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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted April 09, 2006 04:10 AM |
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Hacks or Mods, are they any good
Hello.
I do not have the WoG mod for HOMM3, and I don't really want it.
It is to big, and with my current internet connection, it would take to long.
Sure WoG has really nice upgrades, but are we missing something here.
The original version of the game is in my opinion the best, and when you put Mods and all that stuff, it just makes you miss what the game is about. The game is mean't to be played how it was sold and not have some Mods been put on it.
Sure everyone likes the mods, but they make us miss what the game is really about and they only show us visual and they change the game entirely. They take us away from the originality of the game, and place us with some new version of the game, which has some new troops and new town. But that's not what the game producers wanted. That's why they added the expansion packs and they added the new town the Conflux, I don't think that they wanted for another town to be made, and then taking over the game, with some new troops and fully taking us away from what was original and fun to play. No I do not think that is what the game producers wanted to happen, and I don''t really want it to happen either.
It adds another dimension to the game if you know what I mean, and that is not how the game was intended to be played.
The WoG adds some really cool units, and a new town, but that's not what the game is about.
The Town might look really cool, and the units might be totally awesome, but are we forgetting that these mods are making us miss the integral parts of the gameplay and dimensions to the game.
I don't have WoG, I want it to see how it is, but I wouldn't keep it, because I like originality and I like playing the game how it was mean't to be played.
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Binabik
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posted April 09, 2006 06:06 AM |
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Well, of course you can play what you want. I don't know what percentage of H3 players use WOG. And a lot of people probably don't even know about it. The game is for entertainment and you can play how you want.
I used to play heroes a LOT and went through both expansions. I've never really gotten tired of the game, but I don't play nearly as much as I used to. (I think I've cut down to 18 hours a day )
I started playing WOG a couple years ago. It brought back some new life to a game I had already played for 6841684539 hours. I know 6841684539 hours isn't very long, but I get bored easily. After I got WOG, I was back up to playing 29 hours a day again.
I had fun new stuff to play around with, so I wasn't bored. There were so many new things in WOG, it was like opening presents at Christmas. There is always a new surprise for you. Like the time I saw 7 vamp lords and thought I could kick their butt with my week 2 army. So I attacked them. When I right clicked on them - dang, those lords have 170 HP each and att/def of 24 with speed 12 - how the heck am I going to beat those things, they'll just keep regenerating.
So I learned to never attack something unless I knew what it was. It was like the very first time I ever played HOMM. Back when I didn't know if I could beat that pack of imps. So I'd have to look in the manual to find what an imp is. Once I found out what they were I wouldn't attack, because I lost most of my army fighting that pack of gnolls. And I couldn't buy more army because I spent all my money building city hall. Then I would hit "end turn" about 20 times in a row to get enough money to build castle and capital. With all that money I'm getting now, in just a couple more days and I could build a level three dwelling and buy a few of them. Now that I had a few level three units and a couple more shooters, I could go back and kick those imps' butts. But wait, what the heck is going on? I swear it was a pack of imps, but it's lots of imps now! How did that happen? So back to the manual to find out what's bigger, pack or lots. Darn, lots is bigger. I was hoping lots was smaller. So I'd hit end turn 15 more times and build a level four dwelling. Now I'm REALLY going to kick those imps butt! But, WTF! They are a horde now. Hit end turn 20 more times......Now what the heck is going on? I'm not getting any more money! And why does my capital have a blue flag now anyway? I thought mine was red.....
Remember how much fun that was? With WOG, you can do it all again. Just like the old days.
Seriously, if you like playing HOMM the way it is, great! I mean it. But if you ever start getting tired of it, you can try WOG. It has 6 pages of options you can set. Just about everything in the game can be turned on or off. So you can play it almost like the original game, or turn on just 2-3 things, or turn on 50 things. It's completely up to you how to play it.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted April 09, 2006 06:16 AM |
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Yes what I am saying is that I don't really like the idea of changing all of the games options.
The game was made to be played the way that it was meant to be played.
It wasn't made to have all of these modifications made for it, and enhancments to the game to make it more visually enhancing or a little more fun.
Who cares.
I don't, and honestly I really like the game the way it was made to be played, and alot of people may agree with me, but some of these mods are changing the game for the worse and completely changes how the game looks, plays and feels.
I don't want that to happen.
Sure I might get bored with it after a while but so does everyone, it's called life and sure having a mod makes the game more fun, but aren't we missing something here.
It changes the game completely, and it's not really heroes of might and magic anymore.
It is WoG, and it should not take over the game completely. It shouldn't change how the game looks, plays and feels.
It just shouldn't do that.
Now I know what you are saying Binabik, but maybe you like Mods or something, I don't know.
But what I am saying is that, Mods shouldn't change the entire game completely, they should maybe change little aspects of the game, and make it a little more enjoyable.
It shouldn't change how the game is played, and how the game looks.
The game is made with a specific purpose. That is to be played the way that it is meant to be played, and not to be played with any mods or anything that completely changes the look/personality of the game.
I might see what WoG looks like, just to see, but I probably won't keep it as I have heard that it completely changes what the game is, and for me, that just wouldn't seem right, and I don't want to have my favourite game changed and lost forever.
No, I want to play it like it was mean't to be played.
