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Serbian deeds?
I have had some interests of looking the reality that was deluded by some articles before simply made me stressed and i could not stand this.
Many times the 'Reality' expressed by some members here was just a lie to tell their personal appeals and therefore permitting extremism to subjetcs that both morally and generally are not the same.
The main subject Before was Kosovo where Serbs shown umages and printings to propagate their 'Lies' throughout their interests.
Firstly,the Kosvo territory neverbelonged to Serbia and that means never.Simply think if i go to the past those belonged to Thracs and Ilyrians and slavs came after them.The illyrians were nearly as brothers to Illyrians.Here the lands of Illyria and thracia. http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~klio/maps/rr/colonies.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IllyriaPreRome.jpg
Anyway,the sourced evidence to the facts.Now to the albanian lands vefore 1878 where the Berlin congress took place and where our lands suffered from occupation.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5937/albanianvilayetmapjw4.jpg
As you will see from there,you will see the reality.
But that is not just everything,at 1913 the serbs attacked our lands again.Why?Easily,after declaration of independence of Albania at 1912 at 28 november they did not recongise it and did ethnic cleansing like in Bosnia andsimply to to take lands but praise the serbs that started the first WW1 because they killed Franc Ferdinand and Austria disrupted their campaign of occupation.
And in WW2 to all my Jewish friends we helped you to hide from the holocaust of german-nazis .
There was little history of anti-Semitism in Albania between the local Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Most of the Albanian population was not hostile toward the Jews and helped to hide them during the war, especially when Italy and Germany occupied the country.
Source taken from http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/albania.html
And to anti-paladin you should have visited once jerusalem to know for what I am talking about.
And about the the Killings in Bosnia and Hercegovina Source take from wikipedia see
"the policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing as implemented by Serb forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 1992 and 1995 with the direct support of Serbian regime of Slobodan Milošević and its followers ultimately led to the displacement of more than 2,000,000 people, an estimated 200,000 killed, tens of thousands raped or otherwise tortured and abused, and the innocent civilians of Sarajevo and other urban centers repeatedly subjected to shelling and sniper attacks; meet the terms defining the crime of genocide in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, created in Paris on December 9, 1948, and entered into force on January 12, 1951.
Yes,my friends the true story.
Why did they kill Bosnians?Because they were muslims and serbs were orthodox.
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posted January 26, 2008 05:22 PM |
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I think the current system works fine. No independence though, that would start a civil war.
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posted January 26, 2008 05:26 PM |
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I think the current system works fine. No independence though, that would start a civil war.
There were protests in march 2004 that was a ravagery against serbs in Kosovo.What do you think will happen if this goes so?The people wanted to express their feelings of lost family members to serbs by that.
Anyway 90% in Kosovo are kosovars-Albanians so why no independence?Anyway it is expected that indepence in going to happen in Febuary this year.
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posted January 26, 2008 05:38 PM |
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There were protests in march 2004 that was a ravagery against serbs in Kosovo.
This is the reason independence wouldn't work. The Serbian minority would suffer greatly.
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posted January 26, 2008 06:23 PM |
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its nice to have hearing the second side,in your profile it is statet your from kosovo,and you state against serb policy,so i deduct that you are albanian.
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And to anti-paladin you should have visited once jerusalem to know for what I am talking about.
What makes you say i havent?
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posted January 27, 2008 12:51 AM |
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Sigh.
I thought you said (twice already) that you're going to stop posting in the other side.
Never mind.
First off, make up your mind on whether you're Austrian, Croatian or Albanian. For starters.
Second, using hate speech and the word "truth" in the same sentence is a pretty peculiar choice of words.
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The main subject Before was Kosovo where Serbs shown umages and printings to propagate their 'Lies' throughout their interests.
Sure. It's all actually a huge global Serb conspiracy. Hitler was actually a Serb, just like Stalin, Bin Laden, Dracula, Sauron and Darth Vader.
Oh, and Voldemort.
I'm sort of tired now, so I'm going to bed.
