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posted February 25, 2004 01:41 AM |
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I Speak For Myself
As an american I speak for myself and no other citizen of this country. That's one of the freedom's of this country's laws. If I think someone is more qualified than myself to negotiate with a foreign country then I have the right to vote for the candidate that I think would best be suited for the job. That's as clear as it gets with american diplomatic relations.
I'm going to say that, in the beginning, I had a poor opinion of this Iraq war but my opinion has changed recently to a positively hopeful one. I believe that the Iraqi people are finally starting to realize that the insurgent Saddam loyalists and such aren't just targeting american soldiers. They are bombing their own people. I think that the iraqi people are beginning to take control of their own country again. It is rightful that they do. They belong in the land of their fathers' fathers'. Who else could care for it in the way they could? I do not believe that Bush made an error in going to Iraq any longer. I believe that it was a great humanitarian mission to free its people and give them back what is rightfully theirs.
As for we americans being illiterate and such, I see that is true to a small degree. There is illiteracy in every country around the world. I don't know if every single person lives to be educated. I do personally but I do not speak for any other person. I do not know if every single person in the world lives to reject science and accept god.
If it is one thing about the human race it is that we are a creature of diversity. I'm against generalizing and rightfully so. Some americans think the way they are criticized for thinking and some don't. The same applies to any country in the world.
Let's all try to look at the big picture. Let's all focus on the civilizations in the world that have people dying of starvation or dying from unclean water. That is what I like to devote my focus to when I'm not busy fathering one boy and two girls. My wife is her own unique self and I have responsibilities as a husband to her as well. Let's not dwell on hating an entire country.
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posted February 25, 2004 01:44 AM |
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Please note all the spelling and typing errors in the above post. It is a result of the USA's poor state of academic affairs
Yeah, I mean they can't even master their quote functions properly either 
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posted February 25, 2004 02:13 AM |
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First off, PIG, You are low grade pondscum and really not even worth getting upset about. Treat others as you want to be treated, so if you want to sling insults at me Because i'm an American, Thats cool, but you need to stand in line cause half the world wants a piece of us, they just don't have the guts or the resources. Standup, Listen up noob, if it was not for America, You Canadians would be Mexicans. I now Know what its like to be sucker punched twice, shame on me. Hey Billy bob, Surcle them there wagens wees bein attacked by some KANUCKS. As for a secret army ready to invade, Damn thats funny!!!. But hey what the heck It's okay to have your dreams of power and glory, but pack a lunch boy it's gonna take all day. COUERTESY OF THE RED WHITE AND BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted February 25, 2004 02:15 AM |
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posted February 25, 2004 02:30 AM |
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Thats cool, but you need to stand in line cause half the world wants a piece of us, they just don't have the guts or the resources.
Oh they do, they just figure it's not worth a nuclear war if they started winning...
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posted February 25, 2004 05:42 AM |
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Okay PH, Name one country that can stand toe to toe with the U.S in A conventional war ( I HATE NUKES ). Better yet since we are primative Neanderthals as some people think, lets do clubs and rocks. I here alot of Crap from people from all over the world including the U.S who say alot of stupid vile garbage about American soldiers, When they themselves have never had the courage to even try to be a soldier. They just like to jump on the band wagon when they see a hot topic and think they need to put in there two cents. If it were not for America PH, you would be speaking german right now. I feel people should have to earn the right to voice there opinion. Imagine for a minute were the world would be if the U.S had never existed, Try to think through history, and ponder the magor events that the U.S was involved in,how would thoughs events ended ? Keep an open mind, it may be difficult for some of you to do this since you are narrow minded and shallow in vision. I long for utopia were all mankind are at peace and united, But for now I am an AMERICAN soldier and damn proud of it, So if you want some, Come get some! You don't like me , Bite me!
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posted February 25, 2004 07:49 AM |
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Consis:
You are somehow right about being unique & have your own ideas.
But to have an ideology is another thing if you know what i mean.
