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pandora
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posted July 26, 2004 10:06 PM
Edited By: pandora on 19 Jul 2005

Tavern Complaints/Feedback from Community

Please do not spam in this thread. All off-topic posts will be considered spam in this thread, you will receive a warning followed by a penalty if the spamming persists. If it's not a complaint or feedback, then it's off-topic. If you disagree with a complaint or feedback, then go ahead and post it; it's still on-topic.

This is where you file complaints or just input for tavern specific things. This is also the place to help clean the forum. If you think that a thread is full of spam, then just mention it here. If you think a thread should be moved to another forum, then post it here. DO NOT POST IT IN THE THREAD THAT SHOULD BE MOVED. That only makes the thread messy. If you think someone should get a QP, you can post it here as well.




This thread is a great opportunity to help make this forum the best it can be, the moderators aren't all-knowing and the more you help us - the more we can help you

If you don't feel comfortable posting it here for all to see, then just send the mods an IM



The last complaints thread has been closed due to excessive spam and offtopic discussion, let's not have that happen again~~ thanks!
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posted July 26, 2004 10:11 PM

Stefan posed some really good questions in the last thread, I'm reposting those here now as I think they are a great place for us to restart.

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What do you think about thread/board commercial?

What do you think about spam, do we have a spam problem here?

What is there do it about it?
Do you think the mods are doing enough about it?

Is there favoritism?

if so, why dont you think the mods know about it?
what would you like to do about it?

if not, do you think this can scare mods from giving bonuses/penalties?

How do you think they can act to be more fair in other peoples eyes too?

Do you think POTM should be reintroduced?

What do you think about the moderators?

Do you think they are missing something?

Do you think they are doing something better than former ones?

Is there something you approve/disapprove about them doing alot?


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posted July 27, 2004 03:33 AM
Edited By: Dingo on 27 Jul 2004

What do you think about thread/board commercial?

I think advertising threads is good, because it encourages members to see what quality is.  It helps them see more of the community.  About advertising boards, I don't like it but I don't mind too much.

What do you think about spam, do we have a spam problem here?

Yes, I do think we have a SPAM problem.

What is there do it about it?
Do you think the mods are doing enough about it?

SPAM is very hard to control, or stop.  Wastelands helps in a way, but it actually causes more SPAM.  It's just that most of it is in the VW.  No, I don't think MODs are doing enough about it.

Is there favoritism?

Yes, I would say there is a little bit of favoritism.  But I don't think it is causeing problems.

if so, why dont you think the mods know about it?
what would you like to do about it?

There's not enough favoritism for it to matter.

if not, do you think this can scare mods from giving bonuses/penalties?

I don't think so.

How do you think they can act to be more fair in other peoples eyes too?

I believe that the MODs here at HC are very fair.

Do you think POTM should be reintroduced?

No, POTM is fun but its just more work for the MODs.  Some months go by where HC is just boring.

What do you think about the moderators?

I believe that the MODs, especially the new ones are very good MODs.  They are fair, understanding, neutral, and are willing to improve the community.  I think that since RSF has left HC, we need a couple more MODs in the Tavern.

Do you think they are missing something?

No.

Do you think they are doing something better than former ones?

Yes, I rarely saw the old MODs do anything.  The new MODs, are doing a great job.

Is there something you approve/disapprove about them doing alot?

Not that I know of.
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posted July 28, 2004 09:16 AM

What do you think about thread/board commercial?

Board commercials are useful, when people search for other similar communities, and as far as they see a link in the top or somewhere, they often follow it (I do). So I think it is good.
No opinion about thread commercial.

What do you think about spam, do we have a spam problem here?

Every board has spammers, so does HC.

What is there do it about it?
Do you think the mods are doing enough about it?


Well, it is hard to stop the spam spreading, fortunately there are spam forums like VW, where the spammers can "play", so they don't spend so much time flooding other, serious forums. Floodprotect is a good way, but sometimes it bugs me too.
I don't think mods can do much to stop spam, just delete spam threads, but it is complicated anyway.

Is there favoritism?

Yes, a little.

if so, why dont you think the mods know about it?
what would you like to do about it?