We already have a few threads concerning the situation in the Balkans. If this ridiculous breach of CoC isn't deleted or locked by a moderator until tomorrow (like the "Islam in Europe" thread), I'll probably post a reply. As it is now, I neither have strength nor see the purpose in doing that.
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posted January 27, 2008 01:31 AM |
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well this seems its accepted,you can make threads about serbians,nazis,WW 2,fragile things though.but i made about islam,the problem with immigrant and now is closed,nice...great job moderator,keep going. 
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posted January 27, 2008 10:29 AM |
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there is differnce gallow..
one thing is to discuss peacefully. but spreading hate is not aloud.
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posted January 27, 2008 02:44 PM |
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Warning to Gallow. Keep going like this, and your floodprotection will raise....
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posted January 27, 2008 04:28 PM |
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Right.
Since this thread is judged as completely fair, rational, hate-free and politically correct, I can respond to it.
So again, sentence by sentence.
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Firstly,the Kosvo territory neverbelonged to Serbia and that means never.Simply think if i go to the past those belonged to Thracs and Ilyrians and slavs came after them.The illyrians were nearly as brothers to Illyrians.Here the lands of Illyria and thracia.
We've been through this. By your logic, for example, Irish people (as descendants from Celts) should own entire France, Britain, North Italy and other regions where ancient Celts lived. But you don't see them running around burning French churches and expelling North Italians.
I remind you that it was the Romans who conquered the Illyrians. Not Slavs. Slavs came there much later, and inhabited those lands - Serbs went to what was from then known as Serbia, and the Eastern Roman Empire granted them sovereignty later. Illyric people were completely merged with the Roman people by that time.
And there's very little to no proof that Albanians are descended from Illyrians.
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Anyway,the sourced evidence to the facts.Now to the albanian lands vefore 1878 where the Berlin congress took place and where our lands suffered from occupation.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5937/albanianvilayetmapjw4.jpg
On that picture, unless I'm mistaken, is the administrative map of the Balkans under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. So those weren't Albanian lands but mere Ottoman (Turkish) provinces - the Turks divided the lands how it was most useful to them. So that certainly isn't any historic proof.
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As you will see from there,you will see the reality.
Yes, the reality of the administrative borders of Ottoman vilayets 200 years ago  How applicable is that to the reality of today?
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But that is not just everything,at 1913 the serbs attacked our lands again.Why?Easily,after declaration of independence of Albania at 1912 at 28 november they did not recongise it and did ethnic cleansing like in Bosnia andsimply to to take lands
Before the Ottoman occupation, those were Serbian lands, and the Serbian army tried to replenish Serbia as it was before Turkish rule. During the Ottoman rule, Serbs were so repressed that they massively retreated to the north, in Austria. In the meantime, the overwhelmingly Muslim Albanians received much better treatment from the Empire, and so they bred and populated Kosovo.
When Serbia became independent from Turkey again, it didn't try to kill off the Albanians from Kosovo, it tried to take it back. But the newly created Albania laid claims on it, and conflict ensued.
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praise the serbs that started the first WW1 because they killed Franc Ferdinand and Austria disrupted their campaign of occupation.
We started the war? 
That's like saying Poland started WW2...
Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia plainly to get more land and power; against all international laws. Bosnian people organized resistance to the occupation.
It didn't have much to do with Serbia. Just think about it, if you're able. What would Serbia get with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? Nothing. It would just lose a lot.
So it wasn't SERBIA who assassinated him, but a Bosnian rebel group which fought against the annexation. That was used by Austria-Hungary as an excuse for an invasion (and brutal repression of Serbs which led to the fact that Serbia had the LARGEST CASUALTY PERCENTAGE in World War 1. No other nation had as much percent of its population killed in that war as Serbia).
Here's the link to the casualties chart.
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And in WW2 to all my Jewish friends we helped you to hide from the holocaust of german-nazis .
There was little history of anti-Semitism in Albania between the local Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Most of the Albanian population was not hostile toward the Jews and helped to hide them during the war, especially when Italy and Germany occupied the country.