Iraq?....Plz reconsider this as it was known one of the falls for the USA....You respect me as an Arab Muslim?I don't think so...I think that Bush explained this when he said "Crusade"....He said it out of ignornace or maybe because he is stupied dosn't concern me that much.
You think Iraq well be a better place....It could have been only if the USA didn't come like the former Tatar led by Jnakis Khan which is represnted in here by the USA's prsident.
You think that freedome can come throught war....Mass killing of civilians....Destruction of an infrastructure of a country?
You think that freedome can come on the back of a tank?or upon what is called a smart missle which leaves his target & hit markets full of civilinas.....Plz think again.
& catuly every one is dying in Iraq....USA soldires & Iraqies.
Now...Why do you think that Arab & Muslims hates the USA?
This is a question that if most of you have the right answer to then you may not see any more hatred twrads Americans.
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posted February 25, 2004 10:09 AM |
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Freedom Through War? I Must Think About This.
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Iraq?....Plz reconsider this as it was known one of the falls for the USA....You respect me as an Arab Muslim?I don't think so...I think that Bush explained this when he said "Crusade"....He said it out of ignornace or maybe because he is stupied dosn't concern me that much.
You are correct Sataricon. He did say this and later recanted what he said as a mistake. Whether intentional or not it was a very bad thing to say. I agree with you. As for not respecting you as a muslim. I do. I am a person that believes other people have passion about certain things in their lives. I, therefore, believe the Islamic faith to be another direction for a person's passion. I respect any Arab Muslim on that simple basis.
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You think Iraq well be a better place....It could have been only if the USA didn't come like the former Tatar led by Jnakis Khan which is represnted in here by the USA's prsident.
It's hard to see the future when there are so many people dying. I do not know if it was the right thing to do originally. I think Iraq will be a better place now. When I say better I mean that they will have better civil liberties through advanced medical training and supplies. Less women will die from having children. Less people will die from unclean water and rotten foods. Do I think the people will be happier? I do not know. As a fellow human being myself I believe that happiness comes from within. To seek out happiness is a right that I believe we all have. To seek it out at the cost of other's expense would be deplorable. It all depends.
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You think that freedom can come through war....Mass killing of civilians....Destruction of an infrastructure of a country?
You think that freedome can come on the back of a tank?or upon what is called a smart missle which leaves his target & hit markets full of civilinas.....Plz think again.
You make a very strong point. Freedom through war? Good question. As I think on it, I do not know for sure. I can be sure that many people believe in revolution as a means to bring about quick change as opposed to gradual. Does this mean the people were hasty? I think it depends on the kind of suffering the people might have endured before being brought to such drastic means. I believe freedom from war can only be measured by the people who were oppressed. An outsider looking in cannot possibly know all the details. But even that isn't certain. Whether it is certain that revolutionary, libertarian, or Coup De Etat wars brought about favorable change only history can tell. Just as this Iraq war is very questionable, so too, will only history tell if it was the right decision.
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posted February 25, 2004 10:58 AM |
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Okay PH, Name one country that can stand toe to toe with the U.S in A conventional war ( I HATE NUKES
Uhmm, hang on a moment, that was not my point I merely commented on the fact that countries do have "guts" if that's the term you wish to use. But since you insist, Russia prior to the communist collapse could quite conceivably (with her allies of course) stood up to America without the use of nuclear weapons. Oh and before you shout about how rubbish this is, you might want to check out NATO military policy for most of latter part the cold war. That recognised that Russia would probably win eventually through sheer weight of numbers and the only way to prevent this was the deployment and use of tactical nuclear weapons. Whilst you will probably consider it a slur on American military ability, that's certainly not true, the truth was that for much of the late cold war, the west knew full well that Russia was conventionally superior enough to win by conventional means alone.
