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pietjebell
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posted April 12, 2004 12:51 PM |
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It has a Pentium 4, 40 gig hd, and 512m of ram. It also has wireless capabillities. I picked up a world power adapter and surge supressor, as well as an inverter for a power source for when i'm mobile. If any of you heroes can give me some hints about staying on line over there I would appreciate it immencely.
In answer to your quest:
P4 & 512 ram should be sufficient to do all you want these days. So hardware is not an issue
I dont know how it is in US army (in hostile terrorties), but I did a project once for the Dutch army. ( I am an computer technician)
Maybe you need an network adapter aswell. I am not sure about it cos you say the laptop has wireless.
I am pretty sure that US army is connected to the US army network, even over there.
Therefore I think you can connect to the i-net no problem.
All you need to do is hook your laptop to the network over there.
If the network has wireless possibilities it can 't be any problem, else you will need a network adapter.
A simple 10/100 PCMCIA card should do the trick.
Ask the network administrator too
Goodluck over there
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Celfious
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posted April 12, 2004 05:39 PM |
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what i meant by www2 is world wide web 2..
nevermind though.
All I advize is make sure you can have it. If you sneak around base with a satilite thing, bad things can happen
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Svarog
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posted April 12, 2004 07:02 PM |
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Redhawk, i was just joking about that reporting thing, but still it’s not the same if you’re able to post from there. (I don’t think that’ll happen however)
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If you want to be really creative, soak your bullets in pig's blood so that you can help send your local Iraqi/Arab insurgent back to hell. Bury your Iraqi enemy with pig entrails covering their body and make it public.
This is totally inhuman! The Huns were less brutal than that!
I can’t believe you said that. Are you at least aware that it’s human lives we are talking about? “Shoot to kill” and “shoot first, ask later” are the two mottos that made you guys hated in all areas where you set foot (and gun). How many Iraqi civilians die each day there? The real number is many times multiplied with the official one. But hell no, who cares about them. You only mourn (and count) your American soldiers and are in position to kill 100 Iraqi innocent civilians in order to save one American life. Nuke ‘em all! *insert cowboy shout here* Why not?
If an American hears a chicken squeak, he goes frenzy and kills 10 nearby civilians (and children among them!)! Great job, saviors of the world!
It’s not about the ideological world we live, but at least I’d like to believe that even in this snowing world there’s still some respect left for the value of human life. Killing should be the last resort in self-defense.
But OK, if you, US soldiers, think that killing Iraqis is “not such a big deal”, may it serve your honor and conscience. It will be a burden to carry for the rest of your life, either before God (if you believe in one) or before yourself.
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Consis
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posted April 12, 2004 07:45 PM |
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Remembering My Promise To The_Gootch's Future Posts
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Svarog,
As Peacemaker once said, "Come on you guys, It's The_Gootch we're talking about."
I Can't say more because I promised not to criticize any of his future posts.
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privatehudson
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posted April 12, 2004 08:42 PM |
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Svarog Do try not to be so hysterical, most of what you have said there about americans is way off the mark and smacks more of the old Russian communist propaganda than it does of the truth. 
Truth is most of the civilian casualties I've caught have been done due to their own damn fault in the first place. Example: I heard about a car carrying women and children that was blown up by a US bradley APC. All nasty and horrible, but the same car was first asked in their own language to halt at the roadblock (and it was a clear one too) then fired upon with a warning shot (ie one that deliberately missed but went close enough) and finally, having exhausted their options and with the car STILL not stopping and coming right at them, they blew out the engine.
Bear in mind that the terrorists/freedom fighters with the weapons look now different really from the civilians of the area. In the above situation the bradley crew would have no idea who was in the car, or indeed if it was rigged to explode taking them with it. This kind of warfare is not easy, I'm sure there are not THAT many US soldiers with the attitude you describe of them, for that matter, it wouldn't surprise me if they were court-maritialed if it had been proved that they knowingly shot civilians without good cause.
Another problem I have is with this:
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It’s not about the ideological world we live, but at least I’d like to believe that even in this ****ing world there’s still some respect left for the value of human life. Killing should be the last resort in self-defense.