There's nothing much to do about it, it's not a big problem here.

if not, do you think this can scare mods from giving bonuses/penalties?

It depends on the mod.

How do you think they can act to be more fair in other peoples eyes too?

Well, every one of them has his/her own rules and methods of controling the forum, so it is difficult to just tell "do this and that".

Do you think POTM should be reintroduced?

It is not necessary, but it would be fun indeed.

What do you think about the moderators?

It's hard to control a large board, so I think they're doing fine. The good thing is that they stay neutral most of the time, and forgiving for the newbies.

Do you think they are missing something?

Hmm.. not sure, I guess no?

Do you think they are doing something better than former ones?

New mods are definately more active than the old ones, as I've noticed.

Is there something you approve/disapprove about them doing alot?

No.

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posted July 29, 2004 12:33 AM

Let me give it a try What do you think about thread/board commercial?Theres plenty that come & go all the time.
Theres no need to waste valuable & time for comercials.

What do you think about spam, do we have a spam problem here?
Theres always a spam problem just like a toss problem.

What is there do it about it?
Do you think the mods are doing enough about it?

Nothing we can really do about it because I dont think they really mean to spam it just comes naturally & we just have to deal with it or take the basic deleting procedures.

Is there favoritism? Yes there is rarely any Neutral mods that I seen.

if so, why dont you think the mods know about it?
what would you like to do about it?
Nothing we can do about it because this is the mods place.
I dont think the mods really think about it.

if not, do you think this can scare mods from giving bonuses/penalties?

How do you think they can act to be more fair in other peoples eyes too?
DO thier job & dont take thangs so seriously & have fun.
No reason to get overworked at all.

Do you think POTM should be reintroduced?
Not sure what this is.

What do you think about the moderators?I like almost all of them but i think some that left recently were a bit unfair on how they treated other mods 7 how they played a role to try to out best the other mods.

Do you think they are missing something?
Hard to be perfect.

Do you think they are doing something better than former ones?Problem is that the newer mods try too hard to try to make a forum better & thats good but in some ways there was no need to.

Is there something you approve/disapprove about them doing alot?
Of course not but when they do somethang that I dont think is right then I will speak out.







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posted July 30, 2004 11:21 PM

Thanks for the input guys

I think the spam thing is something that we can't just snap our fingers and get rid of, but we're all trying to get it under control - in time we will!

POTM stands for poster of the month Acu.

As for favortism, I really dunno that the question applies here anymore, as it stands the three of us modding this forum are too new to really have this be an issue.

Obviously we're going to have people that we're closer to than others - but unless that influences any of our decisions, it shouldn't matter.

I personally don't think that the Tavern really needs to be modded that severely - and much prefer to think of myself as just any other poster who has the ability to fix any problems if they come up. So far as I can tell, people here don't need to be babysat and that's fine with me!

So far as any policing or political correctness goes my stance is kinda 'Ptttbbthhh' on that

Follow the CoC, have fun and we should have no worries here.

Thanks again to those of you that answered, if anyone else has any ideas or thoughts lets keep em coming!





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posted July 31, 2004 02:58 AM

Exactly what another mod did but look what happened.
Be careful lol.
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posted August 01, 2004 05:25 AM
Edited By: Asmodean on 6 Aug 2004

Heres my first complaint but it's nothing bad or no.
I think the tavern has enough mods in here & as muchas I can compliment on Pandora, I believe she has the ma hm hmmm Woman power to really rock in the tavern as a mod lol.

Your right you can relax & if theres a problem then deal with it.
Thats what I been trying to say to Sox.
Thats also what hun did to, Have fun & only use her power when needed & she gets booted for it.

Well the complaint is Sox said that he wants a replacement in the tavern.
I think it dont need many mods at all.
He should have faith in you guys.
Not really seen Asmodan do much but maybe he has i dont know but hes having fun.

Thats all I was trying to say to him, not have all this happen all at once.

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posted August 06, 2004 02:26 PM

The Down Town Tavern

Okay... enough please.

The moderators of this forum have said that we would consider moving the DTT back if the posts improved in quality.

