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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: Evolution of the CASTLE
Thread: Evolution of the CASTLE
Qualrath
Qualrath


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Kokonut's zealot
posted April 22, 2006 08:36 PM
Edited by Qualrath on 22 Apr 2006

Poll Question:
Evolution of the CASTLE

Greetings!
For the first, I have to say that the future threads like this will be similar to "The way of..." threads (if moderators will let them live ), but here we will be voting for town's climate, flavor, feelings with playing it... Thanks to Vlaad and Age of Heroes creators.
So, here we go!

Castle, propably the most popular town of Heroes of Might and Magic. It represents goodnes, life and law.

Heroes of Might and Magic I:

Creatures: Peasant, Archer, Pikeman, Swordsman, Cavalry, Paladin. All creatures are unupgrade-able, like all creatures in HoMM I. For details of those creatures, see:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes1/knightcreatures.shtml
Heroes: Ambrose, Arturius, Dimitri, Ector, Lord Haart, Lord Kilburn, Maximus, Sir Gallant, Tyro. To see this heroes list and their portraits, see:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes1/mightheroes.shtml

Heroes of Might and Magic II:

Creatures: Peasant, Archer(upgrade- Ranger), Pikeman(upgrade- Veteran Pikeman), Swordsman(upgrade- Master Swordsman), Cavalry(upgrade- Champion), Paladin(upgrade- Crusader). All creatures are upgrade-able, excluding peasant. For details, see:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes2/knightcreatures.shtml
Heroes: Ambrose, Arturius, Dimitri, Ector, Lord Haart, Lord Kilburn, Maximus, Sir Gallant, Tyro, Ruby, Tyris.

Heroes of Might and Magic III:

Creatures(unupgraded - upgraded):
Pikeman - Halberdier
Archer - Marksman
Griffin - Royal Griffin
Swordsman - Crusader
Monk - Zealot
Cavalier - Champion
Angel - Archangel (+WoG: Supreme Archangel)
Details of Castle creatures:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes3/creaturescastle.shtml
Heroes:
-Might: Edric, Lord Haart, Orrin, Christian, Sorsha, Sylvia, Tyris, Valeska.
-Magic: Adela, Adelaide, Caitlin, Cuthbert, Ingham, Loynis, Rion, Sanya. Details of Castle heroes:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes3/heroescastle.shtml

Heroes of Might and Magic IV:

Creatures: Crossbowman, Squire, Ballista, Pikeman, Crusader, Monk, Champion, Angel. More info of creatures:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes4/creatures_life.shtml
Heroes:
-Might: Archimemnon, Christian, Dallas, Dart, Laine, Marcius, Mardigo, Mullich, Nathaniel, Orrin, Oyssin, Rex Mundi, Valoryn, Zambu, Araja, Equila, Frini, Gail, Julia, Mierna, Olwa, Sigrid, Sorsha, Tamara, Thera, Tyris, Verdish(weren't she supposed to be a Witch from Fortress? ). More info of Knights:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes4/heroes_knights.shtml
-Magic: Bakrus, Bloomberg, Ingham, Jerwall, Karth, Lemmar, Michael, Nevon, Pirvian, Proetho, Rion, Virgil, Adelaide, Caitlin, Corita, Dorine, Isabeau, Kathleen, Leslee, Maureen, Mirlanda(Witch!), Nanette, Sanya, Valia, Winifred.
More info of Priests: http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes4/heroes_priests.shtml

Heroes of Might and Magic V:

Creatures(unupgraded - upgraded):
Peasant - Militiaman
Archer - Marksman
Footman - Swordsman
Griffin - Royal Griffin
Priest - Cleric
Cavalier - Paladin
Angel - Archangel
More details of Haven creatures:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/haven_creatures.shtml
Heroes(demo): Dougal, Ellaine, Freyda, Godric, Irina, Isabel, Klaus, Laszlo, Rutger, Vittorio.

Images of Heroes I, IV and V from Age of Heroes

So, post your reflections and moods here, and... (fanfares) VOTE! Which do You think is best?


