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Zsa
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posted April 18, 2006 09:12 PM |
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Secondly, Jebus can be retarded sometimes, especially when having BAD LUCK on it (bugs can usually be either ignored or "repaired").
Example 1: tiny map (smallest I ever got), 1 pandora only (5k exp), 2 Monk dwells, 1 A, 2 P-K skills around, 2 crypts and a treasury. No artie, no Tope, no nothing to build up a decent hero. I play a noob, so he's accepting my resignation day 7 and accepts my ToH report. What should I say to him? Easy points are welcomed any time, right?
Example 2: I play a vet (young fellow), I attack lots Fiends guarding lvl 3 shrine AND Axe (+2A) with my 3 Angels (only). I estimated they should not be more than 22-25. I found out were 34, so I lost an Angel. Later someone told me the Axe was prolly a quest artifact, which explains their high number. Ok, I play on, no reload asked (nor offered), my mistake. Week 2 I lose another Angel (AA this time) to 18-19 Monarchs (scout fight) guarding Tome of Fire, just before chaining everything to Gerwulf waiting to break (week 2, day 5). But bad luck, instead of a probable win thanks to early break I have to resign (no chance with 1 AA only). Again, no ask for reload, nor offered. Instead, he laughs and tells me: "This was my fastest win for more than 2 years" and pockets the points.
Possible cause(s) for all this? Well, either BAD LUCK, or being STUPID, or playing not that HONOURABLE opponents. Or maybe a combination of all 3. 
example one gabi, I do not understand it. If you play a newb, don't matter if your starting area sucks, you'll still probably win.
second example I don't get it either. You messed up. Game I'm still playing atm, I attacked lots of chaos hydras with inferno. The battle was taking a long while (as expected) and I managed to mess it up . My big fukup is after an attack and a move backwards, devils morale. I wait with them and attack after, forgetting for the moment that moraled waited units always move first.
And to my great surprise the hydras attack back... and they morale.  GG 2 devils. Why on earth would I ask for a restart for this.
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GabyStan
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Seeking Wisdom
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posted April 19, 2006 01:44 AM |
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Yes, I admit both of you Maretti and Zsa have a good point in me having no point to complain about me acting stupid. Only I always give/receive a reload from players like Russ, KhounHerve, Vanadiasruler, Durell, GvB, Tigris, Maretti, Frank (the last two only received from) and most of those who I play often and consider friends, in a situation when the "lots" of creatures happen to be much closer to hoarde, a mistake made with a hero, time exceeding before building week 1 and so on. It's also true I'm stil not that good at estimating the forces of creatures guarding certain stuff (especially when multiple items) on templates. I guess that will improve as I gather experience and I'll know when to avoid a possible lethal fight.
Zsa, I think your example is not that good, because it was a full army fight against creatures you knew what to expect from (approximate strenght), and it was only a mistake from your part and a bad luck for you (good one for the hydras, though, so it was evened out ). Although I often have opponents morale 2-3 times more than me in spite of their lesser morale, I never brought that into a conversation about a bad game I had. It's not that I enjoy it, either...
When I make a mistake I only blame myself and that's it, which is the case in my second example, so you're right about questioning my point with it, only I wasn't expecting my young "friend" to act like he did. Neither expected the opposite, to tell you the truth, that's why I never said a word about reloading or something. He was just accepting a fightless win, that's all. I had worse players, who complain all game about their bad luck and poverty and come Imploding my army later on. But that's a different chapter of all this...
P.S. I remember of my 3 resignations week 1 vs Mighty_Cheloo due to stupid mistakes when I was a noob (and seems like I still am sometimes), before he murdered me in a "real" fight in the forth.
And Zsa, it's true I could still win from such bad map also, especially vs noobs (not sure why I play noobs, in the first place  ), but as long as it was my worst Jebus side ever (my 1st template game - vs Maretti - was also one of the worst, followed by 2 more in a row, before balancing it out with decent/good/perfect ones), I though is best not to prolong my frustration hoping I can make up for it (hehe, then why complain about it, right?).