We have said why. We have made ourselves completely available to discuss the matter, as well as answer any questions as to why the original decision was made.

Re-opening the thread was not the right move

No one has any personal vendettas here, tho i'm sure that's how it's percieved. We just want the Tavern to be the best it can be. Thats without the spam.

RealDeal, I know you're going to take this personally - and its not meant as such whether you choose to believe it or not. However a decision was made by the tavern mods and you openly spit on that decision - and that will not be tolerated.

If you have complaints, they go here. You should know that by now... Blatant defiance isn't the best way to go.


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posted August 06, 2004 02:41 PM

All your reasons just didn't work.
One of your reasons were "insults" Well, that also goes for almost every other thread, but these so called insults were made in humour, like in all the other threads. But is it really my problem that we don't share the same humour?

We talked about everyday things. So does everyone else.

I seriously don't see the problem with DTT being in Tavern of the rising sun.

You PROMISED that even if it was in Tavern of the rising sun, or Volcanic wastelands, that that would'nt change anything. Seen that our post count is at an all time low? No take a nice hard long guess about what has happend.
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posted August 06, 2004 02:53 PM

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One of your reasons were "insults" Well, that also goes for almost every other thread,
Examples please?
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posted August 06, 2004 03:04 PM

The reason that your threads posts are at a low is likely that your posters aren't posting... If the thread is loved by all what on earth is the difference between clicking the Volcanic Wastelands forum rather than Tavern of the Rising Sun? There's none.

Let me refresh you somewhat  tho, this is what I said about DTT in the last 'complaints' thread:

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Now about the DTT, let me try to explain , likely I'll fail but here goes... DTT was created for a select few members to chit-chat. Posts are very often one lined messages back to the previous poster, much of what is in DTT could easily be communicated over IM as it only involves those in direct conversation: IE : poster a) I'm going out Poster b) with who? and so on and so on. Its not interesting to anyone but those involved.

I would say that for the most part, DTTers are not spending any longer to think about what they're posting than the time it takes to type it. This is what classifies it as being Wastelands worthy as opposed to Tavern in my opinion.



And Asmodean's response to you was this:
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You are basing your assumptions on things that you know are wrong.
The DTT was moved because of the style of thread that it is. Any other reasons that you stated are not applicable, and in some cases - plain wrong.
Myself and Mighty Mage (both Mods) posted in that thread, and there were funny moments in it. There are members posting in that thread that have been there longer than I have.
The profanity caused people to look more closely at the thread and there was a vote between the three Tavern Mods at the time.
All 3 of us decided the thread should be moved. If you want to have it moved back then it is up to you to change the style of the thread to fit in with the Tavern ethos.
If you are not willing to do that then the thread will stay in the Wastelands


I see absolutely no change in the thread whatsoever, and yes I do read it.

I promised you that the thread will not be deleted, and I am monitoring it to see if any improvements are made - but they just haven't been at all.

As for your comment about the insults Real Deal, i think you're definately confusing insults and humour. With regards to your re-opened thread you insulted Sir Stiven, Xarfax and Lich_king - those comments were not humour, but as I was moving the thread anyways I chose not to make issue of it.




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posted August 06, 2004 03:08 PM

Did you notice what they wrote? I wrote at the top "do not write this" What did they do? So don't turn that on me. You PROMISED that things would go on as they did in the past with DTT. Well it isn't going that way, now is it?
To make an example. Try moving Tossers Tavern to the wastelands.. Just for a month, see if it gets the same number of posts as it used to. If your sure in your case, you'll do it.

So what if the posts were small? Seriously?
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posted August 06, 2004 03:14 PM
Edited By: pandora on 6 Aug 2004

CoC Revisited...

