, 2004 10:46 PM |
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Too bad that he doesn't... There are LOTS of people on this forum(about 3500)...more than The Round Table
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Asmodean
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posted November 12, 2004 10:53 PM |
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Too bad that he doesn't... There are LOTS of people on this forum(about 3500)...more than The Round Table
Ah but how many are ACTIVE?
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mitzah
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posted November 12, 2004 11:05 PM |
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