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Meph
Adventuring Hero
Rampaging Rampart
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posted March 26, 2006 08:51 PM |
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There is one flaw. Tower Army > Stronghold Army when it comes to pure speed. Thus Tower can cast spells giving the Titans the edge towards them Behemoths. Not that hard.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
being digested. E=mc^2, s=vt
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posted March 26, 2006 11:18 PM |
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True, but on templates like balanced, you only need mass spells, not damage spells. With mass haste, slow and stoneskin, a balanced barbarian hero will surely win, even a tough siege.
BTW: Crag hack on 10 level with expert balistics and earth and with earthquake spell rox. Siege won in turn 3 without many casualites. Catapult bashes one tower, earthquake the other one, and on the next turn catapult smashes the rest.
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 27, 2006 10:08 AM |
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Yeah, but if behemoths block titans turn one, titans won't be able to choose the target - they will only be able to defend, wait, or attack ancients.
Yes but Titans have no melee Penalty, so of course you are going to attack the Ancient, or you could always cast haste and then move Titans away from the Ancients and then shoot them with all they have, until the Ancients die.
Also I have played Stronghold, i really like Stronghold it is one of my favourite towns apart from the Tower. But as you stated before Crag Hack with his attck, and defense skills and his offense, but I could also have Crag Hack with my Titans with him and I could deal more damage than Titans as I would be stronger if we had the equal stats as you stated before that Crag would have with his Ancient Behemoths, With my Titans in his army, I would still be stronger, and I would be stronger when I have Crag that has 10 attack skill or even more.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted March 27, 2006 05:41 PM |
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Hack does nothing special to your Titans shots. Also haste is not enough to get away from Ancient Behemots.
Its obvious that you are either try to spam the library and having fun about that other reply, or you dont even have a clue about what you are talking about and that you dont care that you are making fun out of yourself.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
being digested. E=mc^2, s=vt
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posted March 27, 2006 05:47 PM |
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Yeah, but if behemoths block titans turn one, titans won't be able to choose the target - they will only be able to defend, wait, or attack ancients.
Yes but Titans have no melee Penalty, so of course you are going to attack the Ancient, or you could always cast haste and then move Titans away from the Ancients and then shoot them with all they have, until the Ancients die.
Also I have played Stronghold, i really like Stronghold it is one of my favourite towns apart from the Tower. But as you stated before Crag Hack with his attck, and defense skills and his offense, but I could also have Crag Hack with my Titans with him and I could deal more damage than Titans as I would be stronger if we had the equal stats as you stated before that Crag would have with his Ancient Behemoths, With my Titans in his army, I would still be stronger, and I would be stronger when I have Crag that has 10 attack skill or even more.
Yer, right... Very good William. You better stick to your solmyr (he's da bomb!) and kick @$$ with titans.
I don't understand, man, I am like year younger than you...
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted March 27, 2006 06:58 PM |
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well. i must disagree with all who proclaim the ancient behemoth the best creature in the game. my reasons are several:
1. it does not fly
2. it has a pretty low speed and therefore it cannot reach ranged attackers the first round
3. it has only 19 defence. the attack is also 19 but it special helps that.
4. in most maps, you have to choose between cyclopses??? and behemoths while the other towns easily build both their sixth and seventh level structures.
5. finally, i engaged an archangel and an ancient behemoth in one on one combat. the heroes had equal stats and the same secondary skills, the ground was neutral (underground terrain as far as i remember). giving wait to the archangel makes it the winner (9 health left) if no luck or moral is present.
as far as the best creature, i don't know. for me. the MOST USEFUl creature is the archangel, for its stats, flying and resurrecting abilities.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
being digested. E=mc^2, s=vt
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posted March 27, 2006 08:14 PM |
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Do you at least play a game on the internet? Then you would realize, that you can get ancient behemoths day 3. You can't get any upg. level 7 sooner. Aha, and a skilled barbarian will greatly increase the stats of ancient behemoth. Next, compare the costs of AA and ancient. For three AAs, you can get 5 behemoths. Doesn't fly and can't reach defenders? Teleport and mass haste plus expert tactics?
But if you prefer to think your way, think your way. I am not an exorcist or something like that...
Anyway, blessed or bloodlusted ancient will win against an angel.
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Russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted March 27, 2006 09:36 PM |
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Teleport and mass haste plus expert tactics?
Why does everyone talk about teleport so much? "Oh, I'll teleport my hydras and kick ass!", or "I'll teleport my ancients and they'll kick ass!". Have any of you actually tried casting teleport in an online game? I don't think you even need to play in an online game to understand what will happen, actually.
Round 1: you teleport your hydras/ancients/whatever else to the other side. Your opponent casts mass slow.
Round 2: your hydras/ancients/whatever else are dead, your opponent have already casted some useful spell like mass shield and when you finally get a turn, the rest of your army is still far away with mass slow on it.
