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Valeriy
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posted January 21, 2006 09:03 PM |
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Some psychiatrists and counsellors are the most disgusting people on earth who need serious treatment themselves - generally you will feel a strong distaste and hate for them without being able to tell why you feel that. Trust your feelings on this on this (they will assure you that what you feel is part of your problem and nothing to do with them). It's important to find a psych/councellor who feels genuine to you, not the one who agrees with you and doesn't challenge you, but the one who you can respect as a good human being.
I'm saying this because if you meet a crap one to start with (crap ones can have high titles and charge a lot too), it's easy to think they are all like that. But it just takes a bit more looking around. The handy words for crap ones are "I prefer not to continue my treatment with you" and if they start reasoning about it "I am looking at different proffessionals and I have an arrangement with someone else, I must go now".
Good ones are out there.
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Aculias
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posted January 22, 2006 01:28 AM |
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Yea I was being partially sarcastic Consis but I think you can get more info from people who actually been through stuff then some who study it but never actually come to think on how people really feel, they go on the most common subjects on most patince.Even Princible may know a bit more then Psychiatrist.
Valiery i agree, theres 2 differences between good & bad therapists.
One is money hungry ones that dont care about thier patient but to make thier money & then theres those who would do anythang for them & actually care about them.
Both have the same difference, they both studied & do what they love.
Bad ones, as long as they do thier job.
They just cant wait to go home & be with thier family & the so called NORMAL people so to speak.
What is normal?
I dont think anyone really knows because to a certain individual NORMAL can mean dif thangs.
To me everyone is normal.
Were all human, were not perfect.
Not even Bort 
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Nidhgrin
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posted January 22, 2006 01:54 AM |
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I'm a rather upbeat person, but have had a depression once in a situation that'd have gotten pretty much everyone depressed I guess. Since I live fast I do take quite a lot of damage along the way, but I have learned to cope with loss and pain, and try get the most out of positive experiences - and notice the positive wherever I can.
Seemingly this is easier for some people than for others though. My younger brother has been depressed for years now, is taking some sort of medication and has seen a couple of therapists aswell. The last few months things are finally improving for him, and everyone notices he's just pulling himself out of that hole - something nobody else seemed to be able to, he's doing it himself 
I hope this won't sound stupid or oversimplified, but perhaps this may add something to this discussion and maybe help RD and others too.
One of the things that helped me tremendously, is changing my focus from the future (and unreachable goals) or the past (bad things that happened but that cannot be changed) to the present moment. Things that have already been mentioned like sports, yoga but even a diet (not kidding) or just paying attention to cooking and stuff can pull your focus to the 'now'.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the thing that seems to make depressions get worse (not the actual cause of the depression itself) is the feeling of loss of control. Once you manage to establish even a slight feeling of control over your personal life or interaction with the world, you have a weapon at hand to stop that depression from getting worse. Define short term goals for yourself and consciously live every moment and feed on the good feeling accomplishing those goals brings. Something that might work is for instance: today I mowed the lawn, and I went over to my grandparents to bring them some groceries. But things like losing 6 pounds can also help of course - the important thing is to identify a number of achieved goals each day and to start from there. From a certain point you can start defining larger goals for yourself, which you should never perceive as absolute - just chances or opportunities you work towards. If they don't work out as planned, no problem, next time you are armed with more experience to detect a fork in the road sooner.
If things do get too much, then talk to people - whether it's a stranger on the bus or your parents or partner - just talk. You feel like you know nobody to talk to? Then write stuff down, post things on public forums on the internet, whatever - but just let those thoughts and feelings out of your system. Way too heavy to even start communicating about? Then seek some silence, go for a walk in the forest or by the sea and let the wind or the rain blow it all away. I'm sure medication can help if things are way too heavy, but atleast in my opinion they could serve as a temporary fix but I'm not convinced they will cause long term improval in the situation if they're not supported by other therapeutical means.
Depression is a battle against yourself. Someone else cannot win it for you, but that doesn't mean you are all alone.
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Khaelo
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posted January 22, 2006 02:43 AM |
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Aculias, I'm saying that a school counselor deals with teenagers for a living -- it's reasonable to assume that they have wider experience and deeper expertice than an average Joe on the street (or forum as the case may be). We can certainly share our experiences and hope that RealDeal finds them valuable. But we can't diagnose him on the basis of, what?, a page of information and our own speculations. Nor can we advise him on things like, for example, will his parents be notified if he goes on antidepressants? He doesn't want to bring this up with his family, but (I think) he's a minor and these are major medications. What are the details of medical confidentiality in Denmark? If the school counselor doesn't know, s/he will probably be able to direct RD to someone who does.
Sorry if the peanut remark came off badly.  But I do think RD should talk to a pro in real life; there's only so far a forum can help him.