If you desire to go further back in history, it's quite concievable that the British would have won either the Revolution or the 1812 war had we not been otherwise occupied and therefore incapable of deploying a decent amount of troops. I digress though. Assuming you mean right at this moment in time, it would depend on the situation. Normally though, western nations have a lack of will (fortunately) amongst civilians to fight wars, therefore whilst on paper the US would beat most countries in most situations, in reality, the result would often be different.
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Better yet since we are primative Neanderthals as some people think, lets do clubs and rocks.
I think the race that produced Descartes, Mozart, Da Vinci and so on can claim a little superiority over a Neanderthal thank you
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here alot of Crap from people from all over the world including the U.S who say alot of stupid vile garbage about American soldiers, When they themselves have never had the courage to even try to be a soldier.
I have no doubt you have. however I don't recall seriously making such remarks, so your point is?
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If it were not for America PH, you would be speaking german right now
Possibly not, probably more Russian. I seem to recall Barbarossa was before Pearl Harbour. That's even presuming the UK would have continued the war until captured, which was far from certain, so your simplistic remark, repeating a worn out and pathetic analysis of WWII without thinking is no better than those you claim to despise. Whatever would have happened, you can be assured that the US would not have enjoyed it either. I'm sure you and your fellow countrymen find it extremely easy to spit out that remark every time someone criticises your country, however, not only does it have nothing to do with the topic at hand half the time, it is also as simplistic as the remarks you seek to defend your country against in this case.
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I feel people should have to earn the right to voice there opinion. Imagine for a minute were the world would be if the U.S had never existed, Try to think through history, and ponder the magor events that the U.S was involved in,how would thoughs events ended ?
Naturally it probably would have ended up divided between the various warring European powers as colonies. I imagine this would have been very bad for the world. However, I fail to see what relevance this has when directed as part of a vehement stream of remarks at me.
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Keep an open mind, it may be difficult for some of you to do this since you are narrow minded and shallow in vision.
Intruiging how you come about this comment, especially if you include me in this remark, do enlighten me as to how stating a simple fact which contradicted yours enables you to make such a wide reaching conclusion.
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posted February 25, 2004 05:13 PM |
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please dont blame all canadians for this post 
he musta been watching american television  jk
we dont all hate americans.. Canada though was created outa spite of the americans though.. we got your loyalists and whatnot. if you live in Canada its not for the weather its to be close to but not Americans (originaly now your just born here and to cheap to move)
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posted February 25, 2004 07:26 PM |
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What can I say? Here: Golden Age of USA has gone, USA is collapsing, because americans dont wanna work and educate. United States of America was raised by European workers, who fled to avoid WW2. Yeah, in 1950s-1970s there was much work-force concentrated in there, econimic was very good.
NOW LOOK AT TODAY AMERICA:
200 milions of usa people wastes almost half of earth resources (oil, gas and other stuff). Americans dont deserve it, also they are living on their parents account (they dont earn as much as they waste). This situation is problem.
GW Bush is typical american, do I have to say more? Iraq war is total reasonless. Ppl in there was controled by dictator, now then americans invaded, total mess occured. The same with Afganistan.
Typical american thinks, that any other country, including Europe is village. Also they are very proud, then american arrives in our country (Lithuania), he believes only he is knowing what to do. But actualy they were dumber (that was proved).
I think USA is collapsing. Todays most perspective people are from : Eastern Europe, India , Pakistan , Korea , China and more. These people works much for low resources.
ANY MISTAKES?? NOO, THERE WAS TRUTH SAID, WHO DISAGREE?
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posted February 25, 2004 09:28 PM |
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Am I Typical Too?
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GW Bush is typical american. Typical american thinks, that any other country, including Europe is village.(that was proved).
I am an American and yet George Bush does not represent me because I did not vote for him. I am an American that does not think Europe or any other country is a village.
It seems I have clearly disproven your so-called "proven facts".
Such generalizations will only fall on deaf ears without proof in your baseless theories.
You don't have to be that way. Don't take my word for it. Talk to other americans. Research your theories. Find proof of what you are saying, then come back we'll talk some more.
