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posted January 14, 2006 11:37 AM |
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Well heres a logical theoridical theory of mine Hudsons Privates.
You know how I always say The bible seems contradicted yes.
How they make thangs seem like science fiction when theres usually a scientific solution.
MEGA FAUNA.
Ok heres my theory the Ice age ended around 10000 yrs ago & all the ice climical animals & man that died with the climate.
Now when the climate IN TIME gotten a bit hotter knowing the flood happened later the ice will melt & with more water in the waves from the poles & through the middle of the world, Wouldnt the waves & rain etc be as great as the Flood?
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posted January 14, 2006 12:10 PM |
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From what little I understood of Aculias's post, he does have a point. But I don't think there was an ice age during that time.
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posted January 14, 2006 12:41 PM |
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Most people don't even believe in history. I mean, sure, they do if someone asks them - But they see it more like a fairy tale than reality. They believe in game shows, the news, and what they talk to others about in everyday life. Things that are close to them in their lives is their reality, and things that disrupt or disturb that are generally ignored, and the people responsible for the disruption are marginalized and branded crackpots.
Does it really matter if there was a boat that was similar to Noahs ark or not? By now we have boats that are even bigger, and whether there was a flood or not, we are alive now. I say Noahs Ark did or did not exist, and thats all there is to it. It's alot better to focus on the matters that will allow or disallow mankind to lead a good material life, so that they can explore their spirituality individually, and believe what they want to believe, freely.
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posted January 14, 2006 01:59 PM |
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True Extreme but thats why I said in time.
I know it was many many many yrs before but the whole change dont happen in one day.
Bjorn my lovable red head  (Joking)sure theres fairytales but if theres proof like fossils & changes of our earth, then theres facts.
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posted January 14, 2006 05:14 PM |
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LoL!
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Hey Neil when did he first start calling you that? Ha ha ha, Aculias has an interesting way of showing affection yes?
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posted January 14, 2006 06:12 PM |
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I'm going to ignore that post for the sake of my own fast slipping sanity.
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posted January 14, 2006 06:24 PM |
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Are you sre it's Sanity your slipping in or an arse lol?
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posted January 14, 2006 06:37 PM |
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I should have done more research on the subject before opening this thread. I have been doing more digging and it seems there are as many theories on if there was a flood as there are for how evolution was supposed to have happened.
Further more it seem there have been as many Ark sightings as there have been for the lochness monster.
My conlusion is that this is a red herring that does nothing for those who allready have faith and further impresses on those who dont that faith and logic are not compatible.
I am talking mainly about the responses i got from the other forums that i posted this for the last part of that statement.
Its an unmoderated board where Athiests bash and abuse any religious poiont of view unmercifully.
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posted January 14, 2006 06:42 PM |
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Why dont you ask PRIVATE HUDSON about any history related topics.
Shoot to him we are uneducated & he knows every history event from Billions of yrs ago.
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posted January 14, 2006 07:59 PM |
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...just one point Dodd.
Our christian timetable is 2000 years now approximately (believe it or not expert assume that over the centuries there are slipped some years).
As far as i now the Jewish timetable is another 1000 years ...plus the story of Noah is another 2000 years from that.
Bones and other minarals can last more then 5000, other things too if well prepared... a wooden boat simply cant...it would be rotten by now.
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posted January 15, 2006 12:07 AM |
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SO many have created calenders, many with missing days, some with leap yrs, some with full days.
What yr are we in?
Who really knows BUT Xarsucks, determining how long thangs happened in the past can be determined scientifically like forensics.
Yea I am sure they seen the exact boat Noah was on, no one can even come close to making a replica after 6000 yrs etc
The Arch being found hmm  .
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posted January 15, 2006 02:29 AM |
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Xar it could survive if it was preserved in ice for a large portion of the time which it could have been due to this objects location.
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posted January 15, 2006 01:21 PM |
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...just one point Dodd.
Our christian timetable is 2000 years now approximately (believe it or not expert assume that over the centuries there are slipped some years).
As far as i now the Jewish timetable is another 1000 years ...plus the story of Noah is another 2000 years from that.
Bones and other minarals can last more then 5000, other things too if well prepared... a wooden boat simply cant...it would be rotten by now.
Xarfax, how dare you!
God has put these things, like fossils and so called ancient geological landmarks on our path as a test of faith.
A test you clearly failed...
The idea of the world being 5000 years old or more - and to question a holy book of thruth such as the bible... what is happening to this world 
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posted January 15, 2006 08:04 PM |
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Xarfax, how dare you!