Responses:
Heroes I
Heroes II
Heroes III
Heroes IV
Heroes V
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TNT_Addict
TNT_Addict


Honorable
Supreme Hero
Beautiful Liar
posted April 22, 2006 08:46 PM
Edited by TNT_Addict on 22 Apr 2006

Quote:
Which do You think is best?


Best in what? You really can't judge which is the best of them, you got to have some categories like:

The inner look of  town - HOMM 2

The outer look of a town - HOMM 3

The towns name (Knight, castle, life...) - HOMM 3

The statistics of the units - HOMM 3

The look of the units - HOMM 5

The look of the heroes - HOMM 5

The statistics of the heroes - HOMM 3

Nice doing though, this is an improvement from your last posts like in the "k" thread and the "blank post game", nice .



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Meph
Meph


Adventuring Hero
Rampaging Rampart
posted April 22, 2006 08:59 PM

I like the look of the HOMM 1 Castle, but the Mage Guild kinda ruined it. So I have to go with the HOMM 2 look, followed by the HOMM 5 one. HOMM 2 looks like an old city really, which is a thing I like.

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Qualrath
Qualrath


Adventuring Hero
Kokonut's zealot
posted April 22, 2006 09:22 PM

@TNT: In fact, we vote for the version of the city that we like the best, not only from graphics side. We vote playability, feelings itc. But we also votew for graphics.
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Lord_Crusader
Lord_Crusader


Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
posted April 22, 2006 09:45 PM

I vote heroes 2... just for one reason... the crusader
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Wiseman
Wiseman


Known Hero
posted April 23, 2006 07:45 AM

For some reason I am attracted to the HOMM4 look of the Castle (Haven that is). It`s probaby the colours or smth...
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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted April 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Edited by Vlaad on 23 Apr 2006

I liked the H1 rendition because of the creatures! The town looked lively unlike all others, which seem abandoned in a great hurry. Why the developers never include inhabitants is beyond me. Imagine Dwarves mining ore, Champions practicing, Angels flying in the sky... Just remember the Dragon Cliffs from Rampart.

The H1 version was painted in a weird perspective too; I like the way the street is going down from the viewer, then branching off to the left and vanishing in the woods, while the other road is leading downtown, to the castle in the distance. The colors were off base, though.

The H2 Castle was empty, while the H4 one seemed like a scattering of odd buildings lying around, although I agree the colors and textures felt right.

The H5 town ought to look most impressive as it's 3D, especially with that skyline. Nevertheless, the citadel seems way out of proportions, like a Titan dwelling or something

Roster wise, I couldn't care less - the human faction has always been of no interest for me. The current alignment might even be the most intriguing one due to its darker overtones.

So, it would be H1 for me.
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Lord_Pc
Lord_Pc


Promising
Famous Hero
Groin-Grabingly Clever
posted April 23, 2006 04:01 PM

H1 and 2 dont look enough like a city cause of a lack of housing, apart from that though they look good. H5 has alot of housing but i really really do no like every building, or almost every building, is built as an adition to the castle. its very annoying not a real sense of a castle. H4, i dont like those 2 cliff, hilly things, does look like the right place to put a town, and why is the castle at the top?

i really like the H3 one. its got housing but not too much to interfere with other things. the layout is good, portal in the air, market place in the middle of the housing and castle across river. also looks good

H3 for me
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ComradeX
ComradeX


Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
posted April 24, 2006 03:02 PM

Well, if talking of looks, HOMM V takes the medal here. I have played it in the beta version and it's prety good (I am sure it's even better in the final version). Althouhg I am a Wizard - Tower - Academy fan, I also like the Human faction. It's the classic representative of good, that fights for the sake of the world... (and for the land, gold and resources that come with that. If talking playability, it has always been fun to play as Knight, but HOMM III (like in many other cases) is still the best, most fun, with mighty angels, fast Griffins and great mid level Crusaders. And most important, no peasants! (having such a lousy creature sucks!).
So that's the way I see it.
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Zeldor
Zeldor


Known Hero
The Bringer of Pestilence
posted April 27, 2006 09:10 PM

I voted for H5, I always preferred Tower, but Haven is not really nice, especially when you have hordes of archers made with Training

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Gothic
Gothic

Tavern Dweller
posted April 28, 2006 08:09 PM

the castle will always have what it takes to make me despise its creatures, the weaklings.I think the homm 3 castle is the best, but  still, it is puny enough for me to hold them within my graso, ready to crush them...          




i deeply apologise for the ones that like the castle, and ask them to excuse my harsh words.            