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posted February 25, 2004 09:59 PM |
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Okay PH, Name one country that can stand toe to toe with the U.S in A conventional war
OK...China...Russia...Many more....I guess that's is enough.
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I here alot of Crap from people from all over the world including the U.S who say alot of stupid vile garbage about American soldiers, When they themselves have never had the courage to even try to be a soldier.
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I feel people should have to earn the right to voice there opinion
Hmmm...You mean through brute power?...behind tons of WMD?
You may be right.
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Try to think through history, and ponder the magor events that the U.S was involved in,how would thoughs events ended ?
Ok...There will be no Vitname for an example.
Want more example?....You may know your history & there is more if you like me to add.
I think though that the USA had gave so much for every one...That's nice.....But they take what they give back by the edge of the sword if you know the exprsion.
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But for now I am an AMERICAN soldier and damn proud of it
That's good...Does this mean that i may see you on my country Egypt one day offering me salvation from the dictator?....Good....But make sure that you tell me before you come so i can greet you with the proper way which is....But that's when you come.
I tell this to the soldire not to the person as you know.
did you get what i want to say?
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they will have better civil liberties through advanced medical training and supplies. Less women will die from having children. Less people will die from unclean water and rotten foods.
Ok....You seem that you don't know any thing about Iraq but this is normal as you don't need to for many reasons....But let me explain this:
Iraq was a very rich country....It was an oil country so you must know what i'll say....It's a common thing that people's conditions there before the war was very good....Thay had exlent medical care & for free....They had 2 rivers Digla & El-Forat which offerd them a very clean water.....In short Iraq was a very rich country which didn't need the USA's supreme destruction power.
You know when did people started to drink dirty water & when did the children died....When did people sterted loking for food....You know the answer your self as i can say that you are smart to read what i want to say even if i didn't say it.
Also note that there is a lot of countries who have bad medical care & unclean water & above all...Dictators....I think that the USA's Air Force will help those people also by killing them all so they will not be exposed to such a living condition.
There is a real problem with the USA today....That it think that they are the creator & destroyer....The judge & the executioner.
Don't be supprised if people in here hates the USA...We do have minds & we do think....We do feel.
Sorry for making this a long post
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posted February 25, 2004 10:33 PM |
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I'm an American, and I think that the people are corrupt and stupid, but the main problem is the president. The average American person would rather make money and sue the pants of people, but the president is the one causing the major problems. Declaring war on a phantom enemy with no evidence for the war, pouring billions per month and hundreds of lives into trying to "liberate" Iraq, preventing our allies from helping us and then trying to pass off our problems onto them, it's just dumb! What is Bush thinking?
About 90% of the stuff you just rattled off is a bunch of lies. Bush declared war on Iraq to get some hands on cheap oil so the already high price for oil based products might go down
I agree with the rest of what you said. I must have been caught up in an anti-Republican frenzy , but the oil bit just doesn't ring true. Paying billions per month and lives to get oil?! Just from an economic standpoint, it's not a good idea. I'm not sure what's really behind the invasion, but oil sure ain't it.
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posted February 25, 2004 10:54 PM |
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What can I say? Here: Golden Age of USA has gone, USA is collapsing, because americans dont wanna work and educate.
There are alot of people in America that are lazy, same in other countries. Is the US collapsing? Well of course it is! When you have organizations like the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) tampering with the constitution and twisting it to violate the same civil liberties they are supposed to be protecting. I know there are a lot more people that want to work and educate than the lazy.
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United States of America was raised by European workers, who fled to avoid WW2. Yeah, in 1950s-1970s there was much work-force concentrated in there, econimic was very good.
There were a ton of immigrants who fled to the US from the late 1800's to the beginning of WWII. The economy was spurred by the war, not because of immigrants flooding into the country, but the war itself. The US was in the worst economic condition that it had ever seen, the Great Depression. The economy was spurred because suddenly after Pearl Harbor there was a common thing to fight against. The people rallied to build the things needed to run the American war machine.
