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arachnid
arachnid


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posted August 11, 2001 06:04 PM

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the fact that he has responded vehemently and probably unknowingly broken the rules, he is being penalized for it.




Oh please dont tell me he never knew that he was not allowed to insult everyone that wrote a msg in this post, Its obvious to see lastplace wanted to get a big fight going and has done nothing but insult people from the start.

By the way i see that theres 2 lastplace's i wonder whats the chance that there the same person?
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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted August 11, 2001 09:49 PM

Name of the thread should be...

"The Retarded"

You all seem to be really mature or at least behave like mature people do. No offence here against Lastplace or any other here but c'mon people what kind of picture do you think you give me an outsider of TOH like me? There is this other thread too called "division campaigns reward" that goes such a depths of human waste of time and brains that I'm amazed. Some issues are OK but just look in which level discussion is in this thread? Do you call yourselves respected? I mean, I'm sure I'm not respected because I don't have experience about TOH maybe I don't have even real "permission" to be here but how many people can respect someone calling other as retard? Anyone?

Why I post this message? I'm sure that somebody will say you don't belong here boy (or gay) go home. But I just wanna say that I kinda thought that I could join TOH when HoMM4 comes out. But now that I have seen in which "level" people are here especially "respected" TOH players. I think I pass and do something else. For Vesuvius I want to say that I have propably visited that TOH site as "guest" more than anyone and have been really close joining in, but what kind of picture this kind of threads give people about TOH?

And for Shae I want to say, I'm disappointed. I really understand you're part of TOH despite you say you're inexperienced all the time. But why you defend Lastplace? After those messages even if they wouldn't have penalties applied I would have clear picture about Lastplace.

You know what they say about excuses.
Excuses are like *Piip*, everybody got one.

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pandora
pandora


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The Chosen One
posted August 12, 2001 12:28 AM bonus applied.

Sha_Men,  please don't judge ToH based on the replies of several - you need to take into account the massive size of this tournament. You can't take a group of a few thousand people anywhere, in any situation and expect that you would like and agree with all of them

ToH is a great tournament, with many different ideas and tournaments that help to keep the game fresh even after its been out a few years.  In the time I've been involved in ToH its been constantly impoving, and from all I've seen so far about the future of ToH and HoMM4 these improvements will continue!

You'll find that in ToH yes, there are some jerks, but there are also some really great people from all over the world, a lot of them don't even post here, so don't use this board as your means for judging the tournament

Hope you decide to enter, but if not, good luck to you wherever you end up playing!
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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted August 12, 2001 12:49 AM

Dear Pandora...

Yes, sure TOH is big tournament and there are always some people that make trouble. But just look these messages here. This should be board for this tournament and I must say I not really feel comfortable with this kind of tone of voice people are using.
This isn't really the best advertisement for TOH...
I think you agree.
I have heard about things about TOH from some of my friends that have played TOH (I know some russians too) and read some posts here and that has made me wonder how tournament is really like. I just don't waste my time tournament that isn't fun to play because people are more into points than into having fun. I have no thing against you Pandora or in fact anyone else here...
I just wanted to say people to straighten up and just take view what kind of image they give "outsiders".
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Defreni
Defreni


Promising
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posted August 12, 2001 02:59 AM

Well to respond to Shae, u really have to take into account the thread "Div campaign rewards" or something like that. Lastplace gave some quite rude remarks in that thread before he started this thread, that probably explain some of the answers hes gotten in this thread.
About the off-subject remarks that some, including myself, have posted in this thread, is just plain ole fun, in the form of sarcasm. When u dont like a subject or believe its rather unnecessary u tend to talk of something else.
This isnt minded on Lastplace, AIR or anybody, its just danish humor, at least from my side
Regarding Shae, if u judge a community of 2500 active players at last count, on a message board where at most 100 of the 2500 participate, and then take it further and judge from a thread where no more than 15 is active. Then offcourse ull have a really sound base to judge the community on That was sarcasm once again, at least in someones opinion. In mine its just irony.
The point is that Lastplace no doubt was one of the best players TOH has seen, but from my lowly place in the ranking, theres alot of players that are equally great, by reputation or simply because they whopped my sorry behind.
This was a rather lengthy reply, but I still feel strongly about TOH, and eventhough I dont play much anymore I still check in once and again just to see how things are going.
But if u wanna know what TOH really is all about, Ves should post some of the mails he receives regarding the distribution of Honor medals. That is really uplifting and a promise of what TOH is now, and what it will become in the future.