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fishjie
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 27, 2006 10:27 PM |
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^ well with hydras, since they are considerably slower then the other level 7s, by the time its their turn to move, you will be able to assess the situation and determine whether or not teleport would be the best move. at that point, the opponent has probably already cast a spell, so there won't be any nasty surprises. it wouldn't be a smart move to teleport round 1 in every fight, that's why you'd look at it on a case by case basis. right????
yeah titans are garbage in h3 compared to in h2, because archers were severely nerfed in this game. h2 titans were killers, in h3 they are expensive and a lot weaker.
behemoths are good, however, because of their slower speed and vulnerability to magic, stuff like blind really cripples them, and so they are nowhere near the best unit (if you cast earthquake to tear down the siege walls, that means you behemoths are blinded and cannot move - what now? titans happily wipe out the rest of the army). i would think that titans would have the upper hand in this fight.
i'd say the best unit is either archangel because its fastest, ressurects, does the same damage every time (fixed at 50), and has huge hp and great stats, or the black dragon, because its immune to magic.
however, since angels pretty much always get first move, except in a few rare cases, you could antimagic them and now the black dragons have no advantage over them.
finally, i think william is a lot younger than his profile claims....
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TNT_Addict
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Beautiful Liar
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posted March 27, 2006 11:08 PM |
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Why does everyone talk about teleport so much?
Once teleport saved my life, I was rampart and my opponent was fortress, he blocked my elves with his dragon flies first turn and didn't cast anything, then after I waited the elves and had some melee clashing with his wyverns and basilisks I teleported the elves to a protected spot and was able to kill many of his gorgons without their retaliation.
So teleport isn't always used for offence but a deffencive tactic is also a possiblility  .
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 28, 2006 09:10 AM |
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Yeah, but if behemoths block titans turn one, titans won't be able to choose the target - they will only be able to defend, wait, or attack ancients.
Yes but Titans have no melee Penalty, so of course you are going to attack the Ancient, or you could always cast haste and then move Titans away from the Ancients and then shoot them with all they have, until the Ancients die.
Also I have played Stronghold, i really like Stronghold it is one of my favourite towns apart from the Tower. But as you stated before Crag Hack with his attck, and defense skills and his offense, but I could also have Crag Hack with my Titans with him and I could deal more damage than Titans as I would be stronger if we had the equal stats as you stated before that Crag would have with his Ancient Behemoths, With my Titans in his army, I would still be stronger, and I would be stronger when I have Crag that has 10 attack skill or even more.
Yer, right... Very good William. You better stick to your solmyr (he's da bomb!) and kick @$$ with titans.
I don't understand, man, I am like year younger than you...
OK YOU KEEP ON INSULTING ME BECAUSE I DONT CARE. All I am doing is stating an opinion, and with your Earlier post XARFAX Im not spamming the Library IM ONLY POSTING MY OPINIONS.
So would you all please stop insulting my opinions and stop disagreeing with everything I say, because frankly im sick of it.
Im not spamming im postin my opinions thats all.
THANKYOU.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted March 28, 2006 01:02 PM |
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Do you at least play a game on the internet? Then you would realize, that you can get ancient behemoths day 3
will somebody explain to me how?
the only thing i can think of is that you start with goblins and wolves, build rocs and then behemoths and you find a unprotected hill fort. if you do this when you play the impossible difficulty which is the only one worth considering, you can as well win from the lottery
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supersonic
Famous Hero
being digested. E=mc^2, s=vt
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posted March 28, 2006 07:13 PM |
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The one you said is possible, but with good scouts, strong hack and ambition on expansion, you can buy their dwelling day 3. I am not talking about Jebus, where only a noob wouldn't get it on day three.
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 29, 2006 09:31 AM |
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Yes you are right, you can buy the Ancient Behemoths dwelling within a few days, but compared to the Titans with Attack and Defense and speed they are no match for the Titans.
You could just keep casting spells at the Behemoths and when the Behemoths come near, you could cast Stoneskin or prayer, and then just hit the Behemoth with everything you have got, and you will find that it is not that hard to kill a Behemoth it is quite easy compared to when you are trying to kill a Titan.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted March 29, 2006 10:39 AM |
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this opens another very important question - do you prefer to build a capital and have money for a smaller number of troops, or you prefer to build creature dwellings and not be able to buy the consequent populations?
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greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted March 29, 2006 11:10 AM |
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William, by what time you have your giants upgraded to titans? Week 2? Week 3? They are no match for ancient behemoths.. Behemoths will eat them. Alive.
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 29, 2006 11:10 AM |
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What has that got to do with this topic, sorry if I sound mean, but this is about the best unit, not about whether to build capitol first etc.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
being digested. E=mc^2, s=vt
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posted March 29, 2006 04:36 PM |
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Map needed! Stronghold vs Tower, to show william, who is really Da BOMB in homm3. William, you prefer to play on expert or impossible? Which one suits your style of hack-n-slash, titans day 1 and solmyr with 20 attack?
I have my opinion, you have yours and its okay. No offence.
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
gets back
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posted March 29, 2006 05:44 PM |
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Actually, Ancients are really not that hard to kill/disable and once they are gone, stronghold army is history. It relies too much on one unit, I believe.
A few topics ago I tried stronghold vs tower, stronghold had mass haste amd tactics and first round blitzed withh all units.
It was a massacre. Stronghold got massacred; that is.
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 30, 2006 09:31 AM |
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Map needed! Stronghold vs Tower, to show william, who is really Da BOMB in homm3. William, you prefer to play on expert or impossible? Which one suits your style of hack-n-slash, titans day 1 and solmyr with 20 attack?
I have my opinion, you have yours and its okay. No offence.
Actually I dont think that Solymyr is the BEST hero.
The best Heroes and my fav are:
Neela (best hero for Tower), Fafner and Solmyr.
And why do you persist in trying to make me change my mind and persist in trying to prove that I am wrong about the Titans?
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