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I think it can be used in a matured society that has roughly equal value of both genders (ie: Not China, Japan, the Middle East, etc) if both parents agree and have thought it through. Though personally, I would only ever use this if my child had a genetic dysfunction (Like Narcolepsy, which is a common trait in my family...) so that I could cure my child and he or she could have a hopefully rather normal life. Everything else, I leave up to chaos!
@ Elodin: We're talking about genetic modification sir, not embryo murder or cute little babies (Well, not directly). 
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posted September 26, 2012 03:16 AM |
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Well, where do you draw the line at "dysfunction". Does it have to be life threatening? Debilitating? Socially stygmatic? Would you intervene to prevent Down Syndrome? Albinism? ... Homosexuality?
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posted September 26, 2012 04:48 AM |
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Well, where do you draw the line at "dysfunction". Does it have to be life threatening? Debilitating? Socially stygmatic? Would you intervene to prevent Down Syndrome? Albinism? ... Homosexuality?
Seeing as I'm bisexual, not homosexuality; albinos are cool but it sucks to be one. Maybe I'd keep the red eyes but for sure I would like for my child not to get cancer because his/her skin has no pigament; I don't really think there's a genetic predeterminer for being the subject of social stygma so... BTW, what's with the sudden interrogation?
To everything else, yes. As I said, a normal life is what I want my child/ children to have. Anything that I didn't address on your list will be incredibly detrimental to the child's health or ability to function normally. I did mention my genetic predisposition for Narcolepsy for a reason Cor. My sister, aunt and grandmother all have it, and if science can remove even the chance of my child developing this condition then I say it should be able to.
Where would you draw that line?
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posted September 26, 2012 10:34 AM |
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So sooner or later we will have some kind of formular where you order your baby the way you like it?
blahh..
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posted September 26, 2012 10:44 AM |
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Don't you see the potential?! Perfect kids! I wonder if they can implement rubber skins, so that I can toss my child across the room and no harm will come of it. Possibilities are limitless!
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posted September 26, 2012 01:08 PM |
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kind of formular where you order your baby the way you like it?
I think this predetermination will cause much more problems,than positive effects it's aimed to offer.
The very danger I see-discrimination even before the child is born!
So the parrents,who does not care what is best for the child(normal life) and are thinking only about themselves should determine his whole life in the future?
The police in your country could provide very long list of unresponsible and corrupted parrents,who are treating a child in as many bad conditions as they are able to.
I think there is also the danger of it becoming a business.
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posted September 26, 2012 02:27 PM |
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Perhaps this was disturbing news.
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posted September 26, 2012 03:05 PM |
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The very danger I see-discrimination even before the child is born!
On the contrary, perhaps it will end discrimination because people can weed out traits they don't like before people are even born...
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posted September 26, 2012 03:11 PM |
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Discrimination will always exist, it will just be cross-culture and against parents that could not afford the procedure/ their children. Since other cultures value different things (usually) and not conforming to the cultural norm is apparently a sin against nature (if you read any modern pop media...) not having a child that is the norm would be "Bad."
Another problem comes when you have basically clone babies that look the same, "Perfect" if you will. How the hell do you tell the little buggers apart?
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posted September 26, 2012 08:34 PM |
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So sooner or later we will have some kind of formular where you order your baby the way you like it?
We're nowhere near that yet.
BTW if anybody hasn't seen Gattaca yet they should go do so right now. What's being currently discussed is pretty much the technology that was featured in the movie. Every parent would have a selection of zygotes to choose from for their children. Each zygote would represent a "slate" of characteristics. Each slate would therefore have a different set of disease susceptibilities of differing magnitudes. Each slate would also have a set of random mutations inherited from both parents.
I should mention at this point the out of the 10,000 genes in the human genome, one quarter are only expressed in the brain. Aside from some extreme disease susceptibilities I would prioritize the well functioning of these genes, as I believe almost all parents would. In fact I have a hard time seeing any parent bypassing all this important stuff merely to pick some arbitrary characteristics like hair, eyes, physical appearance, or sexual orientation.
Widespread use of this kind of technology will be inevitable for any modern industrialized society. Anybody who truly understands evolution will know this to be true.
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posted September 27, 2012 02:44 AM |
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Gattaca isn't particularly good if you wanted to discuss genetic engineering and society. Its entire fairytail is about segregation, a a class society, where the spark is what choice parents had when they made their children. Its a serious parody, where the point is misaimed and misinterprented.
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So, Planned Parenthood now comes right out and says the law should not protect babies that survive abortion. Their position is the mother should be allowed to bash his little skull in if she wants to. Progressivism at its finest.
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A representative from Planned Parenthood is raising some eyebrows for her response to questioning on Florida legislation that would require baby's born alive during a botched abortion to receive medical care.
Alisa LaPolt Snow, a lobbyist with the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified this week at a committee hearing on the bill, sparking expressions of disbelief when she underscored that such matters be left to the woman, her family and her physician.
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One of the lawmakers asked her what Planned Parenthood's position would be if a baby is born as a result of a botched abortion.
"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician," she said.
When another lawmaker asks her specifically what Planned Parenthood does when such a scenario happens at its clinics, she said simply, "I do not have that information."
Another lawmaker made the point that the baby born alive would become a patient as well, not just the mother.
"That's a very good question," Snow said. "I really don't know how to answer that."
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So sooner or later we will have some kind of formular where you order your baby the way you like it?
blahh..
As long as the modifications aren't bad for the child, what's the problem?
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posted March 30, 2013 02:32 PM |
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So PP is pointing out there is several elephants in the room, and all you get is a misaligned quote? GJ Elodin.
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I fail to see where anyone is advocating bashing skulls in. Sounds more like misrepresentation at it's finest, Elodin.
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posted March 30, 2013 04:20 PM |
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What is a botched abortion?
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It is when the abortionist tries to kill the baby in the womb but fails and the baby is delivered alive.
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I fail to see where anyone is advocating bashing skulls in. Sounds more like misrepresentation at it's finest, Elodin.
Not really. PP is saying if the baby survives the abortion there should be no requirement to render aid to the baby. They want to be free to let the baby die, and indeed they have done so in failed abortions before.
Obama defended the practice of leaving abortion survivers to die while a state senator in Illinois. Probably that is the reason PP is coming out so boldly now and saying they should not be required to aid abortion survivors.
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posted March 30, 2013 05:02 PM |
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So sooner or later we will have some kind of formular where you order your baby the way you like it?
blahh..
As long as the modifications aren't bad for the child, what's the problem?
And who is the one who decides what is good or bad for the baby? The parents? And all parents have enough "brain" to chose the "right" thing? Why is it not ALL parents are allowed to adopt a baby? With good reasons I say...
So I am not sure how a baby of Marylin Manson would look a like...
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Not really. PP is saying if the baby survives the abortion there should be no requirement to render aid to the baby. They want to be free to let the baby die, and indeed they have done so in failed abortions before.
Even if we take you at your word here, letting someone die through witholding aid is a fair bit different than actively "bashing their skulls in". If you want people to respect your opinion, Elodin, it'd be best if you avoided shock hyperbole.
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