Defreni
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Lastplace2
Lastplace2

Bad-mannered
Tavern Dweller
posted August 12, 2001 03:28 AM

Ok everyone!

Ok first of all if you realize I am not saying anything like f u or bit** anything like that.  I just can't stand people like phantom who dont know all the facts and blurt out what they think is right I just can't stand it.  Valera I didn't know I was going to far.  

Anyways Shae talked to me on IM and she is a very nice person, If you don't start with me I won't start with you.  And about the AIR thing i had some tention with him before and maybe I don't have it all right but I felt i had to get him back.

I made this post The Retired not for myself but for retired players to chat with that still hang around heroes, Why not? It can be something intresting.

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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted August 12, 2001 04:25 AM
Edited By: vesuvius on 11 Aug 2001

Sha Men

There are bad seeds in any community, and guess what, the worse they are, the more aggressive and vocal they are.  Its human nature.  So you get to hear a lot of it.  I for one have kept TOH open, with as minimal 'censorship' as I can tolerate.
Anyone visiting the microsoft gaming zone right now might get killa bee spamming the zone for hours.   So all you see is garbage from him.  Does that mean that everyone on the zone sucks? No, but one idiot makes brings a bad taste to the mouth for the rest.
TOH is large, and will be larger in homm4.  There will be good and bad, simple.

Some smaller tourneys which were 'full of honorable players' are slowly building up to the hundereds of members, now they are also getting branded with 'rude players' and such.  Again, these rude players are only 5% of the community, but they are sometimes the most vocal, and the layman likes to generalize that its most of the players involved... when it is the 5%.
I recommend people visit other community/tournament sites for other games, turn based or realtime strategy, etc... and see that we actually have a pretty clean community.
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Shae_Trielle
Shae_Trielle


Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
posted August 12, 2001 09:58 AM

To Defreni and Sha and Aranha

Yes, Mr Spider, I can suggest that perhaps Lastplace didn't know about flaming on people, considering you have 400 posts here, spend more time on the message board than actually playing Heroes. I think, judging by his low post count (of which half of them were made in the last week), I can ask LastPlace a reasonable question. It had nothing to do with you, I will ask what I wish, so don't use the 'Pulease....' line on me okay?

Sha, we're not all like this. Sadly some of us are, though. Like Ves said, you're bound to find a few bad apples in a loaded cart, I think poor Bee is the worst of them though. He still spams (he now has a bosom buddy, lol) regularly, but so far, he's only one of a few spammers I've seen on Zone.

Defreni, I took the Division Campaigns Reward thread into full consideration when I posted here and this is exactly why I said what I said. Seems to me like the same people chased LastPlace over here and continued the childish behaviour you all displayed. You guys worked LastPlace up deliberately, without thought and by your OWN admission, you posted crap here, just to get him worked up! At the end of it all, the dog digs itself into a hole and everyone stands around with a smug look saying 'See? Told you it was crazy!'

I'm sticking up for LastPlace, yes, only because I can see where he's coming from, even if I disagree with the manner in which he voiced his opinion. Don't put me in the same box.

I'm not as good as he is at heroes!

*smile*

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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted August 12, 2001 12:47 PM
Edited By: Sha_Men on 12 Aug 2001

Now I say...

Oh please...

