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Viper
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posted August 18, 2001 09:12 PM |
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I'll ask question wich was asked earlyer: "How cares about quality points".
If Sha_Men for ex. has more quality points than me that doesnt mean that he plays Homm better than me or is smarter (Sha_Men hope you wont be angry because i used you in my example  )
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Viper
Known Hero
Lord of Black Magic
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posted August 18, 2001 09:20 PM |
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Then where is my star?
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 18, 2001 09:34 PM |
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Unkahaakons and Shaes post...
Yes Inbubus you didn't mention me but you could have said you are talking about this thread particularly.
About those Quality points given.
Firstly Unkahaakon makes great points about Coldfyrious poll in overall and makes a lot of sense. If you can't find those there I believe you Incubus will never get any quality points not saying here you care about them. Unkahaakon deserves his point and now we look Shaes post. To understand Shae's post you have to check my message about the subject there. This is for Incubus and maybe someone else will learn also something. You know Shae has 5 quality posts so here is making something right...
Here is direct quote from Shae's quality point post:
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You said that quality points should be awarded to posts that are 'objective'. I really find this to be a rather subjective thing for me, because I don't think that anyone involved in Heroes or even Heroes Community can ever have something to say about a certain thread that is truly objective. If you want to be like that, then I strongly suggest you go and post on a message board that has threads about the lifespan of a fireant.
I honestly love the emotion that I see on this board, it's real PEOPLE stuff. I don't want to see a bunch of intellectuals pretending to be objective. Objectivity to me says that you have no real involvement in what's being said, and if you have no real emotions or thoughts about something, then don't post. Because if your opinion doesn't lean even SLIGHTLY one way or the other, it will take the thread nowhere. True objectivity is the oppositite of revolution and I think that a quality point should always be awarded where someone is being thoughtful and seriously subjective. If they qualify their opinions well and qualify them carefully, and their post has injected new life into a thread or taken it in new directions then quality points need to be given out.
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In these opening paragraphs she basically destroys my idea that quality points should be given to those who are "objective". Well, he got it all wrong what I meant but he has voice of truth in his message. I was being so unclear that I get still shivers from those to post I made and Craig Hack (Sorry I mention you) had point when he said about being boring. Even if I disagree that objectivity means lifespan of fireant which basically would mean all posters would be "objective". I said that some posters can be more objective than others. Or is Incubus objective usually? No, he is very significally subjective and he doesn't have any quality points until this far. I have courage say now he should be awarded at least one. Not that his all thousand and over post are all good but some of them deserve in my opinion one point.
Here's more from Shae's post:
I've just recently had first hand experience of how these points are working. People who used to insult and diss each other are now questioning themselves more and thinking on a much deeper level. I've seen them go from young, to seriously respectable people all because their focus has changed and that change has arisen out of the red star system. The whole bar has been raised, Sha, I've seen it in you. I've seen the way you posted before you got a red star and how you posted after you got a red star. The difference may not be recognizable by you, but it sure is by me. People all over the place are getting red stars, they're getting some recognition for effort. And hell, you gotta be half crazy to disagree with me when I say that those quality posts didn't take some careful insight or thought provocation.
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I think the intelligency bar was already raised when I arrived this forum. LMAO!
Maybe system has affected some people. Shae especially because he has got two quality points from post in threads about Redstarsystem. No need to be sarcastic here. He has deserved them. Well I'm half crazy then. They didn't affect my posting at least in conscious level. My respect comes from people that not deliberately offend me or try to change my mind with force. There are some people that try to do that...
Still he has some opinions here even if I disagree again (because he didn't get my thoughts) and they are well reasoned. Can't blame her from those.
Here is final part:
I've been coming to the board more often, nearly every day, just for a quick peek. The moderators have done a real swift turnaround on preventing the board sliding into the depths of the forgotten and I have to give them my thanks for making this place enjoyable once again.
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Haven't see you here in lately Shae, but we possibly visit in different times. I would say that "the turnaround" happened after Shae writed this message. I have seen here more people now and even some interesting threads than before to pop up. However some boards like Altar of wishes is in bad shape. Maybe it's because of that waiting of HoMM IV. I'm not sure is it the redstarsystem that has caused it. We posters must pump the life into the forum. Moderators can do something but they can't force people to read and post here. We do that. LOL
Shae here says how he feels about the board. This is very nice and give courage also others to come to "small peeks". I have been there and done that lately. I think this board has more life than long before but it could be still better...However I'm not sure does redstarsystem have anything to do with that...