P.S.S. Maybe its worth mentioning I made no report a few times only because my opponent felt he got no chance to make a game of it, in spite of a noticeable better situation then they've thought it is. And it didn't happen in week 1 or 2, either, but much later.
Nevermind, it's still about what we know inside, not that is reflected to the outside world...
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Zsa
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2006 06:09 AM |
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Edited by Zsa on 19 Apr 2006
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I understand you gabi.
However, I find that my example was good in my opinion because it's not like I didn't estimate the number of chaos hydras right. I was prepared for any number of em within the lots limit (i really didn't have anyway of knowing it since they weren't guarding something of fixed treasure value - 2 pan boxes and a prison). My mistake was a mental fart, not like I learned about the morale/ wait thing yesterday.
About players talking snow, it's a mental game anyway; the idea is to let your guard down, or slow down you play. I don't see how that's a worse player to play. You should make your decisions in the game based on what you know yourself not on what opponent tells you.
I'm not cheap on restarts either. Your time runs out, of course i'll let you build the building, you attack with a scout by mistake or forget to give your units to main hero - of course i'll give you a restart.
Pitlords morale in battle and you lose a hydra or w/e, nobody has asked me yet for something like this, but I don't think i'd give a restart for this. I'd have to restart every 3 turns this way, if me and my opponent ask for restarts based on that.
You lose a behemoth cause you estimated the wrong amount of creatures, well you'll know better next time. You can't have something for nothing you know .
If you take a risk like attack horde of elves only with 2 angels so you won't lose any units or so you don't have to chain more army to your main - that's a no restart.
You pick a scholar up - stick with it. You wouldn't ask me for a restart if you got log or a primary skill out of it now would you.
Basically what i'm saying is:
1. I will offer restarts for anything that was a pure mistake by your part (misclick, not enough time to build, autocombat was on when you started etc.)
2. I will not offer restarts, where you take a risk and hope to reap the benefits but refuse to pay the price.
That's as good as cheating me and cheating yourself at the same time. There is no free lunch ladies. You dance with the flames gabi, expect to get burnt  .
So finally, I don't think I would have offered restarts when you lost that angel vs pit lords. And I really do not think I am a player who's looking for a quick, undeserved win. I still have unreported won games on toh that I haven't reported because either my opponent said he was drunk or my opponent was acting like a total dick because he was losing. I don't need the drama, or the bad honor report, screw him.
In alta ordine de idei, cand bagam si noi un joc nea gabi?
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"You sound like zsa who only plays the game on forums" - Russ
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 19, 2006 07:03 AM |
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Rychenroller I dont think your example is good because it makes no sense
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted April 19, 2006 02:51 PM |
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You fooled me Zsa for so long, but you are right with just about everything there, colega!
We'll have a game any (first) time we're both free...
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Khounherve
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 19, 2006 06:58 PM |
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I also totally agree with Zsa. If you risk take a dwelling angel
week one and loose one angel for instance. Thats a risk you take. I was short one tile with main yesteray to take dwelling angel, after i fought 45 golems with him to open dweling 7, i loose very little army. Then i take a weak scout to fight dwelling cause i also had a dungeon. Angels got 2 morales and i die with all my week one army. I took the risk cause it would have given me 8 angels instead of 5 week2. Finally i end up with 4 angels week2 and lossed all archers zelots crusaders pikes. I continued play, i would never ask a relaod for that. If you forget build or forget army on main adn things like that, an honourful opponent will give a reload. If he doesnt and i loose, i will report cause it is his choice not to offer reload. i will just think. that guy is not very honorable. If a map is snowed, for instance no road to casttle on jebus or horde wiverns blocking second town in balance. I think its the victim of the snowed map that should choose "i continue" or not. But bad blockers on jebus this is indeed "no luck" but is not sufficient to ask a restart, except if you cannot go out of your main town.
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Plexus22
Known Hero
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posted April 19, 2006 09:48 PM |
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I had worse players, who complain all game about their bad luck and poverty and come Imploding my army later on. But that's a different chapter of all this...
It's called mind games, lots of players do it and IMO its as fair a strategy as any in game strategy. Like Zsa said, don't believe your opponent, beleive your own knowledge and your own evidence from observing your opponent.