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TheRealDeal
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posted January 22, 2006 11:25 AM |
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I turned 18 5 days ago.. So i can go to the doctors and what now; and my parents won't be notified.. I am nolonger a minor =)
About the Diet; it's actually 10 pounds =) .. I've heard something about these antidepresseants.. Is it true that if you use them for a longer period, your body stops producing "happy" vibes? Because the pills have been doing it for such a long time?
And unfortunetly the shrink is only there on uneven weeks, on fridays, between 9-11 am, so theres quite somet ime till i get the chance to speak with him.
And guys, i really don't think that Khaelo's remark was to upset anyone.. And i agree with here.. I'm not saying that EVERY shrink is better than EVERY Average Joe.. But in the big picture, i think the shrinks are better..
In the last couple of days my depression hasn't been too strong.. And the only thing thats changed is that i've been listening to a lot of a band called Avenged Sevenfold.. Which i recently discovered; oh yeah.. and i decided to not go drinking with my friends this weekend.. Which is really not my style.. But the relaxing might have been good for me.
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Aculias
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posted January 22, 2006 11:42 AM |
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Na I know what she meant.
I just was curioud about hercomment but i understand that people who deal with kids like a princible would have some education since his kids at his school is his children.
DIdnt mean to make my remark sound harsh.
All we can do is give advice & opinions.
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TheRealDeal
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posted January 22, 2006 09:50 PM |
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I've just gotten home from the movies.. I went to dinner with a girl from my class and her 11 year old little sister, and then we went to the movies. We're just friends, and its probably gonna stay that way.. But.. For the first night in a long time, i'm not depressed
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Aculias
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posted January 23, 2006 12:56 AM |
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Didnt I tell ya.
I knew what your problem was & dont forget what i told ya CHris.
I say it straight up & i wont tell you no false hopes. You will be fine lol.
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Lady_Milena
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posted February 02, 2006 12:56 AM |
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Unfortunately, I have a long long long history of depression and I'm unfortunate to be in the same position until the rest of my life. Because I've gone through a lot to learn a few things about myself - and ultimately about shrinks, depression and medication - I'll share some with you.
First and in my opinion most important thing is to tie depression to a reason. In most cases depression is a direct result of a specific cause. Simple example: loss of relative, failing an important exam, breaking up with a significant other. Once you've pinpointed the reason, the best solution is to start working on it. Seeking the help of a professional, a friend or someone who can be supportive or understanding of you helps tremendously. Finding the right medication to alleviate suffering (ie make life bearable meanwhile) can aid the process too.
Second and very important is to determine if depression is cyclic and if it is, to find out what unleashes said depression. Is the person sensitive to weather change, is there something on the backburner that surfaces every once in a while?
The hardest of all is to determine the right diagnosis. It seems a simple task at first sight but in fact it's not. A lot of people exhibit symptoms of a few disorders at a time and because some symptoms are more obvious, others are neglected / not asked about. That's how people get treated for depression and medication doesn't help.
However, to truthfully answer your question I have to emphasize that above all else ONE thing must be determined and that is: what is the cause of the disorder - organic or emotional. It's a common misconception that all depression has a deeply rooted background. Happiness, despair and the likes are not only states of mind but they are dependent on chemical factors in the brain. I'm not going to delve in biochemistry here. My point here is that some disorders, especially depression-related, may have purely organic origin. In other words, there is NO reason why you wake up in the morning with morbid thoughts when your life is going OK for you.
If the case of your depression is organic and you can't function because of it, medication is I would say mandatory. It is because you can do nothing else about your depression. All you can do is try to find the right medication for you and be able to afford it of course.
Please have in mind one thing and I'm serious about it. Don't underestimate depression. Don't take it for granted or let it eat you without doing anything about it. It's a serious condition and if ignored it could lead to devastating consequences at times.
The best thing to do is to take to a professional. Only they can determine the type of your disorder you have, advise you on treatment and prescribe the right medication for you, should you need it.
But it's also essential to remember two things. First, do rely on those who you can rely on - your family, friends, loved ones. Tell someone you trust about the way you feel so that you are not alone and have understanding and help. But... most of all never forget that your life is your own responsibility. Many people do not and cannot crawl out of the deep pit because they lack the energy of motivation to do it themselves. It's easy to go down the drain but coming back to the surface requires a lot of determination and will. Others may be supportive and loving but it's only a crutch. Help yourself, try to be strong and the others will help you too.
I wish this somehow helped.
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Under the line is a little bit of personal experience. I've been a victim (because I think that those experiencing depression are victims) since early childhood. In the middle of my teens it came to my attention that others are *not* like me and do not live with the same darkness in their heads. Then I was wrongly diagnosed with depression and treated for it for years with antidepressants that didn't work and now I know, will never work. It was only recently that the culprit was recognized and I finally found the proper kind of medication that does help. Unfortunately I wasted so much time of my life that I can't claim back. I only wish things were clearer for me earlier.
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