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NOW LOOK AT TODAY AMERICA:
200 milions of usa people wastes almost half of earth resources (oil, gas and other stuff). Americans dont deserve it, also they are living on their parents account (they dont earn as much as they waste). This situation is problem.
You exagerate that statistic. It's only 25% of the world's resources that the US uses. I didn't say that was good, but it sure is better than what you accused. BTW if all the food in the world was pooled and separated equally among all of Earth's people, everyone in the world could have around a 2000 calorie per day diet. That would keep obesity down and the starving would not starve.
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GW Bush is typical american, do I have to say more? Iraq war is total reasonless. Ppl in there was controled by dictator, now then americans invaded, total mess occured. The same with Afganistan.
Bush is a typical American? What knowledge of my country gives you the right to determine what the typical American is like? There are a few Americans on HC, and a lot of us think differently about Bush, Iraq and other issues. So which of us is typical?
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Typical american thinks, that any other country, including Europe is village. Also they are very proud, then american arrives in our country (Lithuania), he believes only he is knowing what to do. But actualy they were dumber (that was proved).
Yeah, I don't think that, Consis said he doesn't think that...so again, who's typical?
And you saying "that was proved", doesn't prove anything. If I say, I am Winston Churchill and add "that was proved" at the end of it, who would believe me? Probably no one, better be no one anyway.
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I think USA is collapsing. Todays most perspective people are from : Eastern Europe, India , Pakistan , Korea , China and more. These people works much for low resources.
They have a better perspective of the world because thy're poorer than the US? How about the people of starving countries like Ethiopia? Do they have a better perspective than you because they have a worse life than you?
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ANY MISTAKES?? NOO, THERE WAS TRUTH SAID, WHO DISAGREE?
#1 Yes
#2 I disagree, see above
P.S. I'm not Winston Churchill
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posted February 25, 2004 11:35 PM |
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Sataricon, You need to read a little more closely to the posts before your mouth runith over. Wmd's are out, I made mention of that, unless your talking about the size of my biceps. lol. And as for china and russia, you think just because they can breed like rabbits (china) that there numbers alone would suffice, Not! China is still 10-15yrs. behind in there millitary tech.so that can't be it. it takes alot more than brute force through shear numbers to win or even survive( hence Iraq 1991 4th. largest army and we spanked them in a matter of days.) Russia- they have to many internal issues to pose a challenge, besides the fact that there equipment is junk and they don't pay there soldiers. Besides Russia is not our enemy nor is China. If we are going to look at them as advasaries lets look at a few others first. Please don't take this the wrong way, as I have said before, I am against going to war with other countries I feel we need to solve are homeland problems first. And going after terrorists, Should be done diplomaticly until that avenue has been exhausted,then and only then should we resort to millitary action to solve the problem. Now For Egypt I didn't realize that we had a problem there. But if you want to have dilusions of granger in thinking that you can stand toe to toe with me go ahead, cause you really don't matter.I have the utmost respect for Private Hudson, and I feel no disrespect from him when he tears apart my posts, He is a great debater.there are a few others that can use tact in there posts and still get there point across.Pig, styg, standup,and sataricon, you four seam to have some deep juvinile issues that are screaming to be let out, try to grow up a little and really look at the world before you try to pass judgements on others.
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posted February 26, 2004 12:12 AM |
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Who said any thing about USA get defeated by china....But to do so there will be much & much looses for the USA...A loses which it might never recover from it.
Now about my mouth i don't think that this is a good thing to flame other people when they didn't flame you...I have some dissagrrements with Consis but for sure you don't see me flaming him & he didn't flame me.
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But if you want to have dilusions of granger in thinking that you can stand toe to toe with me go ahead, cause you really don't matter.
The only thing i can say about this is that i'm sorry.
Realy i'm sorry as i don't matter to you so i shouldn't have tried to clear things out for you.