Whilst it's nice rhetoric, for a soldier facing enemies that quite blatantly do NOT follow the same ideals and mostly do not value human life that much, it's hard to keep in mind that shooting to kill is the last option. Make no mistake about it, this post-war Iraq is not an easy place to be a soldier in, nor was Northern Ireland when there was trouble there. Whilst we should rightly judge and throw out troops who use the situation to kill with no thought, we should also learn to make the distinction towards what is simply a genuine mistake made by soldiers under extreme stress. In the majority of cases, these troops get split seconds to make a choice that could mean life or death for him and those around him. Don't be too harsh on soldiers when they make a mistake that most of us will never have to make.
Though I do agree, Gootch's comments were.... well Gootch like.
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hamsi128
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posted April 12, 2004 11:03 PM |
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for consis and his kind....
im not angry to you consis... it seems you are a clever guy... WAKE UP !!!..... and redhawk sorry for these pictures i hope you wont see in real one of these scenes 
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Svarog
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posted April 13, 2004 02:19 AM |
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I wasn't offended by the "picturesque visualisation" of Gootch's post, but I was commenting more on the point he was trying to make with that.
PH,
"The genuine mistake made by soldiers under extreme stress" can cost several innocent people their lives. And I am aware that sometimes unnecessary things happen. That's why I said that it's best for a soldier always to stay alert and think cold-minded (at least, as much as it's possible in a situatiuon like that).
Unfortunately, the current statistics doesn't go in favor of this behavior. How many times is the number of innocent civilians killed by mistake, bigger than that of killed US soldiers? That would mean that they make mistakes far too often. And just as a reminder, those are the official statistics and examples (such as the one you mentioned). But what of those that are (by chance or on purpose) unrecorded? Just take a look at the pics hamsi posted.
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privatehudson
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posted April 13, 2004 02:55 AM |
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And why is the situation so tense? Because extremists and for want of a better term terrorists are causing a air of tension and panic amongst soldiers in the area with their constant attacks and damage to the country. Make no mistake about it, just about the quickest way to get the "occupiers" of their land would have been to have stayed quiet and waited. Bush would not have kept US troops there forever, power would have passed to a democractic (or near to) local goverment and most of the soldiers will have left. This though may have provided a stable and rational government. This is not what the current purveyors of this violence are after.
Of course innocent civilians are dying, that is an unfortunate fact of life in a situation like that, however, I find it hard to believe that US soldiers would knowingly and frequently commit such crimes, mistakes are just that. And often they are not necessarily the fault of the US (or otherwise) soldiers who shot the civilian. The point is that like the war or otherwise, like Bush or otherwise, if the US and others pulled out now, if troops left now, anarchy would most likely reign in the country between the armed factions that exist. Criticism would rain down about abandoning Iraq to instability and so on. The majority of the troops there are doing their best, and yes unfortunate incidents happen, but to label the entire US military view on the situation in the way you did was innacurate and unfair.
After all, not all the incidents of innocent civilians dying is the fault of the US... I remember seeing a video touted around forums about how an Apache gunship mowed down 2-3 (I forget how many exactly) civilians with it's chain gun. Everywhere was widespread condemnation at the brutal act. What the originators of the video DIDN'T show you was the scene before the gunner on the Apache opened up. That part of the movie showed that the people later shot had driven up in a car and got a RPG rocket launcher out of the boot and that they were suspects for charges of weapons trading anyway. It's not always the fault of the US, nor is it always what it seems. I'm sure random events of unjustified violence do occur by allied troops, but equally, I'm sure it's neither condonned or allowed if it is found. That's why the MPs exist after all.
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Svarog
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posted April 13, 2004 03:07 AM |
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I agree. But that doesn't make my appeal to redhawk less correct, or the mistakes made by US soldiers i pointed out.
EDIT: Oh, i disagree with one thing though. I'm sure unjustified violence by US troops is far more tolerated by military officials than it would be in ordinary conditions.
The difference is I choose to emphasize those things more, while you choose to "forget" those incidents. 