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I'm not cheap on restarts either. Your time runs out, of course i'll let you build the building, you attack with a scout by mistake or forget to give your units to main hero - of course i'll give you a restart.
Pitlords morale in battle and you lose a hydra or w/e, nobody has asked me yet for something like this, but I don't think i'd give a restart for this. I'd have to restart every 3 turns this way, if me and my opponent ask for restarts based on that.
Wow! Zsa your very generous. I would never ask for a restart for any of those reasons. I've lost my chance to build many times cuz time ran out and also failed to chain troops all the way to my main when my opponent is nearby cuz time ran out. I would feel like an idiot asking for a restart because of a mistake I made playing the game. Thats the whole point in learning and getting better....hopefully one day I won't make stupid mistakes. Theres always a chance of morale (unless fighting undead or elementals) so you have to think about that when going into a fight. I really only think it fair to request a redo if theres a problem thats out of my control, like a map error. If its not out of your control than you have the control to avoid it.
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russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted April 19, 2006 10:54 PM |
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I can't remember a single time I ran out of time to building my main town.
So, here are the tips for those who do:
1) Building your main town should be your #1 priority on every turn. It should be the first thing you do on each turn (unless you have a very good reason to not do so). If you do so, you'll never run out of time or forget to build (as I often do with my other towns).
2) Plan your building for the entire week (or more) DURING YOUR OPPONENT'S TURNS. That way you'll know EXACTLY what you'll build each day and you won't waste ANY time during your turn thinking "amm... this or that?" If you are short on a certain resource, make 2 or even more building plans such as: "If I find 10 more ore by the end of day 5, I'll build this, if I don't, I'll build that."
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Zsa
Famous Hero
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posted April 20, 2006 01:14 AM |
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I usually don't run out of time either. I do however run out of time sometimes when i play with inferno on 4 minutes, when I have a lot of chaining and computations for demon hoarding to do. That's why I try not to play on 4 min anymore, specially with ferno
But yah, it's always a healthy rule to impose on yourself to build first if you can.
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"You sound like zsa who only plays the game on forums" - Russ
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted April 20, 2006 10:41 AM |
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Building on start of turn is nice theory, but only works till day 4/5 week 1 on tough templates. On day 6 and 7, u (at least my experience) have to collect the needed resources to build your castle or level 7 dwell. Often there are some more fights needed on that days than before, so as Zsa stated correct, chaining costs more time end of the week.
Thatīs why i donīt play 2 minute turns. This is meant to be a TURNBASED game, not a realtime game. But if again the guy who can click his mouse faster than the other, wins the game, it has nothing to do with turnbased.
I know there is something like "speed" chess, but besides thinking about your next move, u have nothing else to do than hit ONE button. So i guess u canīt compare that.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 20, 2006 03:19 PM |
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As long as you plan ahead then it should only take 5 seconds on your time to build in your castle either first or last.
It is just as important to move your heroes as much as to build your structures.
Compromise whats more important each day if you feel you are running out of time to make sure you get the important thangs done just incase.
Yes i ran out of time many times on 4 minutes
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted April 20, 2006 04:24 PM |
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Yes, Angelito, its called "blitz chess" in Romania. About biulding in town, it happens many time not to have the resources when the day starts, so you gotta pick up some and sometimes fight for those resources too, so that's not always applicable, Russ.
And those so-called mind games sometimes seem (and are) same aso lying to me, that's why I don't ask/listen anything ANY MORE about how game's going on for those players who I don't trust entirely (like I trust Angelito, for example). But I am used from my Chess/Go years long ago NOT TO TALK AT ALL during a game, so I only do it for being friendly, avoiding as much possible talking about the current game. Not to mention the fact I almost always am busy doing other stuff while playing (my salads are keeping me alive for real, but killing me in games  ), so can't really focus on my next moves during opponent's turns. I only stay still on my chair at very important moments of the game.
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zebellah
Hired Hero
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posted April 20, 2006 04:40 PM |
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I ve played many games with Pengu and he is a nice player.It is very sad for anyone when u realize u have spend your time for nothing.
I ve played with eagle eye_76 also and I am sure he has an excuse for saving the game because he is a nice player too.