Actually my only reason to say something was to make people understand what they are really saying who ever they were (Lastplace, Defreni). I can assure you that I have played load of heroes games also online but haven't been just part of that tournament. I don't give anything to fact is somebody is good or bad player if he posts something like that has been in these two threads. It doens't make you better person if you spend more time playing heroes than in this message board, or does it? Don't know because now I'm more here than play HoMM.

For Vesuvius I can say that I shouldn't maybe judge TOH because of couple of bad seeds. But usually if there is one there are more. I will my decision to join TOH based into different things than few posts. I truly respect you as you say that all "censorship" must be minimal. People are different of course and sometimes arguing is needed. Also many of the discussions about TOH are very heat maybe it's because they love HoMM and TOH so much they don't want to change it into direction they don't want to. But I just don't understand why somebody comes to post this board to insult. Maybe it's fun and despite the fact I'm usually very good understand humor maybe I don't get "danish" humor as Defreni said.

In fact I would have really liked to read thread about retired players because it could really give more than just idea how people see TOH even am I in or out of it. But if the discussion changes debate who likes girls and who sheep I have better things to read.
For Lastplace I want to say that you should read the beta FAQ from the tavern. And I still think you knew where the line was and others too. You just stepped right over it without any thought at all. End of my first messages tells what I think about excuses when crossing that line.

Enough said.
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Defreni
Defreni


Promising
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posted August 12, 2001 01:54 PM bonus applied.

Hmm well I can appreciate ur points Shae and Sha

But actually I do tend to take offence when Im put in the same box as a sheep, and Shae u misunderstood me, I didnt post anything to work Lastplace up. All considering, and judging by his post I couldnt no matter what I posted
I just thought the reference to Monty Python was to funny and I had to respond to that.
And considering Killa, there was a time when he didnt spam, at least not so much as he do today, if u ever run into Bonopart ull see what spamming is all about
But Lastplace u cant just make a new thread, and without explaining where u come from expect that ppl wont respond in a rather rude manner. Actually I thought that "The retired" was a of ur not so well thought out behaviour from the "Div campaign reward" thread. Im suspecting I wasnt the only one who thought that way.
Shae again I spoke with Lastplace in season 2, and guess what, he werent all that polite even then, and eventhough he didnt insult me personally he did have some very, what do u say, childish remarks on the zone.

Defreni
Who respect Shae for sticking up for Lastplace, but it would be pretty if Lastplace himself just posted what he wanted with this thread, instead of hiding behind the skirts of a woman ;P J/K with the last part off course, couldnt help myself, after his remarks on gays......
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arachnid
arachnid


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 12, 2001 04:11 PM

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Yes, Mr Spider, I can suggest that perhaps Lastplace didn't know about flaming on people, considering you have 400 posts here, spend more time on the message board than actually playing Heroes. I think, judging by his low post count (of which half of them were made in the last week), I can ask LastPlace a reasonable question. It had nothing to do with you, I will ask what I wish, so don't use the 'Pulease....' line on me okay?




If this was such a private matter that no-one was allowed to reply to then i think you should of sent a private msg not put it on a public msg board.
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Lews_Therin
Lews_Therin


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 12, 2001 05:54 PM

Sha, in another thread you complain that you would like to join ToH, but donīt because of all those evil unfair players who keep hitting and running all day in every single game. Now youīre whining the same way just because one former ToH member behaves like a little child. Itīs laughable, registering costs no money and just a few mouseclicks. Do those mouseclicks and compare your own experiences with your prejudices, or keep out, itīs as easy as that.
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lastplace2
lastplace2

Bad-mannered
Tavern Dweller
posted August 12, 2001 06:47 PM

what?