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posted April 13, 2004 04:41 AM |
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for consis and his kind....
Can some one please define the meaning of "Consis's kind"?
Seriously, I am at a loss for words. What are my kind like exactly?
As for those graphic pictures. It's always easy to show pictures of people who are being injured, maimed, or killed during a war. Why don't you show the pictures of the fellow Iraqis that set off the bombs or initiated the ambush? Show the pictures of the Islamic extremists willing to die rather than vote for a national leader.
No pictures? I thought not.
Regardless of my stance on how Iraq is being handled now, I still believe that we should have never gone in the first place. My country needs to stop playing God with places like Iraq. We have no right to be there. My vote reflects exactly that.
The problem, now, is that people like myself are more informed than they used to be. When our congress voted to be able to invade Iraq only one senator took the stand that I felt was needed. Dennis Kucinich was the only senator to stand up to all those brutish politicians and their greed for war in Iraq. My candidate runs for office today and I shall vote for him because he wants to immediately pull the troops out of Iraq. We don't belong there and our soldiers are being killed daily.
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posted April 13, 2004 04:46 AM |
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Can some one please define the meaning of "Consis's kind"?
1)Anyone who disagrees with Svarog 2)Anyone who can distinguish between propaganda/one sided stories and the truth 3)Americans who are not communist
Am I close?
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posted April 13, 2004 05:17 AM |
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Wow, I'm two thirds Consisist
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posted April 13, 2004 06:53 AM |
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Priorities
Redhawk Dude,
Here's my advice if you are really going to pull duty in Iraq...
1. Stop worrying about what computer specs you'll need to connect to the folks back home.
2. Start familiarizing yourself with how to identify terrorists and potential terrorist threats.
3. Do not become an easy target for the enemy. Ensure you keep a low profile, change your daily routines every now-and-then, and always keep up your guard.
4. Memorize the Rules of Engagement, along with the common arabic phrases that apply.
5. Remember your General Orders for Sentries if you have to stand watch.
We will all be here in 6 months when you are finished, so do not worry about internet issues. Instead, ensure you prepare yourself for any situation that will help get you back alive.
Just stay safe and get back alive.
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redhawk
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posted April 13, 2004 06:53 AM |
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First off, I respect everyone of your posts Consis, Please continue. PH., We have alot in common in the way we think, your intire posts are exactly how I see things. I also agree with consis in that we should have never went in to begin with, but consis, PH. is right on the money, we cannot just pull out, that would turn Iraq into another Somalia. hamsi, you need to show the good with the bad if you are to be correct in your arguements.
Now, Svarog I have considered you to be just and fair and very open minded, but for you to say that it is the cowboy way so to speak hurts! I am a simple country boy, I go to church, I say grace, I say maam. I open doors for everyone,( not just women ) I greet people with a smile and A handshake. I am A COWBOY on A little horse ranch in America.
I am also A noncomissioned Officer in the U.S. Army and if you still don't know me well enough to know what kind of values I have, then you only need to read the creed of the NCO of the U.S. Army. If I had A copy of it and could scan it, I would post it here for you and everyone else to read. No soldier under my control, will ever commit those offenses wich you seem to think that we do on A daily basis. I don't shoot until shot at, I don't shoot to wound or to kill, I SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT!!
I also spent 5 years as A police officer, I know A little bit about what its like to live with the knowledge of having to have taken A human life, It's Hard and painful and I will never forget it.That SVAROG is who I am.
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posted April 13, 2004 03:56 PM |
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I'm sure you got my point, as I'm sure you agree with it. I certainly didn't mean to offend you or anything. I was just irritated by such careless behavior in Gootch's post that assossiates me to the Wild West, and I truly think America has long ago passed that.
Be proud with your "cowboy" heritage, don't pay attention to what anyone says. It's just that this "cowboy" term is often used to express the macho-shooting type of arrogant Americans in the rest of the world.
PS: ha ha. Very funny, Wolfie. Just the fact that I didn't say that.