That's nice. But the majority of the population of any occupied country was against the holocaust. Almost all Serbs, Poles, French and others had resistances and helped Jewish people.
On the other hand, not all of them had SS squads, like the Skenderbeg division for example. And they weren't really known for being nice to Jews, Serbs, Macedonians, Gypsies, and other non-fascists. On the contrary, they were brutal even for Nazi standards.
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"the policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing as implemented by Serb forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 1992 and 1995 with the direct support of Serbian regime of Slobodan Milošević and its followers ultimately led to the displacement of more than 2,000,000 people, an estimated 200,000 killed, tens of thousands raped or otherwise tortured and abused, and the innocent civilians of Sarajevo and other urban centers repeatedly subjected to shelling and sniper attacks; meet the terms defining the crime of genocide in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, created in Paris on December 9, 1948, and entered into force on January 12, 1951.
I already responded to this in one of our previous "arguments".
I'll be blunt: those numbers were proven to be lies told by the Bosniak government after the war.
According to the Demographic Unit at the ICTY, a total of 72000 Bosnians and Croats died (34000 of which were soldiers), while Serbian casualties were 30700 (14000 soldiers and 16700 civilians).
Note that Croats also fought Bosnians, which further increased the amount of casualties.
So crimes were committed on all sides.
The difference is, the leaders of Croatia and Bosnia (Franjo Tudjman and Alija Izer-Begovic) were largely regarded as national heroes, while Serbs raised several riots and finally a revolution against Milosevic and his regime.
That's it from me.
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posted January 27, 2008 10:53 PM |
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And what do you wana say?All this that I have taken is a lie? Its pretty obious that illyrains were before slavs and others so get your pro-serb sentences to your lands.
As for Bosniacs telling lies,well they did not say that,the Americans said.Before 1878 all lands marked at the maps were ours not serbian prove it that those were yours,my ancestors were from those lands you are tellig me that those were your lands? Pathetic.
"Illyric people were completely merged with the Roman people by that time"
You are making jokes don't you?Does that mean that I am roman?OK Byzantine occupied this territory before the ottomans so i think you are a Byzantine-Ottoman-Serb-Bulgarian-Serb if I am not mistaken.
"On that picture, unless I'm mistaken, is the administrative map of the Balkans under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. So those weren't Albanian lands but mere Ottoman (Turkish) provinces - the Turks divided the lands how it was most useful to them. So that certainly isn't any historic proof"
Well,you say that was no historic proof.Go to Istambull then.They have more info about that.
"Mere Ottoman occupied lands"you should mention.The lands were taken and not ottoman.
"Yes, the reality of the administrative borders of Ottoman vilayets 200 years ago How applicable is that to the reality of today?"
How aplicable is the reality of Serbs to maintain Kosovo as 90% of population being Kosovar?
"Before the Ottoman occupation, those were Serbian lands"
Really,before ottoman serbian,before serbian albanian.Not really before ottoman i think those were bulgarian-byzantine but not serb and before them they were albanian.
"Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia plainly to get more land and power; against all international laws. Bosnian people organized resistance to the occupation.
It didn't have much to do with Serbia. Just think about it, if you're able. What would Serbia get with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? Nothing. It would just lose a lot.
So it wasn't SERBIA who assassinated him, but a Bosnian rebel group which fought against the annexation. That was used by Austria-Hungary as an excuse for an invasion (and brutal repression of Serbs which led to the fact that Serbia had the LARGEST CASUALTY PERCENTAGE in World War 1. No other nation had as much percent of its population killed in that war as Serbia).
Here's the link to the casualties chart"
At least a source of your sayings.Anyway I think maybe the killer was bosniac but the organmisators were serbs.See the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand and read the part ImpactIf you do not want here is a phrase:. The leadership was tried before a kangaroo court and convicted on false charges unrelated to Sarajevo; many were given death sentences. Three of the accused were ultimately shot by firing squad. Before being shot, Dragutin Dimitrievic made a written confession to the court that he had ordered Rade Malobabic to organize the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. Malobabic made an implied confession to a priest before he was executed. Vulovovic's confession came at trial were he said he received orders signed by Serbia's top military officer to send Malobabic into Austria-Hungary just before the assassination. Much later, a new trial was ordered by Yugoslavia and the convictions were overturned
"That's nice. But the majority of the population of any occupied country was against the holocaust. Almost all Serbs, Poles, French and others had resistances and helped Jewish people.
