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madmartigan
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posted May 28, 2004 01:19 PM

Poll Question:
If I were God ...

If you were God:

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The world I would have created would have been a much better place to live in
I could not have done better than the current one
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privatehudson
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posted May 28, 2004 03:31 PM

... I wouldn't require people to worship me
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madmartigan
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posted May 28, 2004 05:56 PM
Edited By: madmartigan on 28 May 2004

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... I wouldn't require people to worship me


That would not make you much of a god then, wouldn't it?

Anyways, my aim is to see what peeps, who have faith in some god, think about their god and his/her creation.
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privatehudson
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posted May 28, 2004 07:25 PM

It wouldn't make me much like the god of our current religions no But I don't like our current religions
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posted May 28, 2004 07:59 PM

you people are so weird

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posted May 28, 2004 08:01 PM

I was thinking the same thing..
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posted May 28, 2004 08:34 PM

First of all, God doesn't exist, so it would be impossible to be him. But if I were allmighty, I would do 2 things.First, I would make everybody see the beauty of life, so as to be happy. If that wouldn't work, I would destroy the world in the blink of an eye.
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Aquaman333
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posted May 28, 2004 08:58 PM

Actually he does exist, and if I were him, I would be more influential. Like a leader. If bin Laden was giving people a hard time, I would smite him.
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posted May 28, 2004 09:17 PM

Thus endeth free will...
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posted May 28, 2004 09:27 PM

Aquaman, family guy is a good show
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posted May 28, 2004 09:37 PM

That post is off topic, if I ever saw one!

Free will is so over rated...kidding.  Absolute power corrupts absolutly, so you don't know what you would do.
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posted May 28, 2004 10:01 PM

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Free will is so over rated...kidding. Absolute power corrupts absolutly, so you don't know what you would do.



By that logic, god is the most corrupt being in the universe

Anyway I was amused by the free-will notion. For so long, every time anybody dared to ask a christian why the holocaust and so on happened were (usually) told that god allows us free will and will not interefere. I would find it ironic (assuming he's a christian) that his first act would be to remove that
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posted May 29, 2004 03:12 PM

First God hasn't been corrupted by power yet, so I don't think I'd become corrupt with power. Second, I was insinuating that I would act as a governing power. If a person does something wrong, he would be punished now rather than after he died. I also think that preventing the Holocaust, 9/11, etc. is a little more important than preserving free will.
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posted May 29, 2004 04:12 PM

I'm intruiged to know how we are so sure that god has not been corrupted. I'm even more intruiged to see that you would allow free will, as long as it agreed with your ideals of good of course.

Not that I count 9/11 as good, I'm just intruiged to see that one of the things a lot of christians say is god's greatest gift and biggest proof of his love would be the first thing that would go...
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posted May 29, 2004 04:32 PM

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I'm intruiged to know how we are so sure that god has not been corrupted. I'm even more intruiged to see that you would allow free will, as long as it agreed with your ideals of good of course.

Not that I count 9/11 as good, I'm just intruiged to see that one of the things a lot of christians say is god's greatest gift and biggest proof of his love would be the first thing that would go...


Your reading too much into this. God established his view of good with the Ten Commandments, why is this any different? All I'm doing is taking care of what God waits to do until after the offender has died, while he/she is still alive. That would give people a visible example, therefore people would be more reluctant to commit acts that I'd deem "bad". People who disbelieve in God can commit a bad act with only a wound to their morality as punishment, so they feel the only thing stopping them is law of the government. They don't have any worry of being punished in the next life because they don't believe in a next life. This way they can see exactly what happens when you break a rule of a certain magnitude.
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posted May 29, 2004 05:05 PM

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Your reading too much into this. God established his view of good with the Ten Commandments, why is this any different?


It's the view of many christians that god also believes in the theory of forgiveness, no matter the crime, hence the belief that only god can judge good from evil and punish it thus. Punishing it on earth therefore is not visibly done as god's followers will often act it out for him. Of course there is the theory that this would lead to anarchy if followed to an extreme, it does intruige me though to see that not all christians follow that belief. Often christians will cite the idea that forcing humans to behave in certain patterns with such obvious punishment if they do and no hope of redemption is to create a species of robots in god's mould.

All I'm doing is comparing your way of running the world with God's as they clearly do not totally match. I find it interesting to note the differences in a religion and it's followers and how what is once used as a defence by some christians is at the same time thrown out by others if they had a chance. It further impacts on the commandments, if the theory of ruling a people should be by example, punishing someone by killing them or similar would be against the commandments set up by God or yourself if you agree with them. That would further lead to your followers assisting in this process as it has done in the past. Both 9/11 and the Holocaust were started by people who had at least some belief that they were acting out god's will after all...