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TitaniumAlloy
TitaniumAlloy


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Legendary Hero
Professional
posted May 01, 2006 03:55 PM

Ah the castle has always made sense.

If you'd read my "H3 explained" thread you'd know that I like towns which.. 'make sense'.

In all of them they have basically the same idea with the same type of units, and well the only thing really is the graphics...
H2 does look nice though.
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Muerte
Muerte


Adventuring Hero
posted May 08, 2006 07:15 PM
Edited by Muerte at 19:18, 08 May 2006.

I voted for HOMM 4.

I like the look and feel of the town and castle fitting well into the countryside. The achitecture and colors are well balanced, and it has a good artistic feel that most resembles the appearance of a good painting.

HOMM 4 also has its buildings well spread out and easily recognizable, identifiable and accessable and doesn't look like it was all crammed together as an after thought to the rest of the game.




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jlewlotr
jlewlotr


Hired Hero
posted May 08, 2006 09:36 PM

In terms of looks, I think the Heroes 5 town is really awesome and unique compared to the previous versions.  I thought it would be frustrating trying to click on the dwellings since they are all crammed together on the castle, but Ubi solved that problem by just having one button.  In terms of creatures, I kinda wish Heroes 5 had left out peasants and kept pikemen like in 3.  So I guess my vote for creatures alone would go to 3.  I still voted for H5 overall though.

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Ellderon
Ellderon


Adventuring Hero
Lightbringer
posted May 10, 2006 12:57 PM

The fist thing I'm gonan do when I get Heroes V is that I'm going to kick the Griffins out of the castle, move all units behind it one lvl down (except for the angel) and adjust their stats accordingly.
Then I'm going ot re-name the Paladin to Champion and use Nicolai's model, tweak it heavily and make a REAL crusaider and paladin as a lvl6 unit...


Other than that, the castle is fine by me as it is...
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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted May 12, 2006 01:56 AM

To reestablish the highlevel paladin is an interesting thought really ... the griffin is now quite established with the knights, returning as the knights symbol since Heroes 3, but I actually don't think it particularly belongs there (it would be better off in a dwarven mountain town for instance) - but that may be as it is. What reeeeeealy bugs me is this stupid peasant. I simply *can't* understand why they have to make these useless units (also, the zombie is one of them!). And then omit the pikeman, which was always an excellent and perfectly logical choice for unit (archer, pikeman, swordsman and cavalier - it just makes good sense to have them all in the human town!).

About the looks ... I think the HV castle looks a bit dull ... I might actually prefer the H3 one. Loved the Portal Of Glory!!! The HIV one is plain awful (booooring) and the other ones are ... well, garish.
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sick_46_boy
sick_46_boy


Known Hero
*Lord of the bones*
posted May 12, 2006 06:45 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Which do You think is best?


This is my opinion,butt I still did not see a h5 so I judge only what I seen.

The inner look of  town - HOMM 3

The outer look of a town - HOMM 5

The statistics of the units - HOMM 3

The look of the heroes - HOMM 3

The statistics of the heroes - HOMM 3




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luciferius
luciferius

Tavern Dweller
posted May 12, 2006 08:29 PM

h5 because the creatures feel right
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ZeroXcuses
ZeroXcuses


Known Hero
posted June 29, 2006 04:28 AM

I say heroes V because the ambiance (dwellings, creatures, music, etc) is very majestic and "castle" like.

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VenomDragon
VenomDragon


Hired Hero
Protector of woods and power!
posted July 02, 2006 01:16 AM

For the placing of building i think best are HOMM 3, but great impresion on is left by HOMM 5. (i am playing HOMM 5 Full Version)So its hard for me to say it but 2nd. place goes to HOMM 5.
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