On the other hand, not all of them had SS squads, like the Skenderbeg division for example. And they weren't really known for being nice to Jews, Serbs, Macedonians, Gypsies, and other non-fascists. On the contrary, they were brutal even for Nazi standards"
Really,most of them were anti-nazi.Interesting if you mention naizs as albanians,why not mention serbians as nazis.Why not?In the recent years neo-nazi extremism has grown in serbia much.And if you mention the nazi albanians what was than Slobodan Milosevic in 1999.A modern Nazi.Well i guess if you were living in that time were the nazis controlled europe you would surely turn to a nazi to save your life.
And as about numbers,why deal with numbers? I can say to you if you were one of the victims in bosnia you would surely accept those numbers would not you?As for one thing I have to say "hate"is not the deal here but more of a thread for ANTI-PROPAGANDA and not hate.
Much of the discussion is senseless,why?Because blood was spilled for life and still there is discussion for redeeming the mistakes of the dealers.
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posted January 27, 2008 10:56 PM |
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I have had some interests of looking the reality that was deluded by some articles before simply made me stressed and i could not stand this.
your so stressed that u had to make a new topic,couldnt post in the 2 existing topic on the same subject?
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Many times the 'Reality' expressed by some members here was just a lie to tell their personal appeals and therefore permitting extremism to subjetcs that both morally and generally are not the same.
And what makes your 'Reality' not a lie? 'Reality' is so subjective isent it? its just a metter of prospective.
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The main subject Before was Kosovo where Serbs shown umages and printings to propagate their 'Lies' throughout their interests.
please ,propaganda works both ways.
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Firstly,the Kosvo territory neverbelonged to Serbia and that means never.Simply think if i go to the past those belonged to Thracs and Ilyrians and slavs came after them.The illyrians were nearly as brothers to Illyrians.Here the lands of Illyria and thracia.
funny,when israel used this argument to claim all israel,including parts of lebnon and sinai half island,they said were being delusional..
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ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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ethnic cleansing like in Bosnia andsimply to to take lands but praise the serbs that started the first WW1 because they killed Franc Ferdinand and Austria disrupted their campaign of occupation.
like bak stated,it was a bosnian underground assassin who did it,and it trigged the first WW,but the serbs warent so guilty at it..the 'balkan troubles' ware every little country demanding independs from austro-hungarian empire,that broke up after the war.
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This is the reason independence wouldn't work. The Serbian minority would suffer greatly.
Heh,you are 2 faced..you make it sound like serbian people are more importent then albanian.
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posted January 27, 2008 11:04 PM |
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"wikipedia is not always true"
Really?What is true than?
Edit:Hhahahahaha:All this resistence makes my laughing.As for last time is said "Serbs are the evils"I meant to counter react to the attack for germans as being nazis.But anyway maybe the editor changed the phrase and I got in bad light.
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posted January 27, 2008 11:12 PM |
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there is no such thing as the real world.
sirously though,wikipedia is not allways true,u forget,everyone can write there.
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posted January 28, 2008 01:15 AM |
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And what do you wana say?All this that I have taken is a lie?
Not all. Just most of it. The parts that aren't lies are misinterpreted 
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Its pretty obious that illyrains were before slavs and others
You haven't read a word I wrote, have you?
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so get your pro-serb sentences to your lands.
I don't know how Albanian forums function, but here people have the right to state their opinion. And an ignorant 17-year-old chauvinist certainly will not tell me what to do. No offense ^^
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As for Bosniacs telling lies,well they did not say that,the Americans said.
Doesn't matter who said it, it was proven to be wrong.
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Before 1878 all lands marked at the maps were ours not serbian
No, my friend, they were TURKISH. Under OTTOMAN rule.