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you four seam to have some deep juvinile issues that are screaming to be let out,try to grow up a little and really look at the world before you try to pass judgements on others.
I didn't understand very will what you mean with your first part...My English isn't that good.
The thing that you don't understand is that i know alot about my world "Middle-East" than you'll ever know....Here i made my opinion on the USA's policy against my homelands nothing more....I think that it's your problem that you can't replay very good to my post without insulting me or other people....Which may give me an idea about how do you think about Iraqies for example.
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Now For Egypt I didn't realize that we had a problem there. But if you want to have dilusions of granger in thinking that you can stand toe to toe with me go ahead
I'm just taking about me...Not the army nor the government...I hate my governmenet....Do i need to grow up?...I don't know...But i think that you should deal with your own vanity problem.
After all...Let's not make this betwen me & you....Ok...let's try to have a civiliad change of view points.
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<Ruminating.... ruminating....
Still having visions of Monster Trucks blazing by in my mind...
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posted February 26, 2004 01:42 AM |
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Sataricon, You had quoted several parts of my post, thats what I am referring to. I don't like my government that much either, Taxation, foriegn policy, sticking there nose in other countries affairs. they order us to enter other countries and task us with certain missions that I don't agree with. As A soldier that is what I do, even when I don't fully agree with the mission. But I do it for my fellow soldiers, they are buddies, friends and brothers. I do it for them. I try very hard to look at things that are happening in the world with an open mind, so if I missinterpreted your post,I oplogise. There is so much anti American feelings in the world,A large part of the cause is our government and knowing this it tends to get my panties in a bunch when I here talk about the american people as being the cause of other societies problems. The fact is I think alot of it stems from envy because of the freedoms that we have that alot of other countries do not. As far as being arrogant, yes that is one of my faults as I have several, but maybe thats were I differ from others, as I admit to to having faults when others don't. I think the use of the word vanity probably wasn't right as that tends to explain how people think they are better looking, or just plain better than other people. I would love to have all of the American soldiers brought home and just defend our borders, letting the rest of the world take care of themselves. Would that cure the hatred or make it worse cause now the only country that you have defending the oppressed and helpless is France.( I can say that about them, I'm actually French.)..
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Sorry, long time no read here. I’m gonna quote almost all of you. You are sooo provocative, can’t help it.
Offtopic: as odd as it seems, I can’t see PH in this list. Hmmm, I thought u and I don’t agree, but after I read many of ur posts all over the place I can now see we are more similar than you think. Therefore, I’d like to officially apologize for the “insult” I gave you, calling you “pro-American”. 
Another offtopic (sorry): Consis, nice new avatar u have there. Is that you in RL?
“As you mentioned, the USA does not have the best record for high school education and post-secondary schooling, but that doesn't matter, cause the USA has Hollywood and Las Vegas to make up for its shortcomings.”
Lmao. Sorry, I can’t decide whether this is irony or honesty, cus lots of Americans unfortunately feel that way.
“Besides, we are not really concerned about other countries; unless, of course, they have lots and lots of oil or other natural resources...”
And this is ok with you?!
“Please sit down or we will start tearing up your petty nation looking for Weapons Of Mass Distruction (even if they don't exist).”
Hmmm, this reminds me of a case here, in Macedonia, where a sophisticated, modern Macedonian company (one of the few we have) was put on the “black list” of companies “producing technology for making WMD and selling to other countries”. Need I mention that this company produces only high-tech robots and sophisticated computer technology and has nothing to do with WMD.
Because “Microsam” (the company name) is very wanted on the world market, because of the low prices, the US companies imposed some trading sanctions and lobbied our government to forbid this company to export, and our servile government actually did that.
This is also connected with an incident from about a year ago, when one of the company’s robots was stolen prior to a robotics exhibition in Germany.
Just one of many examples for you Americans, why US is an imperialistic country and how things work behind the “CNN curtain”.
