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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Heroes 5 Strategy: Playing Haven Faction
Thread: Heroes 5 Strategy: Playing Haven Faction [ This thread is 24 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 (23) 24 ]
zaio-baio
zaio-baio


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Famous Hero
posted February 26, 2012 01:30 AM

@ fauch, ye, but when u skip footman/squires u save 20 ore. Also 3/4 of shield allies ehp is no joke, its pretty much the same deal as with squires.

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted March 05, 2012 04:03 PM

Wish me luck...

About to go into a TOH duel 1.2 map (still think this one is the best Elvin). Me Haven. Him Orcs. But the deal is this:

He doesn't think I can beat him without using light/dark magic skills...only might skills. So I want to prove him wrong....except it might not be possible!
Level 21
Attack -> Retrib
Leadership -> Div Guid
Defense
Luck
Enlightenment (please! but 2% bah)
 

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted March 05, 2012 08:37 PM

so no magic skills also means no PoS or PoE?  so you'll have to take empathy/DG
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 06, 2012 01:36 AM
Edited by Fauch at 01:42, 06 Mar 2012.

but then you can pick destructive and summoning?
but it's probably not going to help much. maybe master of fire could work, but there is probably much better.

and if you go uber defensive with preparation and expert training and shield your shooters? orcs are forced to attack anyway, and you will strike 1st. (unless he is allowed to use war cries?)

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DoubleDeck
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posted March 06, 2012 05:51 AM

Well the battle happened and I narrowly got beaten, I mean narrowly. PoS and PoE was allowed. He could use war cries. I had:
Level 21
Attack -> Retrib & PoS
Leadership -> Div Guid
Defense -> PoE
Luck

Point was, he said I couldn't beat him, but it was so close and if we do it again, I could beat him.

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted March 06, 2012 11:02 AM

haven hero with no magic except PoS and PoE is nothing new

even without them & using empathy/DG only you still have a chance based on luck and morale
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus

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zaio-baio
zaio-baio


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Famous Hero
posted March 06, 2012 02:07 PM

Nahh, full might Haven may beat orcs, but only if they dont expect it. Like Fireball + master of fire haven vs orcs -> work only if they waste 3 lvls for shatter dark/light

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Zenithale
Zenithale


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Famous Hero
Zen Mind
posted March 06, 2012 03:02 PM

I don't remember what map/version that was, but I already won with Might Haven vs Stronghold who hasn't waste skill points in useless shatter magic.
For exemple: Ellaine lvl 16 vs Gorshack lvl 21
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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted March 06, 2012 04:56 PM

nice "brutal" replay Zenithale

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted March 07, 2012 05:48 AM
Edited by DoubleDeck at 05:48, 07 Mar 2012.

Quote:
haven hero with no magic except PoS and PoE is nothing new

even without them & using empathy/DG only you still have a chance based on luck and morale


Thing is PoS and PoE are from light magic school and I feel that for Haven vs orcs, dark magic is a must. Haven will completely mess up orcs with dark magic....mass confusion, puppet, mass slow...

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted March 07, 2012 06:38 AM

nah dark isn't a must for hav vs orcs;  I once wrote about light v shat light and dark v shat dark here

imo, orcs have a lottery of picking shatter light or shatter dark v haven. Picking wrong one makes them disadvantaged, just less disadvantage if no shat light v light.

anyway only test is in combat
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus

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posted March 07, 2012 01:36 PM

In my opinion the shatter magics are useless....rather let your orcs focus on what they do best: attack, luck, leadership, and the low probability enlightment (if get's offered).....

Only shatter destructive is one I might consider if up against warlock.....

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 07, 2012 02:30 PM

I was surprised to see zenithale cast regeneration. when you said only might skills, I thought no spells at all.

of course the real test is academy vs orcs with only might skills allowed

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DoubleDeck
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posted March 08, 2012 01:12 PM

That would be difficult! Cos Academy won't get offered much might related skills in the build up.....2% chance very little

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted March 08, 2012 01:39 PM

Quote:
I was surprised to see zenithale cast regeneration...
No-one said you couldn't cast any spells with no mastery, sometimes the best choice after casting PoE & PoS.  Adding insult to injury is when morale occurs & regen happens twice for the angels or pallys
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus

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DoubleDeck
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posted March 09, 2012 05:58 AM

Quote:
Quote:
I was surprised to see zenithale cast regeneration...
No-one said you couldn't cast any spells with no mastery, sometimes the best choice after casting PoE & PoS.  Adding insult to injury is when morale occurs & regen happens twice for the angels or pallys

Yeah, and then having empathy trigger too so your hero can cast regen soon again!