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prove it that those were yours,my ancestors were from those lands you are tellig me that those were your lands? Pathetic.
What a coincidence, several of mine ancestors were from Kosovo too. What difference does that make.
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You are making jokes don't you?Does that mean that I am roman?
No, that means you're Albanian and that you have nothing to do with Illyrians
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OK Byzantine occupied this territory before the ottomans so i think you are a Byzantine-Ottoman-Serb-Bulgarian-Serb if I am not mistaken.
In fact, yes I am My grand-grandfather lived in Bulgaria, and a few of my ancestors lived under the Turks so I probably have a bit of Turkish blood too. I just doubt that I have Byzantine blood since Byzantines are extinct.
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Well,you say that was no historic proof.Go to Istambull then.They have more info about that.
Of course. I'm not saying they don't have info. I'm just saying that's info about administration in the Ottoman empire, which has absolutely nothing to do with the political chart of Europe of today.
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"Mere Ottoman occupied lands"you should mention.The lands were taken and not ottoman.
Well, yes. Kosovo was taken from Serbs, for example
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Really,before ottoman serbian,before serbian albanian.Not really before ottoman i think those were bulgarian-byzantine but not serb and before them they were albanian.
First, the Battle of Kosovo was led by Serbia against Ottomans, so Kosovo was undeniably Serbian.
Second, before Serbian, it was Byzantine.
Third, before Byzantine, it was Roman.
And before Roman, it was populated by various nomadic tribes, some of which were Illyrian. But Illyrians are extinct.
It was Bulgarian at one or two points in history perhaps, but I don't see Albanians on the list...
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At least a source of your sayings.
Any history book concerning World War 1, for starters. Go to the nearest library. You do have libraries there?
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The leadership was tried before a kangaroo court and convicted on false charges unrelated to Sarajevo; many were given death sentences. Three of the accused were ultimately shot by firing squad. Before being shot, Dragutin Dimitrievic made a written confession to the court that he had ordered Rade Malobabic to organize the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. Malobabic made an implied confession to a priest before he was executed. Vulovovic's confession came at trial were he said he received orders signed by Serbia's top military officer to send Malobabic into Austria-Hungary just before the assassination. Much later, a new trial was ordered by Yugoslavia and the convictions were overturned
The trial could have been (and probably was) set up. As you see, the convictions were overturned at the later trial.
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Interesting if you mention naizs as albanians,why not mention serbians as nazis.Why not?In the recent years neo-nazi extremism has grown in serbia much.And if you mention the nazi albanians what was than Slobodan Milosevic in 1999.A modern Nazi.
1) Neo-nazi extremists are outlaws and are regarded as plain criminals. Besides, there's very few of them compared to some other countries in the vicinity.
2) Milosevic was a Socialist (something like communist). But he was like a Nazi, yes. Just like Franjo Tudjman, Alija Izer-Begovic and several others.
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Well i guess if you were living in that time were the nazis controlled europe you would surely turn to a nazi to save your life.
You guess wrong.
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And as about numbers,why deal with numbers?
Did you really type that?
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I can say to you if you were one of the victims in bosnia you would surely accept those numbers would not you?
A few of my family friends and cousins were victims of Bosnian and Croatian gunfire. The least I can do is point out that crimes were committed from all sides, and not just from Serbian.
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As for one thing I have to say "hate"is not the deal here but more of a thread for ANTI-PROPAGANDA and not hate.
I am pointing out facts. You are the one propagandizing around. I never said anything about Albanian people as a whole, since I know not everyone is like you. There is a lot of good Albanians, and bad ones. Like there is a lot of good and bad Serbs. It's up to the individual, not the nation.
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Much of the discussion is senseless,why?Because blood was spilled for life and still there is discussion for redeeming the mistakes of the dealers.
There is no redeeming.
I never killed anyone, nor would I. I have nothing to redeem. Nor do most Serbs, and Albanians, and Bosniaks, Croatians or anyone.
Those who DID kill and commit crimes, from all sides - leaders, corrupt commanders, and the like - should be prosecuted. There is no excuse. And no forgiveness.