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SPAM or Junk Posts are not allowed at Heroes Community, except for the Volcanic Wastelands forum. Junk post is a post that fails to address the topic of discussion and fails to provide intellectual or humorous stimulation. Put simply: off topic, not interesting, not funny. These three judgements will be made by a moderator of the forum in question. Spam posts will be deleted and a request to stop spamming will be issued from the moderator. Ignoring moderators' requests and continuing spaming activity will attract consequent penalties and/or silencing. If you feel like your post was considered spam when in fact it is not, you should raise an issue in Turban Tribunal forum. Creating excessive amount of threads in a short amount of time is considered flooding and will be dealt with as SPAM. Creating large amount of replies that contain one or two sentences in a short amount of time is also considered SPAM. Note that large amount of short replies and SPAM are allowed in the Volcanic Wastelands forum.


You know I feel like a stuck record with the CoC, but the answers you seek are so often there...

And again, to repeat myself the location of the thread should do nothing to deter posters... seems that Ruby was the straw that stirred the drink over there, and she's away - could it not be that your lack of posts = lack of Ruby?

Listen, I'm telling you that if your thread stops being a chit-chat spam thread I have no problem moving it back, but you guys have to make that change. I don't post there so the threads content is not on me.



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posted August 06, 2004 03:29 PM

Great. Just our second place that's either not there, or we aren't welcome. Just great.

Not all posts were 1-2 lines, we had our little rap contest going with ALOT of lines. Guess what, you didn't like em because we were swearing(i have complained about that, due to it making sense) But everytime we try something, we can't. If i took offence when people joked around, with me being the victim, there would be more posts in volcanic Wastelands, so don't start your "People might take offence"-mishnugginah.
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posted August 06, 2004 03:43 PM
Edited By: pandora on 6 Aug 2004

So your arguement is that you don't always make 1-2 liner posts, sometimes you swear? and you feel wronged? really?

There is no truth to saying you're not wanted here, what's not wanted here is Spam - plain and simple.

I've seen in other threads that you have no problems thinking before you post, I've found some of your posts to be quite good, if posts like those were to be what you're making in your DTT then there wouldn't be a problem.

The problem is that your thread is pretty much a textbook example of what belongs in the wastelands. I have to read what's in there as a Wastelands mod, and to be honest I'm not a fan - do you know why? beacuse I feel like i'm intruding on some strangers' private conversation. There isn't anything there that a "non-DTT" member can really appreciate.

I understand that you're upset, and for that I am sorry but I don't know how else to make you understand where we're coming from.

I quote CoC at you because Val has given us the CoC as a guideline, we enforce that. You need to try to see that what you are doing in your thread (insults, cursing, refusing to edit posts after being asked - moving the thread back after moderators moved it once, spamming) are all things that have been addressed in the CoC and we are simply acting accordingly.

My turn for a question to you:

Why is it that you refuse to try to improve your thread in order to have it moved back?


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posted August 06, 2004 03:45 PM

Do you really not get it, or are you just pretending? If I posted a poem in a wordgame, the thread would still be a spam thread. Just because there are a few "rap" posts on one page out of 35 in your thread doesn't mean the thread's place is not in the wastelands.
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posted August 06, 2004 03:53 PM

Pan - What posts to be exact?
   - How should i improve it? Should i say "I know you like to post here, because of the freedom and all of that, but heres the thing. We are completely redoing EVERYTHING.
   - Speaking of the private discussion, how do you think i feel when i read the Tossers Tavern thread, and look at something about a girl called maria, thongs, strapons, and so on. There is even tests that you have to do to post there.

Wook - I was just mentioning an exampel. Not saying that that should be the reason we get back in the tavern. And please refrain calling me stupid, in your own subtle way.

Acu - Just say it, you promised that you'd be upfront and not talk in riddles.

On a side note, i would like to know who gave me my 2 QP's.
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posted August 06, 2004 03:56 PM

Reral Deal I read what was going on in the threads & out of your mouth & you are basically attacking the mods, even tho, your not saying it.
Not to mention, you break the rules with others in the DDT swearing & refusing to cover any of it up.
You guys are spoiled basically.

Yalls think you dont have to listen because were not your parents & this is the net.
I think the mods should think about certain ways if reason cant be reached .
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posted August 06, 2004 03:56 PM

Just what test are you talking about? I posted in TT and I didn't do any kind of test.

And if you find that post insulting, then you are oversensitive and should relax. A mug of beer might help, too.
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