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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: how to attack special bildings effectively?
Thread: how to attack special bildings effectively? This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT»
LordLazy
LordLazy


Promising
Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
posted December 08, 2004 11:47 PM
Edited By: LordLazy on 8 Dec 2004

Read my post and understand it before you write please It were not only this thread I talked about, but also the log thread

Which also had 1 apology btw
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Sir_Stiven
Sir_Stiven


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banned
posted December 08, 2004 11:51 PM

crypts with stronghold?

easy.. unless 160+ diff you should have beths day 2 or 3 unless really poor map.

use the beths, rocs, gobs and fodder and you shouldnt be able to mess up

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Dingo
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posted December 09, 2004 12:40 AM

By what day should I have taken a Utopia?
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tigris
tigris


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posted December 09, 2004 12:32 PM

thanx lord lazy

Your kind words were wellcomed.I was quite shocked the other day reading all those attacks.Xarfax made it clear that it's nothing personal and af far as i'm concearned i'd be glad to hear from him, maybe play a game or so in the 2 on 2 tourney..
As for csarmi, I'm sorry you want it to be like this, i don't know what i have done to upset you in such a way in which to tell me that you have an oppinion about me but you'd rather keep it for you(Sounds like another way to tell someone that he's a fool).Your observations are wellcomed, i even tested the fortress tactic you submitted, and it works good.I had a tactic myself but it involeved wiverns, i'll post your tactic instead cos it's funnier.If you really have something to say to me personally simply email me or IM me cos i really dislike this tense atmosfere around here.Hope to hear from you..
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csarmi
csarmi


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posted December 09, 2004 02:09 PM

The IM system does not really want to work for me. I do not say my opinion about you here because it's a forum - the others have nothing to do with it.

It's nothing special, really. You do not have to worry about it.

As for fortress: going for wyverns that early is often not a good strategy. You need your flies asap, then gorgons and citadel is pretty important too.

Nem beszélsz egész véletlen magyarul? Is "tigris" a roumanian word too?

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LordLazy
LordLazy


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Wood cleaner
posted December 10, 2004 07:49 AM

wyverns day1, flies day2 or vise versa
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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2004 08:33 AM

Quote:
wyverns day1, flies day2 or vise versa


Flies day 1. Lizardmen day 2...

That's what I hate so much about heroes 3: starting environment (starting troops, artifacts and buildings) are way too random.

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tigris
tigris


Supreme Hero
Supreme Noobolator
posted December 10, 2004 10:58 AM

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As for fortress: going for wyverns that early is often not a good strategy. You need your flies asap, then gorgons and citadel is pretty important too.


I know it can be risky to go for wiverns first cos you may run out of wood even on 130%, it happens.I agree sometimes when you don't get lvl 2 building you have to choose between gorgons, hidras or building a castle.
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Nem beszélsz egész véletlen magyarul? Is "tigris" a roumanian word too?

Nem tudom magyarul.Tigris isn't a romanian word, what does it mean in hungarian?
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kwahraps
kwahraps


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posted December 10, 2004 05:45 PM

Quote:
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That's what I hate so much about heroes 3: starting environment (starting troops, artifacts and buildings) are way too random.


That's exactly why I'm still playing . . . . 8)

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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
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posted December 10, 2004 07:59 PM

Tigris means Tiger.

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Ruho
Ruho


Hired Hero
posted December 10, 2004 08:58 PM

Few questions to Xarfax about Medusa Store: Tower Force Feedback -guide. Didn't want to mess up that thread...

Is there some trick or must u use (bless, offensive) spells to make sure those MGs will kill all the Medusas 1st round?  I tested with those stats, skills and Orrin and they had poor change to kill all the Medusas in single shot. Just curious coz u didn't mention other spells than cure.

Then what do u think about formation like this?: NG,NG,NG,MGs,SG,NG,NG. MGs shoot 1st round Medusas at middle right, SG flies away form the range of Medusas.

I tested it 5 times with same stats, skills and hero in a full Medusa Store with Queens and had no losses and didn't need spells. Medusas Queens got even morale 2 times 1st round lefting finally 5-20 or so hps to that Naga. Medusas also petrfified few times some of my Nagas, but it went still always without losses.