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FriendOfGunnar
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Legendary Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 06:51 AM |
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Everything binabik said. 
Wog will give you at least another 3 months with HOMM and probably closer to 6 to 9. (and of course some people are still going...) Also WOG is a lot more suitable for creating RPG style maps.
BTW I only used about half the options anyway when I had it installed.
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Binabik
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Legendary Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 07:04 AM |
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Like I said, you can play the way you want. Everyone should play the way they want. Otherwise it isn't any fun.
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But what I am saying is that, Mods shouldn't change the entire game completely, they should maybe change little aspects of the game, and make it a little more enjoyable.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. I don't think WOG changes the game completely. It's still the same game. The basics of the game are the same. You still build your town, buy scouts, collect resources, etc.
You say it's OK to change little aspects of the game. That's exactly what WOG does. There are a LOT of little aspects, but you can turn on as many as you want. Some of the graphics change and you can't turn them off, but only a few of them.
Maybe an example would be better. You can change it so the estate skill will give you a few resources each week. If that's the only option you turn on, the game will play exactly like the original, except for that one thing.
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I have heard that it completely changes what the game is
That's only partly true. It CAN change the game a lot, but ONLY because most people play with a lot of the options turned on. If you don't turn them on, it will play like I said above.
Another example of what you can do is check a box that says the dimension door spell is not allowed. Everthing else can be the same as regular HOMM. You can do the same thing with the map editor that came with HOMM. The only difference is that the editor only works for custom maps. The one in WOG will work for random maps. If that's the only thing you have turned on, everything will be the same except you can't get dimension door.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to talk you into something you don't want. I'm just trying to explain how WOG works. People always say it completely changes the game. But they don't usually say it doesn't have to change the game very much. It doesn't have to change at all if you don't want it to.
Like I said, there are a few graphics things that can't be turned off, but only a few. If you've seen screenshots in Vlaads Weekly WOG, I'll point out that he has a lot of options turned on.
This is from his thread
(Vlaad, I hope it's OK to reprint this)
Everything you see in this, that doesn't look like standard HOMM, can be turned off. One of them I've never even seen before, so it must be something I've never turned on.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 11:52 AM |
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Well, I am thinking about installing WoG, though I am a bit afraid that WoG might change something and I won't be able to switch it back. If you install WoG, will it be still possible to play 'Normal' Homm, without even a single addition?
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dr_st
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 09, 2006 12:15 PM |
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Yes. WoG brings new EXE files for the game and the editors, the old ones stay unchanged.
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angelito
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 01:01 PM |
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One big problem i had (have) with WoG is:
You canīt uninstall it !!
You have to delete everything (refering to H3) and install the versions u want new.
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dr_st
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 09, 2006 03:19 PM |
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Quote:
One big problem i had (have) with WoG is:
You canīt uninstall it !!
You have to delete everything (refering to H3) and install the versions u want new.
Well, you can manually wipe out the files, if you want, since I don't think it modifies any of the original game files. But it's a mess, you got that right.
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angelito
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 03:23 PM |
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Not true, sorry.
I did that, but still my game shows many wog features (graphics)
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Nebuka
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Supreme Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 04:30 PM |
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Nice solution for that angelito.
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=16458
I've copy/pasted whole sod folder to different drive, and installed wog there.
Now both work independently.
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supersonic
Famous Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 05:33 PM |
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Is there a way for WoG to work without SoD? I currently don't have SoD (I don't know when I'll have it), but I am a bit interested.
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Vlaad
Admirable
Legendary Hero
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posted April 09, 2006 06:18 PM |
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Is there a way for WoG to work without SoD? I currently don't have SoD (I don't know when I'll have it), but I am a bit interested.
WoG works with Shadow of Death and Heroes Complete.
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pol
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 08:47 AM |
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"One big problem i had (have) with WoG is:
You canīt uninstall it !!"
Please Angelito for next, refer to our FAQ to correct instalation procedure. See. And install into separate copy of your Homm3 
When you first install WoG the game lod files are modified, hence when you only remove what you see as new, these modifications still left.
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Binabik
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Legendary Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 09:33 AM |
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Are the LOD files the only thing shared between the two? Like the pcx files and all the txt files?
I'm talking about when you have two separate installations, but both in the same folder.
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pol
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 09:46 AM |
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The WoG when installed is adding some new files in Heroes3 resource lod files and change little of originals (PCX). Here is, I think, nothing more to share, as standart homm3 don't know how to use additional files
But you know, you may modify your install when you put some of files out of lod files and place them into data folder.... - you will however always see them.
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Binabik
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Legendary Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 09:51 AM |
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Thanks.
Yea I already know about putting the files in the data folder....cranim, rmg, randtvrn, etc.
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pol
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 09:59 AM |
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Especially randtvrn )
Some others have in WoG different format (incompatible with standart h3) - more options, that's only reason why I mentioned them.
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angelito
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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted April 11, 2006 10:24 AM |
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I didnīt had any FAQ list when i installed WoG, coz the only site for downloading WoG which worked that time was a russian site (fieplanet didnīt work, no clue why..). And i hardly speak any word russian.
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pol
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2006 10:45 AM |
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Yes it's bad, wog site is transforming. -- Here is also German mirror. -- And you know now about the FAQ so it's fine, doesn't it?
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