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IrishTitan
IrishTitan


Hired Hero
posted August 23, 2005 07:25 AM
Edited By: IrishTitan on 23 Aug 2005

Recap of Heroes III and IV (good, bad, and ugly)

   Hello everyone I have only played Heroes III Complete and Heroes IV.  So if you have played Heroes I and II, I would love to here the good/bad things about them.  If you disagree with any of my views on the two games I'm going to go over, feel free to respond and tell your point of view.

Heroes III: "The Good"

-2D Graphics allowed an easy layout of the map.
-Spells divided into four basic categories fire, water, wind, and earth.
-Every creature in every town was upgradeable.
-Every creature was available to you as long as you followed the building tree.
-Capitols (4000 gold a day)
-Artifacts can be fused together to gain more abilities. [ex: Amulet of Undead + Dead Man's Boots + Vampire's Cowl = Cloak of Undead King]
-(I'm sure I'll get negative response to this but...) the seven-days-wait, for new units.
-Heroes had specialties. [ex:Tamika gives a bonus to all of the Dread Knights in her army.]
-You can trade resources with anyone you wished whether it be friend or foe.
-A total of nine towns; Castle, Rampart, Tower, Inferno, Necropolis, Dungeon, Fortress, Stronghold, and Conflux.
-Hatred increase between creatures [ex: angel -> devil]
-A total of nine towns, with 7 creatures each;
Castle
1 Pikeman -> Halbadiers
2 Archer -> Marksman
3 Griffen -> Royal Griffens
4 Swordsman -> Crusaders
5 Monks -> Zealots
6 Cavaliers -> Champions
7 Angels -> Archangels (sworn enemy of A-Devils)

Rampart
1 Centaur -> Centaur Champions
2 Dwarves -> Master Dwarves
3 Wood Elves -> Grand Elves
4 Pegasi -> Silver Pegasi
5 Dendroid Guards -> Dendroid Soldiers
6 Unicorns -> War Unicorns
7 Green Dragons -> Gold Dragons

Tower
1 Gremlins -> Master Gremlins
2 Gargoyles -> Obsidian Gargoyles
3 Stone Golems -> Iron Golems
4 Magi -> Arch Magi
5 Genies -> Master Genies (sworn enemy of Efreet S)
6 Nagas -> Naga Queens
7 Giants -> Titans (sworn enemy of black dragon)

Inferno
1 Imp -> Familiar
2 Gogs -> Magogs
3 Hell Hound -> Cerberus
4 Demon -> Horned Demon
5 Pit Fiend -> Pit Lord
6 Efreeti -> Efreet Sultan (sworn enemy of M-Genie)
7 Devil -> Archdevil (sworn enemy of A-Angel)

Necropolis
1 Skeleton -> Skeleton Warrior
2 Walking Dead -> Zombie
3 Wights -> Wraith
4 Vampires -> Vampire Lords
5 Liches -> Lich Kings
6 Black Knights -> Dread Knights
7 Bone Dragons -> Ghost Dragons

Dungeon
1 Troglodytes -> Infernal Troglodytes
2 Harpies -> Harpy Hags
3 Evil Eyes -> Beholders
4 Medusae -> Medusa Queen
5 Minotaurs -> Minotaur Kings
6 Manticores -> Scorpicores
7 Red Dragons -> Black Dragons (sworn enemy-Titans)

Fortress
1 Gnolls -> Gnoll Marauders
2 Lizard Men -> Lizard Warriors
3 Serpent Flies -> Dragon Flies
4 Basilisks -> Greater Basilisks
5 Gorgons -> Mighty Gorgons
6 Wyverns -> Wyvern Monarchs
7 Hydras -> Chaos Hydras

Stronghold
1 Goblins -> Master Goblins
2 Wolf Riders -> Wolf Raiders
3 Orcs -> Orc Chieftains
4 Ogres -> Ogre Magi
5 Rocs -> Thunderbirds
6 Cyclops -> Cyclops King
7 Behemoth -> Ancient Behemoth

Conflux
1 Pixie -> Sprites
2 Air Elementals -> Storm Elementals
3 Water Elementals -> Ice Elementals
4 Fire Elementals -> Enegy Elementals
5 Earth Elementals -> Magma Elementals
6 Psychic Elementals -> Magic Elementals
7 Firebirds -> Phoenix

"The Bad"