Just trying to envisage how it would impact on your followers


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posted May 29, 2004 05:16 PM

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It's the view of many christians that god also believes in the theory of forgiveness, no matter the crime, hence the belief that only god can judge good from evil and punish it thus. Punishing it on earth therefore is not visibly done as god's followers will often act it out for him. Of course there is the theory that this would lead to anarchy if followed to an extreme, it does intruige me though to see that not all christians follow that belief. Often christians will cite the idea that forcing humans to behave in certain patterns with such obvious punishment if they do and no hope of redemption is to create a species of robots in god's mould.

All I'm doing is comparing your way of running the world with God's as they clearly do not totally match. I find it interesting to note the differences in a religion and it's followers and how what is once used as a defence by some christians is at the same time thrown out by others if they had a chance. It further impacts on the commandments, if the theory of ruling a people should be by example, punishing someone by killing them or similar would be against the commandments set up by God or yourself if you agree with them. That would further lead to your followers assisting in this process as it has done in the past. Both 9/11 and the Holocaust were started by people who had at least some belief that they were acting out god's will after all...

Just trying to envisage how it would impact on your followers




God has punished with death before(Moses), but I don't think I would use it. God tends to seem to use torture, as in Hell. So I wouldn't be a hypocrit as long as I don't use killing, which I might add is NOT against the Ten Commandments, MURDER is against the Ten Commandments.

On a side note, I am not most Christians, so the generalizations made in a few of the posts in this thread aren't applicable in every situation. For instance, I'm a Protestant Christian(Lutheran, more specifiaclly), so I don't believe in Purgatory, Saint Worship, or Church sanctioned Salvation, so if I were God, I wouldn't have any of this, does that make me a hypocrit? No.
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posted May 29, 2004 06:38 PM

I don't remember saying you were a hypocrite, I called it ironic and intruiging. As for the commandment, it can be translated in two ways, kill or murder. In the King James bible it was kill, but many argued against this translation as it meant that animals could not be killed for food and so on. Many translations do not say murder though. Either way, torture or murder would almost inevitably lead to followers attempting to recreate your judgement themselves. God using torture as in hell also requires the person to die...

Also your defensive tone of that post wasn't exactly warranted considering that all I said was that I found it interesting to see the differences in christian beliefs. I don't recall saying that I expected you to hold the same beliefs as a catholic for example. However the example of being able to be saved through jesus for anyone I'm given to understand is pretty universal. Therefore direct action without enabling the perpatrators to reconsider and maybe repent their actions does seem to me to be strange.

However, I rather agree that the action-consequence theory is good, I just don't equate it precisely with common christian theory.
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posted May 29, 2004 07:32 PM

Speaking of free will

As far as I know, GOD granted "free will" to man, and man is punished or rewarded as a consequence of the choices he made with his "free will". In addition to this, as far as I know, the omnipotent GOD is referred as the ALMIGHTY who knows everything that has happened is happening and will happen. That his knowledge of the past, the present and the future is unquestionable. That is where my dilemma begins: if the almighty knows everything - including future - then how come it is possible for me to make a "choice" that he doesn't already know. In other words, if he knows what my choice will be, will it be my own choice or the one that he knows? If he already knows I will choose "good", do I really have to "free will" to choose "good" or "bad". If he knows that I will choose "good", will it be my "free will" that made me choose "good" or his unquestionable knowledge of the fact that I have already chosen "good"? If he already knows that I will choose "good", wouldn't it be defying his "knowledge of the future" if I somehow chose bad when the time came (considering I have a "free will")?

Consequently: If he knows that I will choose "evil", and due to this I do not have the power to change this - his knowledge of the fact that I will choose "evil" - , how come he goes angry with me becuz I chose "evil" and punishes me for eternal torture in hell?
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posted May 29, 2004 08:43 PM

Free Will

I can't believe I'm going to respond to this thread. I was trying to ignore it until Madmartigan decided to write quite the logical post. **sigh**...Madmartigan, you have a point. Unfortunately it's in a worthless thread.

Personally, I don't believe that God has foresight of the future. Some religions believe this but not me. I believe that he is all knowing and ever present(i.e. attendance, NOT the present time) in regards to the here and now. I don't believe in time travel or anything even related to time itself. I don't even believe that there is such a thing as time.

I believe time to be a relative fictional notion conjured up by the human mind to define a process of aging(i.e. slow and gradual breaking down of molecular and cellular bonds), nothing more. Since time does not exist to me, neither can any possible God, that I may or may not believe in, have power over it. Life is as life does. I believe that if there is a God, then he/she watches and waits to see what we shall do with the choices placed before us. What we choose determines our afterlife existence, or so I believe.....

Anyone who wants to debate time would probably enjoy watching Star Trek movies and t.v. shows. I like the idea of exploring space but time travel bores me to no end.
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