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Rgrh
Rgrh

Tavern Dweller
posted March 25, 2013 04:41 PM
Edited by Rgrh at 16:42, 25 Mar 2013.

Good day to you, heroescommunity

Sorry for the necromancy (although I think it should be alright in a thread like this one), but after having had the game lie around for many years (I played maybe one and a half random maps, problem were the long AI turns) while still mostly playing Heroes 3 (and Iím not even good at that, while I can beat up the AI on impossible with most factions except Tower which I never even get built up or Inferno with which I always roll poor or even blocked starts and donít get the demon fun going before itís too late by now after having played on easy and normal for many years because Iím a coward, I still get capitol before Lv 7 dwelling 90% of the time, but whatever) I suddenly felt like finally giving this game some attention and started up the first campaign of the non-addon version since for some reason I canít access the non-ToE campaigns from ToE.
So, I played the first four scenarios, and won them without a sweat (even though I was probably playing horribly, as I have no idea what this gameís good skills and what this gameís Eagle Eye and Learning are... only the third map was annoying and took many in-game months because I didnít know what to do with the almost completely cleared map on which I didnít see one monster and just kept ending turn hoping for a timed event). Then, today morning, I noticed my game version is 1.0, so I patched it to the last patch 1.6, then played the fifth and apparently last scenario ďFall of the kingĒ. It took me a couple hours to complete, but again, no trouble. I give my army to the old guy, try sending him through the southern garrison, and it works, he disappears. Dumb move by me that he had my entire army and Isabel was left with one weakís creatures, but it didnít matter, the king fought that demon guy, lost, died, I got an end of the map screen, pressed on ďcontinueĒ ... and the game crashes. I reload from the convenient cutscene autosave. Crash. Start as administrator? Crash. Give it another try? Crash. ARGH! And, while I appear to have beaten the campaign, the next one is still greyed out.
It took me a while to find out, but apparently patching your game will ruin your campaign saves. Which is odd, because I still was able to play the map. I had even restarted because my savefile from day 1 of the mission for some reason instantly ended the day when loading it. I really am not motivated to play that stupid mission or even the entire campaign all over again, so Iím wondering: Is there another way to complete the campaign? Like opening one of the games files in notepad and changing it to completed or just downloading someone elseís file which was played in ďfullĒ 1.6 and finishing the mission that way?

In short: I patched my game and now it crashes at the end of the campaign, what to do?
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muscip
muscip

Tavern Dweller
posted August 30, 2013 04:46 AM
Edited by muscip at 04:47, 30 Aug 2013.

that build order is completely wrong. if you're playing in higher difficulties, you don't have lots of money and resources, therefore can't build everyday, at some point you'll not have enough resource and not enough money to hire creatures.

the tactic here would be; build cheap buildings first until your town lvl is 15 then build capitol.

in day 1, your hero must be able to capture sawmill and ore pit, at most it must be done in day 2. the first need to be build is peasant farm then peasant cabin to reach town lvl 3 then build town hall. then build whatever building as long as cheap and only requires wood/ore to reach town lvl 9 then build city hall. and of course you must build city hall first before jousting arena and capitol first before altar of light. also, the key here, don't build building that requires resource that you don't produce daily yet, example - don't build monastery if you haven't captured gem mine or crystal cavern or else you will not be able to build altar of light due to lack of gems.

and do not build upgraded dwellings (except for peasant cabin) and magic guild lvl 2 - 5 before you build castle and all non upgraded dwellings!!!
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zaio-baio
zaio-baio


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posted August 30, 2013 07:56 AM
Edited by zaio-baio at 07:57, 30 Aug 2013.

muscip said:
don't build monastery if you haven't captured gem mine or crystal cavern or else you will not be able to build altar of light due to lack of gems.

and do not build upgraded dwellings (except for peasant cabin) and magic guild lvl 2 - 5 before you build castle and all non upgraded dwellings!!!


Very good tips. You should try do this in multiplayer.

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lanteean
lanteean

Tavern Dweller
posted July 10, 2014 03:32 PM

i usually keep the peasants home, since they dont matter into any real battle and train monks from footmen, then upgrade those to inquisitors(sometimes i can afford to train the maximum 20 allowed per week)- the gain in hit points from footmen to inquisitors is quadrupled (60 hp/creature=> 1200 hit points per week, way more than anything any town produces weekly per tier); well, in about 6-7 weeks you ahve more than 100 inquistors that will kill about anything
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