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Lord_Woock
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posted September 01, 2004 11:09 AM

All this talk about how inacurate Consis' descriptions of people are makes me want to hear one thing:

According to Consis, what kind of person hides behind the goofy avatar and the name of "Lord_Woock"
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privatehudson
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posted September 01, 2004 11:36 AM
Edited By: privatehudson on 1 Sep 2004

Here's a series of things the guild might want to consider also Svarog:

Should we update our twentieth century Geneva Convention laws to reflect better wars in the twenty first century?

Related Link: http://slate.msn.com/id/2105596/

Is legalisation of soft drugs* the way to go in future?

Michael Moore, champion of downtrodden Americans or a self-serving liar?

Is there a place in the modern world for colonies and/or protectorates like Gibraltar and Cueta or should they be returned to the nations that surround them?**

Is the loss of some personal liberties a small price to pay for the defense of your country?

*"Soft" is a term usually associated with Canabbis and other drugs.

** Cueta is a city that Spain controls that is in Africa.

Not that I intend to debate any of these, just pulling some recent discussions from other forums out of the hat for people to think about
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TheRealDeal
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posted September 01, 2004 01:50 PM

Finally someone mentioned my Viking idea... I've got all the time in the world... xD .. J/K, but i have enough time for it.. Just say when your ready, i'll probably be here at the end of the year.. so..

You haven't seen me debate much, but i think that i can pull it off.. So even though u don't see it, it might still happen.
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Consis
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posted September 01, 2004 03:26 PM
Edited By: Consis on 2 Sep 2004

Lord_Woock?

You want to know what inaccurate opinions I have of you? I generally tend to think of you as very intelligent because of your ability to speak at least two different languages that I know of. You probably speak more than two languages am I right? I think it takes a good deal of natural understanding and education to be able to speak more than one language. I know I am only proficient in a single language. I also think of you as having a very distinct and charismatic sense of humor which you seem to be unaware of. That is why I nominated you to be head of the project for developing HC comics. Perhaps you have a talent for comedy but I haven't yet seen it in action. I would very much like to though. I think the whole community would enjoy your sense of humor.

Does that answer your question? How inaccurate was that?
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Lord_Woock
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posted September 01, 2004 03:42 PM

It is more or less accurate (maybe because there's so much of me on HC that you could study my personality as much as you could ever possibly want ), but it's not really saying much about me I wouldn't really point out the knowledge of two languages as a sign of exceptional intelligence, but then again, why not?
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Consis
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posted September 01, 2004 05:32 PM
Edited By: Consis on 2 Sep 2004

Hmm,


You should give yourself more credit. Learning a foreign language can be a very difficult and complex affair. The only language I've studied outside of English(american english) is German. Through my studies I learned that every language has its own set of unique rules, and not only a set of different rules but also different dialects. I learned that knowing the textbook of the German language does not ensure my being able to speak it proficiently in German-speaking cultures. That is to say that I may not recognize a word spoken in Northern Germany that is considered slang. The same goes for Southern Germany and so on.

Each individual language has the ability to create such subtle nuances that it could, quite possibly, take a person a good portion of their scholastic planning to simply become proficient, much less an expert.

Here in the U.S., being able to speak a second language is VERY valuable. You would be so surprised at how many non-english speaking communities there are here. Don't quote me on this but I would say the most sought after translaters(at current) are those simply proficient in speaking the Mexican-associated form of Spanish. You see you don't realize how truly valuable your linguistic skills are considered to be here in the U.S. Lord_Woock. You would be very useful to most any state containing the communities with which you are familiar to their native tongues. Once again please donot underscore your own value on the subject of linguistic marketability. I know you could be paid well for your services(assuming you were interested and applied yourself with discipline ofcourse).
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TheRealDeal
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posted September 01, 2004 06:27 PM

I know Danish and English, a bit of german, and i've startet learning Spanish. I learned english by the time i was 7, and i've always lived in Denmark. Kinda nifty.

I speak English with an american accent, which my english teacher is really confused about (all hail tv, for that part of it)

While your at it Consis, do one on me aswell
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posted September 01, 2004 10:40 PM

Ooo ooo, pick me, pick me!

Maybe we should restart the HC Yearbook, Consis could be one of the writers.
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Wiseman
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posted September 02, 2004 09:17 AM

I don`t see what all the fuss is about.Large number of
members don`t come from english speaking world and
english is foreign language to them but they, nonetheless
use it here with more or less proficiency.

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Consis
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posted September 02, 2004 03:11 PM
Edited By: Consis on 2 Sep 2004

Wiseman,

I was simply attempting to make the observation of how I recognize the youthful age of many of the Heroes Community members. Many(probably most) are young and haven't yet decided on a career, specialty, field of scholastic interest, etc. I felt the need to remind Lord_Woock of how rewarding a career in linguistics can be. A man/woman could successfully support his/her family from the wages earned as a translater or other such directions of linguistic ability.

Let's try not to forget that the great J.R.R. Tolkien was an honorable Oxford professor of ancient Anglo/Saxon(anglican?) languages. He taught for many years in this field of study and, as I recall, successfully implemented a requirement for the studying of the introductory course for many Brittish educational programs. I believe he was also awarded some sort of highly esteemed Brittish award for this endeavor.

I personally feel that studying languages is not only an honorable profession but can also be quite rewarding, enough at least, to support a family were a person interested in such a thing.