Instead of fighting among each other, both Serbs and Albanians should fight the bastards on the top, who pitch them against each other for personal gain.
Unfortunately, most people do not see that. So we get senseless wars, hate and bloodshed.
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posted January 28, 2008 11:04 AM |
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I think it is pretty senseless to go back in time and look how the boarders of each region looked alike. If u go back far enough, you will recognize we have been 1 country and 1 nation at the start.
So everybody will go as far back as it will underline his point of view.
I've got the same opinion about such a "search for independance" as I had for any country/region (former sovjet union for example). Let the PEOPLE decide what they want. A government is elected by PEOPLE. They should reign in the name of their PEOPLE.
If they want independance, let them vote (like Quebec did 2 times in the last years!) and wait for the results. This is how democracy works imho.
Just my 2 cents.
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posted January 28, 2008 11:11 AM |
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acording to your argument,like angelito said,Britian then,would have to be half german (due to anglo-saxon hertige) and half franch (due to norman counqer).
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posted January 28, 2008 11:42 AM |
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Except that Norman people were Vikings who conguered the region.
They would have to be Danish.
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posted January 28, 2008 11:56 AM |
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If u go back far enough, you will recognize we have been 1 country and 1 nation at the start.
Imagine how happier the world would've been if it stayed that way.
Besides, isn't that what the world of today aspires to?
European Union? The United States?
How can the world unite if its lands fall apart?
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I've got the same opinion about such a "search for independance" as I had for any country/region (former sovjet union for example). Let the PEOPLE decide what they want. A government is elected by PEOPLE. They should reign in the name of their PEOPLE.
Of course. That is the rational thing to do.
So why isn't Scotland independent? Why don't Spaniards ask the Basques if they would like a separate state? What happened to those native Americans who proclaimed independence from the USA recently?
I for one would let Kosovo go if all those other regions in the world would get independence too.
But if the USA cannot spare a few square miles for native Americans, why should we?
We can either have complete democracy or have none. Selective democracy is just plain disgusting.
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posted January 28, 2008 01:07 PM |
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If u go back far enough, you will recognize we have been 1 country and 1 nation at the start.
Imagine how happier the world would've been if it stayed that way.
How true....
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Besides, isn't that what the world of today aspires to?
European Union? The United States?
I'm not sure this is comparable to the current serbia/kosovo problem. The european union is more a united economical area than a form of a "united states of europe", like the USA is. But it seems some parts of the world want to come together (East and west germany for example), while others want to seperate (former sovjet union, former yugoslavia, etc...). But I guess this depends on how the assembly/seperation happened. Germany was forced to seperate, therefore they had the will to assemble again. Baltic states were forced to assemble with russia to a Sovjet Union and I think balcan regions were also forced to assemble to Yugoslavia, therefore they want to be seperated again. While on the other hand, the USA never was forced to assemble a united state.
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I've got the same opinion about such a "search for independance" as I had for any country/region (former sovjet union for example). Let the PEOPLE decide what they want. A government is elected by PEOPLE. They should reign in the name of their PEOPLE.
Of course. That is the rational thing to do.
So why isn't Scotland independent? Why don't Spaniards ask the Basques if they would like a separate state? What happened to those native Americans who proclaimed independence from the USA recently?
I am not sure about these things, but Great Britain and Spain are monarchies, so maybe that's a reason why this works different.
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We can either have complete democracy or have none. Selective democracy is just plain disgusting.
Isn't this the attitude, which makes democracy impossible? "If he doesn't.....I will neither...". You shouldn't compare your situations with other nations. Every nation/region has its own background, which is unique.
You know what kids (no offense!!) say, when they want more money or want to stay out the whole night?
"But mum...I know many guys/girls in my class who are allowed to go out...and they recieve much more money each month than I do!"
My answer:
"My dear, I know many kids in your age who already won olympique medals, have only A's in school or earn more money than their parents as photo models. So if u can compare yourself to one of these, I will compare you to the ones you mentioned!"
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Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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