-For creatures such as the medusa you couldn't choose if you wanted to attack melee unless you ran out of arrows.
-I personally hated the fact that your hero couldn't fight in battle.
-You can buy as many heroes as you would want in one day (as long as you didn't exceed the adventuring heroes limit)
-When an enemy chooses to surrender to you, you can't choose the amount of resources you want in order to give them a safe run back to their castle.
+No Caravans

"The Ugly"
- Kilgor's face

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Heroes IV: "The Good"

-Creatures are allowed to leave the town on their own.
-Heroes can change their class and can get better abilities. [ex: learn all basics of magic and you become an archmage].
-Heroes can fight in battle, and become the most powerful "creature" in your army.
-Undead Transformer changed to be more "legit", whereas in Heroes III you can take 1000 peasants and make them into skeletons.
-You are given the choice to choose between using melee or ranged (magic)
-Limited to one hero per week
+Caravans

"The Bad"

-Heroes have no specialties [ex: Thant is good with Animate Dead]
-No upgrades for creatures.
-It's 3D...
-No Capitols, not even one, just stuck with 1,000 gold per day.
-Simple artifacts, no fusing pieces together.
-Marketplace trading is restricted to only allies
-You get a small amount of units everyday, depending on when you built them.
-The if-you-build-this-you-can't-build-that...
-Instead of towns being increased, the Magic categories are increased.  Why use the name of the town as the categories?
-Heroes went from having seven towns to a stagggering six! "Wait aren't you supposed to have more creatures and more towns in a sequel?!"

Life:

Squires
Crossbowmen

Ballista
Pikemen

Monks
Crusaders

Champions
Angels

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Order:

Halflings
Dwarves

Gold Golems
Magi

Genies
Nagas

Titans
Dragon Golems

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Nature:

Wolves
Pixies

Elves
White Tigers

Griffens
Unicorns

Phoenix
Fairie Dragon

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Death:

Skeletons
Imps

Cerberus
Ghosts

Vampires
Venom Spawn

Devils
Bone Dragons

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Might:

Centaurs
Berserkers

Harpies
Nomads

Cyclops
Ogre Magi

Thunderbird
Behemoth

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Chaos:

Bandits
Orcs

Minotaurs
Medusae

Nightmares
Efreeti

Black Dragon
Hydra



"The Ugly"
-3DO went bankrupt after this (gee I wonder why?), but hey at least there is going to be a Heroes V!

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2XtremeToTake
2XtremeToTake


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 23, 2005 01:15 PM

First off, welcome to HC.

Secondly, i agree with everything you said except the part where you liked Heroes in battle...IMO that feature is one of the worst in H4 for me
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Lord_Woock
Lord_Woock


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
posted August 23, 2005 01:24 PM

HEROES 4 IS NOT 3D DAMNIT!!!
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mr_niceguy
mr_niceguy


Famous Hero
of power
posted August 23, 2005 01:28 PM

Quote:
-You couldn't choose how much money you could get when someone is surrendering to you.

sorry i dont get this, can someone explain

Quote:
HEROES 4 IS NOT 3D DAMNIT!!!

just be glad he didnt say there wasnt a hex grid
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2XtremeToTake
2XtremeToTake


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 23, 2005 01:30 PM

Quote:
HEROES 4 IS NOT 3D DAMNIT!!!


Well its not 2D either
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Lord_Woock
Lord_Woock


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
posted August 23, 2005 01:38 PM

Quote:
Well its not 2D either


And why is that, pray tell?
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Armageddonic...
Armageddonicidiot


Adventuring Hero
posted August 23, 2005 03:50 PM

Can't say I agree with everything as I'm a hommiv fan more than a hommiii fan, but I won't start an argument now. Many places I found stuff I simply disagree with, but that's a thing of taste. What I can say, though, is that you missed the caravans on both lists. They ARE one of the greatest improvements in hommiv.

Also, I do know I and II, allways liked them better than III (again, won't discuss). Don't remember much, though, but can make a simple list:
1:
Good:
Simple to learn

No upgrades

You can have it in a small window next to some work you're doing

Sandro (he's a warlock here)

The lovely classical feeling

Only one kind of dragon

Bad:
Only four towns (barbarians, warlocks, knights and sorceresses, or, in heroes iv-way stronghold, asylum, haven and preserve)

You can't use the main hero

You don't get to choose which heroes you place in the map editor

Ugly:
The dragon

2:
Good:
Perfectly balanced even though upgrades are variable (some had none, some had one, the dragon had two)

Necromancers and wizards!