Incubus...
So there was Shaes message I just wish you luck understanding how he got his quality point. Basically good post is like good essay it has introduction (Sorry Shae to my mind comes some words from YouSmell from hit'n'run thread about your posting LOL) and then goes to main point which was that redstarsystem has raised the bar and then conclusion and his own feelings. Also great end:
Keep the stars or lose us posters. It's up to you.
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What more you can wait from message? It's almost perfect. Even if she didn't get my point that message is like from hand book "How do you write quality posts to Heroes Community". And what is best she tries to put those messages out all the time. I believe she is not trying to get more quality points (As I joke sometimes) but to get posters to think and post something.
Iif that post wouldn't have gotten quality point I still would have noticed it. Unkahaakons post isn't as clear as Shaes but that is primus stuff too.
I wish Shae won't be too mad if she finds out I have commented her post.
But still...
Can't say more, can't say less
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Oldtimer
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted August 18, 2001 10:07 PM |
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Quality posts should be a bit more liberal.
They are supposed to be for top 2% of posts. My last count there was 18,486 posts in this forum. That means there should be 370 quality posts. (I know that this system is relatively new and it would be a huge chore that no one would want, to reread all old posts and rate them.)
But it seems that some posters are excluded just because of their reputation. I will use Incubus as an example because he has alot of posts. I have read some very interesting ideas in some of his creature posts and I see a lot of passion for the game and the community, and some of his posts spark alot of interest and conversation. To say that he has no quaility posts in his vast library is silly.
What is the criteria for these quaility points?
Do they have to be long drawn out posts that are very loquatious. (like this one)
Or can they just be interesting ideas, funny moments, conversation starters, good points and such.
I for one would like to see the criteria broadened to include a diverse variety of quality posts.
But I agree that the moderaters should be the judge, after all it is one of the perks of the job. Can you just see them in their plush heroes community offices making the posters jump through their quality post hoops, laughing maniacally, saying "Dance Puppets, Dance".
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Sha_Men
Responsible
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 18, 2001 10:11 PM |
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Incubus, Incubus...
For who then I did write that message?
Or should I delete it.
OK if you have opinion something it seems that your head cannot be turned. Why you saying those things then here.
You said that you cannot get quality points. I said what you have to do to get some and then you say you won't read my message. Am I missing here something?
Did you read Unkahaakons and Shaes message at all? Or is it just because they got it from not-HoMM related thread. BTW you can get quality points from post that are related to this COMMUNITY also. And this thread is about community not HoMM.
But I wish you even more luck now to getting those quality posts if you aren't ready to listen others say how to get them. If you decide that you can't get them because your name is Incubus and that other crap I'm not so sure will mods give it them to you.
Why I'm talking here? You aren't listening anyway...
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Lord_Echo
Famous Hero
Ranger of the good
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posted August 18, 2001 10:13 PM |
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Stars?!??!
What is actully the red and yellow stars and "Quality points" can someone plz tell me something about it?
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Viper
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Lord of Black Magic
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posted August 18, 2001 10:16 PM |
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Read firs page of this thread
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Lord_Echo
Famous Hero
Ranger of the good
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posted August 18, 2001 10:19 PM |
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 I still dont get it.
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 18, 2001 10:27 PM |
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Piquedram rules!
Lord_Echo
Read also these threads (Tavern of the rising sun-board):
What are those stars?
Does anybody care about stars?
Red stars..nobody?
And beta FAQ it is somewhere here too...
As always I have almost same thoughts as Oldtimer has. But if we look that I have 450 about posts now I have 3 quality points. This means that my other 447 aren't qualified as great posts. Maybe they aren't but I feel there is too big step from "normal" messages to "great message"...
Here is some examples how system now works if I have get this right:
snow YOU "Members name" (-1 penalty applied)
Piquedram rules! and nothing else said (nothing)
My 447 posts (nothing)
My 3 posts (+1 bonus applied)
So posting "piquedram rules" (maybe changing it little not to get banned from spamming) 447 times you get same result as from my posts and then if I make still those 3 quality posts I would be great poster for new members if they don't check my other posts only my quality post count. Hmm...Maybe I should use those next 500 for saying
Piquedram rules!...
And at the same time gathering up information for 3 HUGE messages into Words and then posting them here. Then I would have the same quality as now. I would maybe even safe some time...