“I'm going to say that, in the beginning, I had a poor opinion of this Iraq war but my opinion has changed recently to a positively hopeful one.”
I’m sorry to hear that, Consis.
“Let's all focus on the civilizations in the world that have people dying of starvation or dying from unclean water.”
Ironically, that’s what we are doing when talking about US policy, cus it’s the US dominance which prevents to some extent these countries to develop economically.
“I here alot of Crap from people from all over the world including the U.S who say alot of stupid vile garbage about American soldiers, When they themselves have never had the courage to even try to be a soldier.”
Wanna hear some more crap from me? You are right about me not wanting to be a soldier. So, I don’t like war, especially unjust wars. So what? Does that make me a chicken? Btw, American military superiority is due more to her sophisticated military technology, than to the professionalism of their soldiers. These are all noble men and women willing to die for their country, I respect that, but let’s face it: Everybody mocks them when they hit their own unit or a wrong target (eg. Chinese embassy during the NATO bombing).
“Imagine for a minute were the world would be if the U.S had never existed, Try to think through history, and ponder the magor events that the U.S was involved in,how would thoughs events ended ?”
Yeah, a very different place indeed. Some things would be better, mostly worse. Americans have really great achievments to be proud of: scientific achievements, freedom and democracy (among the first countries to grant that), just think, computers and the Internet revolution, the conquering of space, jazz, blues, rock and so many others that are the reason for which I like US. But your problem is that you uphold the wrong values: Hollywood, Britney, Jerry Springer, Las Vegas, sex and violence, waging war etc. 
“You make a very strong point. Freedom through war? Good question.
I can be sure that many people believe in revolution as a means to bring about quick change as opposed to gradual.”
Yes, that’s the core point here. You hit the right spot, Consis.
Personally I believe that revolution is better than evolution, but however, only if that revolution comes from within the country, not imposed by an outsider.
Outside intervention, without the conditions inside a country being ripe for change, can only bring big problems, both for conquerors and conquered, as we have seen in Iraq.
Another proof was the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. It’s a fact that Milosevic’s support was bigger during the bombing than before that. It was only that after few years passed, that the conditions became ripe for his removal from power. So it happened, the change came from within, not outside.
It was the same situation in Vietnam, and the reason why Americans lost that one, and all of their interventions which had nothing in common with the public opinion in those countries.
But, on the other side, if there are conditions for change inside a country, then that change will certainly happen, without the need for intervention.
It was the case with the collapse of the Soviet Union and communism in Eastern European countries.
“BTW if all the food in the world was pooled and separated equally among all of Earth's people, everyone in the world could have around a 2000 calorie per day diet. That would keep obesity down and the starving would not starve.”
Ain’t this sad? And the current situation and division of wealth is OK with you? You see absolutely no problem with it?
“There are a few Americans on HC, and a lot of us think differently about Bush, Iraq and other issues.”
Yes, they do, but Wolfman is certainly not one of them.
“Pig, styg, standup,and sataricon, you four seam to have some deep juvinile issues that are screaming to be let out, try to grow up a little and really look at the world before you try to pass judgements on others.”
Shame on you, redhawk! *points at redhawk with his finger* Satiricon has made really good points about American policy, and this is how you reply. He is the only one we have from the Middle East, and the only one who can break the illusion we have, imposed by our mass medias.
“The fact is I think alot of it stems from envy because of the freedoms that we have that alot of other countries do not.”
Oh my! You do have a twisted image of the world as being “not free”. Tell you the truth, the only thing the world envies you is your money. Me too, oh, how I’d love to have your money. You can keep Bush. I can live with it .
“Would that cure the hatred or make it worse cause now the only country that you have defending the oppressed and helpless is France.”
People, people, NO country has ever defended the oppressed and hlepless. Unless that suits their interrests, of course. Don’t delude urself into thinking that US or France or anyone else, for that matter, cares for other countries, without thinking for themselves first and most. The best thing a country can do is NOT to “help”.
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