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Hmm well I can appreciate ur points Shae and Sha

But actually I do tend to take offence when Im put in the same box as a sheep, and Shae u misunderstood me, I didnt post anything to work Lastplace up. All considering, and judging by his post I couldnt no matter what I posted
I just thought the reference to Monty Python was to funny and I had to respond to that.
And considering Killa, there was a time when he didnt spam, at least not so much as he do today, if u ever run into Bonopart ull see what spamming is all about
But Lastplace u cant just make a new thread, and without explaining where u come from expect that ppl wont respond in a rather rude manner. Actually I thought that "The retired" was a of ur not so well thought out behaviour from the "Div campaign reward" thread. Im suspecting I wasnt the only one who thought that way.
Shae again I spoke with Lastplace in season 2, and guess what, he werent all that polite even then, and eventhough he didnt insult me personally he did have some very, what do u say, childish remarks on the zone.

Defreni
Who respect Shae for sticking up for Lastplace, but it would be pretty if Lastplace himself just posted what he wanted with this thread, instead of hiding behind the skirts of a woman ;P J/K with the last part off course, couldnt help myself, after his remarks on gays......




Ok defreni scroll up and It explains, I never talked to you in season 2 and if I did I forgot please refresh my memory of it here.  Also I didn't ask for "backup" from anyone and if you would have read the reply I had earlier you would not have said for me to explain myself and not to hide behind skirts.  Anyways I don't really care about you cause I don't have any problems with you.


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Tamanrasset
Tamanrasset


Hired Hero
posted August 12, 2001 06:59 PM

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Pandora and Yawacko are still in ToH, and both looking forward to ToH and Homm4  In fact we're in a division war, course we couldnt find our opps to play... lol

Theres no similarity between us and Lastplace whatsoever!





pAndora... yAwacko... lAstplace...

Hmmm... No similarity at all you say? Some kind of conspiracy here, is it?

Ta...

oops
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Pandora
Pandora


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Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
posted August 12, 2001 09:03 PM
Edited By: Pandora on 12 Aug 2001

tAmanrasset....

What are you trying to say, hmmmm?

If there's something sneaky going on, i think you're likely to be involved....

Hurry up and come back online full-time !!  2 seconds on IM is no fun, lol
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Phantom1500
Phantom1500


Adventuring Hero
posted August 12, 2001 09:37 PM

  What has this thread turned into? All we had was a player that is gone from toh to many many people's delight start arguing with people for no reason in a different thread and then start this one as a further insult. Now we have people taking sides and judging toh on some material here and talking about the league in general, talking about "bad seeds". This thread has nothing to do with judging toh or judging the top players or judging lastplace or "bad seeds" or anyone. It is actually rather humorous to see how a simple video game can create so much difference of opinion.
  Sha-men, what are you talking about? You never play and have nothing to discuss with heroes, yet you bring up topics about the league itself based on some information that means nothing and force other people to defend their beloved community. If you really wanted to join and play you would have done it a long time ago, but instead you just sit and pose judgements.
  Lastplace has always been that way and he reacts very intensily to anything anyone says. You can speak to him on the zone just like anyone else and obviously he is not gonna go out freaking out and cursing at you. Same with killa bee, if you talk to him he is actually quite nice. Same is with Lastplace, i am sure he is nice if you never had problems with him.
  In the end of it all, this thread just provides slight degrees and anger and controversy and that is why it is more entertaining than many of the other one's which just talk about the same old stuff, like hit and run. Great. It is amusing to see top players arguing over bullsnow and it is insulting to see people who have no idea about what is going on posting some bullsnow opinions about the toh in general and don't offer no bullsnow judgements about people you don't even know.  











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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 12, 2001 11:23 PM bonus applied.

I agree with Phantom in that regard...One thing that does irk me are the people who feel that they are qualified to talk about ToH and discuss its so called "badpoints", but they have never played a ToH match, or played very limited games. I often try to question someone on the zone if they are saying ToH sucks and you should join some other tourney. Often if I ask them what their prob with ToH is, and they dont really have an answer. Other times it will be "ToH has so many probs", and if I ask them how many games they have played in ToH, the answer will be "oh about 10 or so"....????WTF so they know all there is to know about ToH after 10 games? Hell I have played 130 odd and still feel out of my depth sometimes. I guess my point is...why bash ToH when you dont know anything about it?