So is this "tactic" too risky coz I found it pretty obvious?
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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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The last hero standing
posted December 11, 2004 01:44 AM

Quote:
Few questions to Xarfax about Medusa Store: Tower Force Feedback -guide. Didn't want to mess up that thread...


Ok, lets see..

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Is there some trick or must u use (bless, offensive) spells to make sure those MGs will kill all the Medusas 1st round?  I tested with those stats, skills and Orrin and they had poor change to kill all the Medusas in single shot. Just curious coz u didn't mention other spells than cure.


Yes u are right. Normally within the range of about 160 to 270hp it mustve been a lucky shot to kill those MGs (10x25=250hps) in a single shot. But as u see that Orrin has only basic archery, which is unusual; heros are much better with skill, spells and other stuff ..so i took that out of consideration ..to keep it simple.

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Then what do u think about formation like this?: NG,NG,NG,MGs,SG,NG,NG. MGs shoot 1st round Medusas at middle right, SG flies away form the range of Medusas.


Well you should read the original thread, that definetely the situation u want to avoid. The problem is that a single NQ wont dial enough enough damage  to reduce the Medusas (48 = 1 Med). Still i admit that the NQ are unecpectetly more stable then i expected. If 9 Meds get for example Luck and Moral in a single round your NQ is dead. After this some more will follow.

I dunno how u tested it, but there is one problem u shouldnt forget: If u reload saves there are always the same creatures in a fight that gets moral, so u will have always the same results and maybe come to the wrong conclusions.

I dont want to say that my way is the only way to go..its just like i would do it (i think i mentioned that in the thread).

Thanks for testing my little trick

Xarfax1


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Ruho
Ruho


Hired Hero
posted December 11, 2004 07:41 PM

I tested second and third time in a different game (found two full Stores with Queens that time) and then reloaded that game again (tries 4 and 5)coz Medusa Queens got morale in 1st round in the first battle and I wanted to test it again (didn't thought then that it's much easier to calculte if they can kill your Naga). Am I right that the next battles after the first battle are always diferent when reloaded? BTW I didn't got any usefull skills from the level up.  

But as u told, and calculations show Medusa Gueens may kill that one NG with good luck even in the 1st round. So saving 6 SGs is definitely not worth taking risk of losing one precious Naga Queen.

Now waiting eagerly when u reveal more of your strategies .

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csarmi
csarmi


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posted December 12, 2004 09:59 AM

Xarfax, my problem with your strategy was that it seems a bit dangerous to me. If your Queen(s) get stoned, you are in trouble.

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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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The last hero standing
posted December 12, 2004 01:21 PM

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Xarfax, my problem with your strategy was that it seems a bit dangerous to me. If your Queen(s) get stoned, you are in trouble.


This formation is designed to minimize the risks of Moral, Luck and Stonegaze.

On the right side the NQ half the stacks, and as no retaliation no risk so far. These Meds dont have the chance for moral as they get killed completely on retaliation. The risk of Luck is also reduced as these Meds are already halfed. So there is two times possible to get stone gazed.

The middle Med gets almost killed in first round, so no risk here.

The left Meds get blocked by gargs, so stone gaze and luck have no influence as they get killed anyway. So on this side there is two times the chance of moral. As the NQ had done their action already the Meds would shoot at the MGrems.

So the probability is that maybe one NQ gets stoned and one Med gets a second shoot. Those wont bring u in trouble with the NQs, u may loose some more MGrems.

Xarfax1
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Ruho
Ruho


Hired Hero
posted December 25, 2004 02:40 PM

Motorschaaf mentioned casually in some old thread that it is possible to do 150 Dwarven Treasury with just one Chaos Hydra. Is it possible just on 100% and below with Hydra Trick or can u do it on the other difficulties too?

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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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The last hero standing
posted December 25, 2004 04:11 PM

..over 100% u can get into serious trouble.

Still u can do it over 100%, but be aware that those dwarfen wont "freeze" any more. Instead of this they "spread". U need some kind of better technique to make them freeze again (only possible on non-native ground).