Morever, it is a good idea to make a report b4 starting the game and after the game as usual.
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russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted April 20, 2006 04:42 PM |
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Edited by russ on 20 Apr 2006
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Why do you people never read?
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1) Building your main town should be your #1 priority on every turn. It should be the first thing you do on each turn (unless you have a very good reason to not do so).
And for those who doubt it - yes, not having enough resources IS in fact a good reason. It is also why I wrote this part:Quote:
If you are short on a certain resource, make 2 or even more building plans such as: "If I find 10 more ore by the end of day 5, I'll build this, if I don't, I'll build that."
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so can't really focus on my next moves during opponent's turns. I only stay still on my chair at very important moments of the game.
Ok, that explains why some of your turns take forever Spending 1-2 mins thinking about your next move instead of chatting on the MSN will have at least 2 benefits: 1) it will make your opponent happier and 2) it will also make you win more
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted April 20, 2006 05:10 PM |
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Why do you people never read?
I didn't say I chat on MSN, Russ, but just trying to stay ALIVE.
That's by preparing food, mind you...
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russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted April 20, 2006 05:31 PM |
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Just how much do you eat, Gaby? 
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Plexus22
Known Hero
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posted April 20, 2006 08:43 PM |
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I can't remember a single time I ran out of time to building my main town.
So, here are the tips for those who do:
1) Building your main town should be your #1 priority on every turn. It should be the first thing you do on each turn (unless you have a very good reason to not do so). If you do so, you'll never run out of time or forget to build (as I often do with my other towns).
2) Plan your building for the entire week (or more) DURING YOUR OPPONENT'S TURNS. That way you'll know EXACTLY what you'll build each day and you won't waste ANY time during your turn thinking "amm... this or that?" If you are short on a certain resource, make 2 or even more building plans such as: "If I find 10 more ore by the end of day 5, I'll build this, if I don't, I'll build that."
Yep, that's what I try to do uless as many others have mentioned I don't have the resources to build what I want that turn. Sometimes I think maybe I have a chance of getting that pile of wood or ore thats sitting half way accross the map if I chain my troops correctly and then I can build the castle but taking those chaining risks sometimes result in no building at all that turn
I'm much better now at estimating what I can and cant build in a week given the richness of the map than I used to be
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Khounherve
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 20, 2006 09:12 PM |
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I ve played many games with Pengu and he is a nice player.It is very sad for anyone when u realize u have spend your time for nothing.
I ve played with eagle eye_76 also and I am sure he has an excuse for saving the game because he is a nice player too.
Morever, it is a good idea to make a report b4 starting the game and after the game as usual.
I don't doubt Pengu is a nice and good player. We had unfortunately a game creating a misunderstanding and i admit i was frustrated of this. He certainly offers reload to others players for justified reasons. Just one thing i disagree with him is that a "serious" error on map is a good reason to make a restart. And on balance map, you have 2 native town available week one. All the strategy is based on this. His point of view is that you begin with one town and there are plenty other towns to take, and that if second town is blocked thats only unlucky. I could agree if this is a "normal" block, but if its the horde of wiverns that should be on the breaking point instead of block the casttle, i consider this like an error on the map. Nevertheless, a "good" player don't need report a win for such things, a person considering him as good level don't need that to win.
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Pengu
Hired Hero
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posted April 21, 2006 02:51 AM |
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Kounherve, let's just forget that game ever happened.
I see now that those wyverns was supposed to guard the way to the desert and they were doing alot more than that. I had no idea what they were guarding and u never told me. And seeing as that was the case a restart would had been in place. I am sorry and hope we could play again some day.
/Pengu
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khounherve
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 24, 2006 09:05 PM |
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Kounherve, let's just forget that game ever happened.
I see now that those wyverns was supposed to guard the way to the desert and they were doing alot more than that. I had no idea what they were guarding and u never told me. And seeing as that was the case a restart would had been in place. I am sorry and hope we could play again some day.
/Pengu
I agree Pengu, this was a misunderstanding that made us both angry hehe. So lets forget that unfortunate game. We can play again no problem. See ya
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