As for lastplace....are you STILL here man?

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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted August 13, 2001 09:33 AM

I have know some "bashing" to do...

I think I was right when I said some of you love HoMM and TOH so much that if anyone places critic towards it you jump right in. Maybe it's good thing, at least you care. Vesuvius and TOH has support that is good to see.

For Lews_Therin I want to say it's easy to sneak up into another thread and then attack behind from anothers back. You seem to be very good at it. Yes, I had opinions about hit'n'run and if you can't live with them I can't do anything about it. I have played many games online and hotseat and would say that know something about HoMM. So please don't tell me I don't know anything about the game. I said also before that I know something about TOH but would like to know more about players and strategies used there. That's why I visit this board. I must pay from dial-up when I access internet so it won't be so "free" tournament for me and I want to know where to spend money. I don't want to join just for few games and then somebody calls me "plebe" rest of my life.

Phantom...I have nothing to discuss with heroes? That was insult and deep it was. Am I member of this community? Yes, despite being not member of TOH I'm member of this community and have right to post here, or do I? I'm not so sure anymore. I have read some threads here about tournament but haven't posted not so much because I get responses like Craig Hack said in another thread: Why do you care? I don't have time to do this all the time saying why I'm interested about TOH as outsider and why I interfere into some "discussion".

I haven't attacked against TOH. Read my messages again. It's possible I have made typo there but I never meant to attack TOH. My critic was towards players of TOH who come here to post trash. I want to read messages with something on them and that something doesn't mean insults. Insults are never right but I wonder what were the odds that Lastplace who did say many rude things before gets trashed in this thread?

Now that you all have defended yourself against this "attacker" from outside TOH who doesn't know anything about the tournament and HoMM (Read Sha_Men) you can all continue your little "discussion". I'll be on my way.
I'll be sure won't be joining these "TOH discussion for TOH members only" in the future.

Goodbye.
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Shae_Trielle
Shae_Trielle


Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
posted August 13, 2001 02:04 PM

LOL Okay

Great to see a really disappointing beginning to a thread turn out to be something worthwhile after all. Some quality points awarded, some penalites applied. Gotta say it has it all, lol!

Sha, you don't have to be at the top to say that you're part of ToH. You just have to be a part, be it plebe or general. Like the guys said, it's not all that hard to sign up, you pay plenty of money to post on a message board yet you won't partake in one of the best online tournaments I've ever seen. You know if you were a plebe with 2 games under your belt, your opinion would carry a bit more weight you know. As they say, don't knock it until you've tried it.

Are you concerned about somebody finding similarities in IP addresses? Is that why you're waiting so very patiently for HoMM 4?

Shae


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CraigHack


Known Hero
Have fantasies, will travel...
posted August 13, 2001 06:23 PM

Why do you care?

Quote:
Craig Hack said in another thread: Why do you care?

My critic was towards players of TOH who come here to post trash.

Now that you all have defended yourself against this "attacker" from outside TOH who doesn't know anything about the tournament and HoMM (Read Sha_Men) you can all continue your little "discussion". I'll be on my way.
I'll be sure won't be joining these "TOH discussion for TOH members only" in the future.

Goodbye.


Since my name was mentioned.....
Again I say "Why do you care?". You have already said you are not joining ToH for Heroes 4. I know you have spent enough time here to get your feelings hurt in several threads but you seem to have an expert opinion on everything. And how did you get the job of deciding what is or is not trash posted by ToH members? There are many experts in the game of Heroes here, I dont even include myself in that number. You are not one of them! Feel free to come and go as you wish, post as you wish, learn from these people who REALLY know the game. Dont be so pretentious! We dont need an expert opinion from you on the conduct of games that you do not... are not going to.... ever... play.


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