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tigris
tigris


Supreme Hero
Supreme Noobolator
posted January 12, 2005 09:38 AM

my own mistakes



Everybody knows how to peak into a dwelling(dwarven,medusa store,ciclops stockpile,tope,cons) before a fight early in the game.
Last night i've found out that you can still get in trouble if not carefull.
My mistake was a medusa store week 1 with rampart.It was guarded by lots of medusas, so i expected stacks of 4(cos i supposed that a bigger store should have queens in it). I had an unusual number of GE for first week:37!!
I had ivor as first hero(started random hero ) with 12 elves, then jenova with 4,then 2 external dwellings day 1 + the castle dwelling ones.Also had 4 unicorns(2 from dwelling also) and some centaur fodders.
So i expected to get out of there with minor losses.
But instead of 20, i had to face 40 medusas(stacks of 8)
I had my army set up like this:
18GE/2unicorns/1centaur/1centaur/main centaurs/19GE/2unicorns.(more like a week 2 army i'd say)
I've put my GE in the back so that the blocked medusas can't reach them on foot.I was planning to block upper/lower right hand dusas with unicorns,take retal from middle stack with single centaur, then follow up with main attacking from one side(so that remaining dusas can't reach my unicorns on foot), then place my remaining fodder(hasted) on the other side of the middle stack to prevent it attack my other unicorn stack.
I've tried this method on other occasion and to my knoledge it's the best way to do stores early in the game(week 2 usually).The difference from my army and a typical week 2 army was that i had only 4 unicorns instead of 6(war)unicorns+ i had bad luck.
Round one: One of my unicorn stacks got stoned from retal, after killing 1 dusa. the other stack killed also one.The elves shoot left side stacks, unfortunately one dusa left from both stack.Centaurs do their job acording to plan.Now the shock:The remaining medusas from left corners(upper and lower) move toward my GE and stone them both!!The ones near my stoned stack of unicorns move towards the main cent stack and hits it.then morale to the same stack!It atacks remaining unicorn stack!!!
The middle medusa stack moves toward the unicorns too(incredible cos it had centaurs in reach!!), morale again, then stone gaze!1 unicorn perishes! Begining round 2 i have only my centaurs to hit with.and in the end i lost much more than i could afford at that time.

It was indead extreme bad luck, but the thing i wast to point out is the danger of numbers(lots can be 20 as well as 49).So careful when attaking!  
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angelito
angelito


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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted April 18, 2005 02:09 PM

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..over 100% u can get into serious trouble.

Still u can do it over 100%, but be aware that those dwarfen wont "freeze" any more. Instead of this they "spread". U need some kind of better technique to make them freeze again......
Xarfax1



True, the "normal" freeze trick doesn´t work any longer, but u still can freeze them. You should have a good cure spell and shield / bless also helps much.
The trick here is, u have to keep in mind the "attacking order" of those 5 dwarven stacks. Keep your hydra always besides the "last acting" stack. This means, the first 3 or 4 stacks won´t attack you, but stand defense, and other adjacent stacks will move away....u will only be attacked by the last stack...and u can cure the hydra afterwards when u need it.

Attacking order:
4________1
_________5
3________2
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dimis
dimis


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Supreme Hero
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posted April 20, 2005 12:28 AM

Inferno Troops Attack Crypts - #1

First of all I want to congratulate Tigris for his determination on starting such a terrific thread. I am a newbie as well and I really felt that this thread was missing from the site but I didn't have the courage to start it all by myself. So here is my first contribution to this thread:

Inferno Troops Against Crypts on Dirt Terrain.
(only 5 Vampires + 10 Wights + 20 Zombies + 20 Skelletons)

I have not encountered a full crypt yet, but the above tactics is an indication that things can go pretty good for inferno troops as well on crypts as other races.

And some questions I posed to Tigris via email and have not been as yet answered (I would really appreciate your sharing of knowledge):
1) Is it true that on lava terrain crypts cannot occur on random maps?
2) Is it possible for me to change the map with map editor and more paricularly change the crypt's properties so that it is a full crypt?


Thank you in advance,
- Dimis -


P.S. to moderators: I made a mistake and didn't press new post on my last attempt for this post but instead a "new poll". Can you please fix up the possible mess (garbage) I made? sorry.

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