.. and titans, of course

Vampires look more like real vampires than the ugly hommiii vampire

Still the classical feeling

Loads of new adventure objects (which means, objects that were not in hommi, homm3 and 4-fans find these casual)

Bad:
The towns are just hommi towns with upgrades, plus wizard and necromancer town

The skill system is totally boring

The beginning of the dragon-based system

Ugly:
The trolls

Probably a lot I don't remember, but at least it's a basic list
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Lord_Crusader
Lord_Crusader


Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
posted August 23, 2005 06:44 PM

Quote:
   Hello everyone I have only played Heroes III Complete and Heroes VI.  


Heroes VI?? :| well I didn't know that heroes VI is there... but why first go for Heroes VI and then heroes V??
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Daystar
Daystar


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
posted August 24, 2005 03:42 AM

@ Lord_Woock: Please refrain from swearing.

The controversy over the two most recent heroes games will climax around Febuary 2006.  until the next heroes game comes out, let's not argue over which is the better game in the heroes 5 area. save it for lib of enlightenment or lnds of aexoth.  

heroes 4 is a heroes 3 beta with half the programing removed in 2.5D

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Angelspit
Angelspit


Famous Hero
Warrior of the Heavens
posted August 24, 2005 04:29 AM

Quote:
Well its not 2D either

It's an isometric view rendered in 2D. That's why the character animations are so detailed and smooth, but at the same time there aren't many of them.
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ChimTheGrim
ChimTheGrim


Adventuring Hero
That guy ...
posted August 24, 2005 06:05 AM

All I know is that I liked Heroes 3 better. I didn't play Heroes 4 more than a week because I just couldn't get into it like I do Heroes 3.

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DragonMaster
DragonMaster


Known Hero
Master of Dragons
posted August 26, 2005 09:29 PM

Me neither.
HoMM3 was just magic.
I played 1 and 2, 2 was better, 3 was better than 2,
but 4 ****** it up in my oppinion.

I hope Ubi will make a more worthy sequel.

Anyway, I didn't see you refering to Heroes Chronicles so I'll do the thing on those.

Good:
New campaigns.
New creatures and a new town(are in SoD to)
Tarnum(exclusive hero)

Bad:
I believe there are 6 different versions:
Conquest of the Underworld, Masters of the Elements,
Clash of the Dragons(Someone know where to get this?)
Warriors of the Wastelands, The Final Chapter,
2 more(don't remember)
Only one campaign per version
You can only play the campaign, the preview to the others, the tutorial.
Can't choose starting Hero(not a big problem(you have Tarnum))

Ugly
Tarnum in Warriors of the Wastelands.hehe.
The opening movies(like the one from H3 where Catherine hits land).
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Armageddonic...
Armageddonicidiot


Adventuring Hero
posted August 27, 2005 08:42 PM

Are there new creatures in heroes chronicles? What creatures? (sorry if not relevant to topic)
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DragonMaster
DragonMaster


Known Hero
Master of Dragons
posted August 27, 2005 08:44 PM

Like I said:
Are in SoD too.
It's H3 with a bit of the expansion too.
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IrishTitan
IrishTitan


Hired Hero
posted August 28, 2005 09:28 AM

Quote:
Are there new creatures in heroes chronicles? What creatures? (sorry if not relevant to topic)


As you can see I messed up the topic, at first, by putting "Recap of Heroes III and VI"

Anyone can post what they believe to be the good, bad, and ugly of any Heroes game/expansion.  For I have only played Heroes III and very little of Heroes IV.  I also am in serious need of learning my Roman Numerals...

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vlaad
vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted August 28, 2005 09:57 AM

off topic

I may be wrong, but I think you can edit the title of your thread (just be sure to log in with the same username, including capital letters).
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bloodandhonor
bloodandhonor


posted August 28, 2005 02:57 PM

I HATE, multiple heroes it takes forever to finish the turn, so when my friend went away for a minute I disbanded all his heroes with one gremlin............

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Lich_King
Lich_King


Honorable
Supreme Hero
posted August 28, 2005 08:45 PM

Quote:
I may be wrong, but I think you can edit the title of your thread (just be sure to log in with the same username, including capital letters).


Unfortunately, that is impossbile... At least now.
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vlaad
vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted August 28, 2005 10:45 PM

Too bad. Can't you edit the title? It's not that important, but does look silly.
Quote:
I HATE, multiple heroes it takes forever to finish the turn, so when my friend went away for a minute I disbanded all his heroes with one gremlin............

This must be the best strategy I have heard in a while. Thanks for sharing!
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mvassilev
mvassilev


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted August 29, 2005 03:52 AM

I loved heroes in combat.
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