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UnkaHaakon
Responsible
Famous Hero
happily tilting at windmills
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posted August 19, 2001 12:58 AM |
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I think it sucks that shae and Uukkaammoonn got a Point in this NON-Heroes tread.
No, Icubator, what you think sucks is that you haven't got one at all. As evidenced in this post:
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Hmmm what you need for points is..
NON creature Posts...
You have to be older then 17
You have to post not that much.
You don't have to named incubus.
As a suggestion, try something simple for a start, like getting someone's name right? And does it suck that your friend Ariel got a point for pictures?
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Some people say the glass is half full..Some people say it's half empty... I say "What're you asking me to drink?"
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CraigHack
Known Hero
Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted August 19, 2001 01:34 AM |
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What?
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz....... Brrrt..futtttzzz What? Huh? Did I hear my name mentioned? No couldnt be. My mistake...
I must have been dreaming... Back to sleep. 
* See, I can be good! *
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UnkaHaakon
Responsible
Famous Hero
happily tilting at windmills
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posted August 19, 2001 02:35 AM |
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Incubus....
Quote:
If it wasn't for me he didn't draw that all.. and He didn't even know this site ever exsisted without me... Those creatures are made up by me.. and drawed by aerial.. we are like a team!
So..let's see ..sort of a creature post, but somebody not over 17 ..that refutes two of your points above. And if it was a joint effort, you can be proud of it.
Here a few suggestions for you:
Stop being so freakin' lazy! Take just a few minutes to think out your posts, and try to get little details right. For instance, it's "Preserve", NOT "Preverse".
Stop using the "English isn't my first language" or "I'm not old enough" crutch.
Stop beating a dead horse. We all know you think "Crusadars sucks". Try a fresh idea now and again.
Try and explain how these new ideas could work in Heroes game terms. Or at least give some indication that you actually care about the game, and not just lists of creatures.
Justify your ideas and positions. It's easy to say "This sucks". It's harder to say "This sucks BECAUSE...." And back it up with facts or sources beyound your say-so.
If you want to discuss this further, feel free to IM me.
After all, isn't helping each other out part of what being a 'community' is about?
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Some people say the glass is half full..Some people say it's half empty... I say "What're you asking me to drink?"
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Blackdeath
Hired Hero
Zealot of The Light
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posted August 19, 2001 06:49 AM |
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Incubus...
How old are you may I ask? That is all...
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Lord_Echo
Famous Hero
Ranger of the good
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posted August 19, 2001 11:00 AM |
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Thanx!
Thanx Sha_Men now i get that with quality points. But i still dont see how the stars work.
1. How to get them?
2. Whats the diffrent between red and yellow?
3. whats so bad about RED stars?
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Zune
Adventuring Hero
of Tatalia
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posted August 19, 2001 12:30 PM |
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To Lord_Echo
You get red stars for quality posts, yellow stars for having many posts. You start with two red stars because you can also lose red stars if you write crap. It seems like three quality posts gives you three red stars, while nobody (as far as I know) have got four. For the yellow stars, I only remember that 21 posts gives one star.
The reason that some members don't like red stars is that there are no clear rules that tell you what is required for a quality post, so the moderators have to use their own judgement.
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Lord_Echo
Famous Hero
Ranger of the good
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posted August 19, 2001 01:03 PM |
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thanx........ again
ok thx zune now im preatty briefed up. 
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Shae_Trielle
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Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted August 19, 2001 01:26 PM |
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Some people just don't get it
Sha, LOL you made me laugh, analysing my post like that, but I liked it. I never intentionally set out to organize a post in such a manner, to do so requires serious thought and a bit of drafting, and I generally don't like editing posts to sound better. Sometimes I do, but most often I edit to rid spelling errors.
You have to think carefully before posting, I believe. Not about how you're going to phrase your words, but about the validity of your opinion. I know some poeple just hit New Reply button just because they like the action of typing and at the end of it, they feel as if they have accomplished something, even if they haven't posted anything really meaningful. You gotta have belief, you gotta have conviction in what you're saying and it has to make some sort of sense.
I tried to do the maths on the Top 2% thing in regards to how many posts the board has, but I figured that it doesn't always work that way. The moderators don't have to hand out 2 new stars for every 100 posts. I think the 2% factor was just a way for the moderators to say that they're only going to award stars to posts that they find special. Most of you would probably jump up and down in your hydraulic seats if they put it that way though. So instead, they try and give some sort of formula to hint that there are rules that they apply to determine quality posts.