God has put these things, like fossils and so called ancient geological landmarks on our path as a test of faith.
A test you clearly failed...
The idea of the world being 5000 years old or more - and to question a holy book of thruth such as the bible... what is happening to this world
First of all i must say that my english isnt that good. So if this contains ironic or sarcastic things i missed that part.
Second i want to note that i respect anyones believes in any case and in no way i said that something that is stated in the holy bible is wrong, although i personally dont believe in any word that is written there.
So i didnt questioned if the story of ol Noah is true or not. I just questioned that after 5000 years the boat would be totally rotten, so there will be no proof.
I didnt state that the world is 5000 years old. I state that according to the bibles timetable the boat would be around 5000 years old.
Dodd you are right...if the boat maybe was enclosed in ice during an iceage it maybe wouldnt be totally wrotten. But in the bible there is nothing stated like an ice age in the meantime. So there wont be one? Or is the bible wrong? According to scientist the last iceage was between 120.000 to 25.000 years before Jesus Birth. So the boats timetable is out of that too.
If there was smthn like an Noah Ark it is rotten and there will be no proofs.
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posted January 15, 2006 08:31 PM |
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There would not have to be an iceage for it to be entombed in ice.
This region has snow capped mountains present day.
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posted January 15, 2006 09:03 PM |
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Give me Pratchett's explanation any day which basically ran along the lines of God putting dinasours in the earth as a practical joke on scientists 
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posted January 16, 2006 02:17 AM |
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The Ice Age was many yrs before.
There is no way anyone can say that a certain exact boat can be the one that carried the arch.
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posted January 16, 2006 02:24 AM |
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Anyhow in another case how are we suopposed to know anyways, Since they had pics of it in Middle east for like 10-15 yrs but since we are not in good terms with them under CHinese code or what.
Americans cant com e close to even investigate.
Of course theres a chance Petrified wood can preserve under ice but if they have the ship, let us investigate to see if the ship is true.
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posted January 16, 2006 09:20 PM |
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Give me Pratchett's explanation any day which basically ran along the lines of God putting dinasours in the earth as a practical joke on scientists
They couldn't fit on the boat I guess.
I believe in the global flood but I realize I'm probably not going to be able to prove why I believe it.
Heck even if this dude really did find the ark, people still wouldn't believe him. And as the other guy said it would have rotted away by now.
The origins of the world aren't something you can prove, contrary to the belief of public schools.
Evolutionist can't prove their theory, just like Christians, Muslims, and Jews can't prove creation story.
For evolution.
It's like one day you hear this one theory and then scientists disagree with one another and propose a new theory and it just goes on forever. And then you get these pig skulls which are supposed to be the first humans. And the big bang which created fish who grew legs, did a flip and turned into apes. I'm exaggerating but In my opinion the Big Bang/ Evolution deal takes more faith in the absurd the creation.
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posted January 17, 2006 10:08 PM |
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There are a couple of problems with global flood and Noah's ark story:
* How did Asian and Negro people survive?
* How have animlas from the ark spread to other continents?
As PH, I think it unscientific that upon finding that the wood has no rings, they take the biblical explanation - of having no rains and mist rising from the earth. How could there be no rains and sufficient irrigation for plant life? Perhaps it has been extremely humid? But wouldn't that mean that it would rain?
It does seem to be a large created structure. But as you guys say, if they started off trying to prove a different story, they may end up proving that it is something else. For example that it is the remains of a spaceship from another planet that uses strange hull materials made of organic matter that is not a tree (has no rings). Or maybe that it is a giant building - perhaps some unknown civilisation had a tradition of building boat-like structures for some purpose. Or maybe someone did indeed build a boat - but that doesn't mean the flood happened or that the boat was ever used. Maybe it's a statue or memorial boat. Too many assumptions made.
I think we are not challenging Christian faith in God here. We are challenging details, and the Church has been known to be mistaken about details in the past - such as the shape of the world.
I think Bible is an inspired text written down by humans. And I think it implies these things:
1) Writers could have misinterpreted what God was "saying" in parts of the book.
2) The book could have been inaccurately translated or deliberately edited afterwards - either by error or to achieve a particular effect.
Some people have absolute belief in every single word of the Bible. But why? Has God personally told them? Or is it just what the majority of people told them? And out of that majority, how many people have been personally told by God that every word in the Bible, in its current edition, is correct?
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