Wolfman & TheRealDeal,

Are you being serious or joking? If you are serious I can use your profile histories to check through your posts and threads to make a determination. But the two of you must realize that what Lord_Woock said is true. My little observations don't describe the real persons that you are. I can only make a very limited observation based on your participation in Heroes Community.
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TheRealDeal
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posted September 02, 2004 05:29 PM

Consis, go to the tavern and look at a specific thread, then you'll know
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Sir_Stiven
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posted September 02, 2004 05:34 PM

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If I may just be permitted to make an observation for a moment?

I type fast, so most of the replies here take me no more than 10 minutes. Now I'll give you an idea of how long it takes me to usually study a topic. Spread out over weeks it usually takes around maybe 10 hours work, if I already have knowledge of it and access to decent books and sources. Anyone notice the difference between one hour and ten? Now if people wish for me to study something I'm not familiar with, or would have to dig for information on such as football or similar, you might as well call it 20 hours minimum. So what you say? Well here's another thought, this week I have had just 4 hours to myself to sit down and persue any study of such things (and that was only because a meeting was cancelled!), and I already have a topic for that, and I'm interested in it. So imagining for a moment if you will that this is an average week in my life, you could expect a minimum of 5 weeks before I could even begin, and that's assuming that I can, and that I want to.

Try to understand the difference between 10 minute posts and 10-20 hours work before I even begin thinking about the debate and the topic, it's not hard to work out that unless it's something I'm very interested in, that I have better things to do with my time.

Furthermore, there is a distinct difference between threads (or part thereof) where I have pointed to research and threads where I have debated something. An example would be the Billy the Kid thread, after pointing out the facts I engaged in a debate about them the morality of his actions based on the time. If you look at the three I suggested here, two are specifically morality issues where facts are helpful, but a stance is needed and must be defended. Try again.

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Thus far I have yet to see PrivateHudson ever post anything that can't already be found in a book somewhere


You clearly don't look very far. Either that or you presume that because someone bases part of their argument on facts, that said argument must be someone elses' design. That would kind of be like me saying that because you take a morale stance against the use of atom bombs on Japan, you must have got that stance from MacArthur. We're all influenced by books, sources and so on, I bet none of us can put forward a theory that we can all claim to be "ours" without finding someone else has expressed it first, does that diminish someone's stance? I think not.

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He is completely against religious association(for reasons I know not) and strictly adheres to facts alone


That's so wrong it's not even funny. Read the defenition of Agnostic properly, I'm no athiest. If I was that, I would have adopted the "ban organised religion" argument.

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Theories donot concern him therefore what is the point with arguing anything with him?


Just because this forum lacks sufficient topics where I have debated theories does not mean I don't. I visit many where I discuss a variety of things, including non-provable things like religion.

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He's very very helpful but he is not a debater. I tend to think of him more as a corrector, someone who sets the facts straight when a poster clearly lies about something.




Well that's very nice of you to say, but hardly accurate to say I cannot debate something just because it doesn't appear here, or fails to come up to your standard of what makes a debating style valid.

I'm always bemused by the way you try to read me consis, at the very least it gives me something to chuckle about in the morning. You're very rarely right though. I appreciate that you mean well consis, but you never quite get it right.

Oh and maybe if I have time in a few months a viking debate might not be beyond me, but we're talking end of the year at least now given hols and what not.

Didn't really want to go into the obvious details about the time thing, but since you all act so smug about it, I guess it was necessary. If I debate something, I like to do it justice and understand the topic, and all aspects of it fully. If you want that, then don't sit there talking to me about "time". I'm fully aware about how much time I have thank you.


so that post with all text and quotes took you 10 minutes to write?

lol...

In that case your fast typing must be as rare as an unedited post from you

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posted September 02, 2004 05:40 PM

For those who are hard of sight as well as thinking, there was the word "most" in that sentence

Either way the point stands.
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posted September 06, 2004 10:06 AM

Asmodean and Svarog are Wrong - I'm right :p

The problem is that both of them are partially right. The reason the two polar opposite arguements cannot be won is because the answer I believe is somewhere in the middle. That in order to argue one side you make a fatal assumption that disagrees with a fact. The underlying fact is that a gene can have both a beneficial and a detrimental effect that may or may not necessarily always be the resulted phenotype. This is commonly true with genetic disorders as well as many other afflictions such as stuttering.

I believe that in the case of stuttering there lies instinct to seek out a place in society where you fit in, however this gives potential to become worried about stuttering thus it develops into a serious affliction.

The logic points to myself being correct in this case, however we can still see who wins the debate.
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posted September 06, 2004 05:28 PM

The one who argues their side the best wins the deebate, remember.  Not the one who you think is particularly correct.  
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posted September 06, 2004 05:40 PM

Tell that to the four who've voted already...
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posted September 06, 2004 06:19 PM

I noticed.
At least it's still even.
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privatehudson
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posted September 06, 2004 06:21 PM

Is there any way of removing those votes or can we count them as non-valid on the basis that they haven't read the rules of the debate beforehand?
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posted September 09, 2004 03:55 PM

not for being the typical pessimist, but something tells me that the most popular member will win the "debates" unless you make some changes that only a certain jury can vote.

Other people votes cant be submitted or the jury votes in posts.. otherwise this will turn into a circus, who has PH the monkey as its masterpiece

just some advice.

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posted September 09, 2004 04:04 PM

*yawns*

The jury system could have some advantages, as you could ask those who vote to state their reasons for doing so so people could see that their opinion was not based on the person. Personally though I'd probably be inclined to vote for the argument I felt was correct after viewing the two rather than which debated stronger specifically.
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