I don't think someone should get a red star just because they have lots of posts. I'm sorry Inky, this is nothing personal, but people seem to be saying that you should get a red star just because you've got 1200+ posts. Mind you I haven't read everything you've posted, but like Haak said, some of your posts lack deeper thought. I have never really seen you legitimately clarify an opinion other than to say 'A human who is level 4. Come on this is absurd'. These sorts of comments are persuasive but not logical and show no real thought other than you having a lot of emotion.
Sha, can you please stop calling me a 'HE'? I am not a he, I am a she. I know in Finnish, you don't have gender specifics but I think a few people would get offended if I started calling them She.
*smile*
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 19, 2001 06:22 PM |
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Well...
Craig Hack...
Never said you are bad. You are just sleepy guy and yes also I get ZZZZZzzzz when reading my messages...
Incubus...
Me and others have said everything we can to you. Are you waiting to moderators give you quality point or hearing from them how YOU can get one. I think you already know but are just too stubborn to do so.
Shae...
I try to be more careful in the future. But it just is easier to put he than she.
But I will do that JUST for you. Other girls here (which I haven't really seen lately) just have to live it.
Problem here is how people see redstars as overall quality. Shae, we have about same amount of post. I know that I have put lot of crap here but you have five stars and I have three. This only shows that you have put two quality posts around than me. Does this mean that my "overall quality" isn't as good as yours?
This is the problem because those redstars can be seen as "quality" and yellowstars as "quantity". I feel this isn't the case. I think it's more just point out that you have posts that are quality ones not that your all are better than mine.
BUT
if the system is meant to those redstars represent "overall quality" how about those who are posting only "good" messages put never get one or more great posts out so they can get quality points and then redstars?
I think this the thing that people would want to here from moderators. So bottomline question is:
Do redstars represents overall quality or are just meant represent quality points in another way than just numbers?
AND also
Are penalties only given from breaking those rules mentioned? Or where "the line" really is?...
Don't really know about others but I at least would like to hear how these things are...
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Shae_Trielle
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Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted August 20, 2001 11:21 AM |
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Not overall quality
This star system is not designed to represent anything, other than a counter for those who are interested in decent threads. If anything, the moderators have done them as a personal incentive for all of us to lift our game a little. Now everyone has something to aim for, a benchmark if you will. You make the benchmark then you get a nice little point.
I can see the detractors already. "But who decides how high the bench is?" "What happens if I jump a thousand times and miss the bench?"
Put simply, you do not have to train yourself vigorously or have perfect english skills to be awarded a star. I'm kinda tiring of repeating these things over and over and over, but just be yourself, don't be a suck up and don't be a crackhole and for gods sake, put a little tiny bit of thought into what you type and sooner or later, you're bound to get a point.
You, Sha, should know enough about the redstar system to know that they are not representative of overall quality. I think that overall, your posts are of a very high standard, more than mine by far. You should be grateful to have 3 stars. I know a lot of posters would be damned grateful just to have one.
I have tested the limits of the redstar penalties and I am very surprised at the lack of action by the moderators. Perhaps they haven't been around enough, perhaps they have not seen the post, perhaps they have chosen to ignore it. I sure hope it isn't the latter. I should be starless, but yet I still have all 5 points....
*smile*
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Sha_Men
Responsible
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted August 20, 2001 12:52 PM |
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I never said...
That I thought system be overall quality.
I just wanted to hear it from moderators because there are people example Incubus who is claiming something about redstars that isn't true. For me my three stars are more than enough. I got them from three INVIDUAL messages or posting something important to the outcome of thread. I
I just said that if you think this as some kind of overall quality system you are walking the wrong way and those redstars can think to be as symbol of overall quality. I'm not going to say which posts are "greater" mine or somebody elses.
Enough of this I think I'm going to puke. I'm not sure do I drink too much tea or is it this subject.
Penalties...
However, yes I'm concerned also about those penalties and I think that moderators should participate more into discussion telling people which is OK and which isn't.
Where the line really is?
However they might have huge amount of work to do, everyone of them, so I won't be complaining this too much. I said in one message that I don't like the idea of penalties being just for "show" and if they are example not given to me just because I have gotten some quality posts out. Everybody crossing the line should be penaltized.
However...
If you Shae are referring to our little "discussion"...
I'm not sure is this the case but if it is I would really liked to hear what mods thought of it. Not jokes but how offensive you can be before you end losing some stars. BTW you only tested boundaries it and as moderator I would have never taken any stars from you.
It was test really...hmph...or was it?
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