**has a vision of the future** I'm sensing that an unidentified male will post some absurd stuff about we being off topic. To tell you in advance, unknown charachter, this is a thread about an American soldier that will likely be deployed to Iraq, which is currently under US occupation. How then is Iraq and US off topic?!
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pietjebell
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posted April 13, 2004 04:10 PM |
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This has all nothing to do with the question asked
Maybe you should all go and take this frustrated discussion on USA & Iraq to another topic?
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hamsi128
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posted April 13, 2004 08:30 PM |
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hamsi, you need to show the good with the bad if you are to be correct in your arguements.
first of all redhawk i respect to you and to your job as army... my problem is with the people like consis and his kind... its so easy to write arguments behind a monitor... i live in a country(NATO member) in middleeast and i was in ''warm places'' during my army service... i can say the truth, khayman can say the truth , you can say the truth after 3 months BUT CONSIS can't.. he only speculates..
this is full crap... its unfair .... reading articles and posting here full crap from miles away...
well i ignore consis most of time but in some cases like events in my backdoor i cant resist... good luck redhawk ..
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posted April 14, 2004 02:18 AM |
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Thanks to the both of you, I now understand that the assult was not directed specifically towards me. I have lots on my mind recently and its hard to see into some of the posts.
Kayman- You need to realize that my abillities as a soldier are not a big concern of mine, I am always keeping up with training and I am good at my job. The new soldiers that I have under me need some work, but I will get them there and back Alive, God willing. Having my laptop and internet is just A way to relax and ease the tention of being over there and away from family and friends, thats all.
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posted April 14, 2004 02:29 AM |
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Anyone who served in the military, and still wants a war to continue, thats the kind I have a problem with.
For the warmongers who depend on the enemy for smiles. For the ones who are proud of who their government and who their military actions are for because they are into "the war"
Anyone who wouldn't volenteer to stop the war along with everyone else minding their own buisness.
Thats who my prob is with. I'm not on sides, and I wish no one else was either.
one definition of war, is to break the enemies will to fight. So that the enemy is weak and accepts terms and conditions. I have a bigger problem with anyone who suports usama no matter what he dose. Usama can be right in some ways, but he would rather see us blister because of his insanity, rather than be a suporter of humanity.
edit again: I dont think i have a moral prob with ya'll just for the record
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posted April 14, 2004 07:22 PM |
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What an amazing maylay between several people who appear to me to largely agree with one another.
I'll tell you guys, the fact that many of you find things in one anothers' posts to get upset about despite this fact just tells us how contentious this whole Iraq thing really is. The hell of it is I think redhawk's original question was one about keeping in touch online while he was over there, not staying alive or ideological concerns.
PH, your posts, particularly your observations on the distinction between national ideology and an individual soldier having to survive on a day-to-day basis, voice my thoughts precisely. So I will merely second them. I will make one clear observation though, and that is that I am having trouble making the distinction myself when it comes to a few terrorist rabblerousers causing mayhem and death for everybody over there. They are prolonging US involvement when it is US involvement they are allegedly fighting against. I've had about enough of lunatic-fringe religious zealots on both sides of this frigging fence.
Hamsi, hoping my last comment was not offensive, take it only in the interest I have that innocents should stop suffering. I know this is a loaded question, but what are your feelings about the connections between this current situation and the crusades? Do you find any symbolic or real significance in relation to that time? I just wondered because of your observations/connection between the idea of "knights" and this action somehow being "holy" allegedly in the minds of Americans. The reason I am asking is because there may be more of a connection to our cultural/religious historical trajectory than Americans themselves are aware of, which may be why you get such an adverse response when thinking and posting along those lines.
I don't expect you to answer this here because I know I'm asking for a real round of abuse for this question along with its answer. But I really want to know, and perhaps it would help people not so familiar with the historical connections between the Middle East and the West to hear it from someone closer to the region. I get the general impression that folks just dont' have any idea of the weight of symbolism behind our (US) being there.
So anyway, if you prefer to respond via e-mail then feel free. I do wish you would post here because people might get something out of it. We need more representation from people from the region in this dialogue or else it will serve little realistic purpose, except for people to continue shouting into their own echochambers of speculation, myself included.
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