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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Avenger: Is it worth it?
Thread: Avenger: Is it worth it? This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT»
BigBadVoodoo
BigBadVoodoo


A poster
posted June 15, 2006 11:09 PM

Imbue arrow... enough said

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Iris
Iris


Responsible
Supreme Hero
of Typos
posted June 15, 2006 11:17 PM

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It means 3x the damage your hero would normally do (I think ). So if your hero normally deals 200 damage it would be 600... however it doesn't work like in the description, a deadeye shot on a non-favored enemy acts just like a normal shot in terms of damage with the difference that the deadeye shot can be imbued.

Rain of Arrows also has a wrong description, it doesn't deal the 3x damage the description says it does, it deals normal damage to all favored enemies + eventually imbued spells.


Ah, that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks for the clarification.  

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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted July 04, 2006 09:45 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 09:51, 04 Jul 2006.

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It means 3x the damage your hero would normally do (I think ). So if your hero normally deals 200 damage it would be 600... however it doesn't work like in the description, a deadeye shot on a non-favored enemy acts just like a normal shot in terms of damage with the difference that the deadeye shot can be imbued.

Rain of Arrows also has a wrong description, it doesn't deal the 3x damage the description says it does, it deals normal damage to all favored enemies + eventually imbued spells.


Ah, that makes a lot more sense.  Thanks for the clarification.  
Actually, it's all wrong.

Not only do Rangers’ troops have a 40-60% chance to deal double damage to the favored enemies, but also the heroes themselves inflict increased damage.

The damage dealt by heroes depends on their level and the level of the targeted creatures. In addition, the damage can be increased by the Ranger’s racial skills.

According to the description, the Ranger deals 3 times his or her level damage to his favored enemies (Rain of Arrows or a single shot), which is somewhat misleading. Needless to say, a level 15 hero does not deal 3x15=45 damage, but he does NOT inflict 3 times his current damage either. Actually, he gains 3 virtual levels when attacking his favored enemies, i.e. as if he was level 18.

Here's a sample chart for a level 15 Ranger attacking another Sylvan army:



Imbue Arrow does not deal additional damage aside from the spell damage itself.

Deadeye Shot grants double damage to the damage done to favored enemies but targets a single stack (In our example, the ranger would kill 38x2=15 Pixies or Sprites, IF he had both Deadeye Shot AND this creature was on his favored enemy list).

Deadeye Shot always kills at least one creature, regardless of its health, so it's best used against level 7 creatures.

(For comparison, the same hero deals 32 damage with Fist of Wrath or 56 with Fireball and Spellpower 3)

Nevertheless, don’t forget that the spells drain your mana. If you are trying to shoot your three favored enemies but have enough spell points only for two spells, the third one is simply not cast. Imbue Ballista drains the mana as well.

It is important to note that Imbue Arrow only works with Deadeye Shot, Rain of Arrows, and Imbue Ballista. Otherwise, the spell is not cast when you attack. Strangely, you can obtain Imbue Arrow before its requirements.

Finally, keep in mind Rain of Arrows hits only your favored enemies (not other creatures) – but it hits them all. In other words, the Ranger can shoot from 1 to 7 arrows at the opponent’s army.

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Klaital
Klaital


Known Hero
posted July 04, 2006 02:37 PM

You can also get imbue ballista before imbue arrow, although it is totally useless until you do get imbue arrow.

I personally find it really weird that heroes do more damage to higher level units.
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Shauku83
Shauku83


Promising
Famous Hero
posted July 04, 2006 03:19 PM

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Deadeye Shot always kills at least one creature, regardless of its health, so it's best used against level 7 creatures.


But the creature must be in the Rangers favourite enemy list to kill atleast one creature.

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juventas
juventas


Adventuring Hero
posted July 04, 2006 05:07 PM

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Finally, keep in mind Rain of Arrows hits only your favored enemies (not other creatures) – but it hits them all. In other words, the Ranger can shoot from 1 to 7 arrows at the opponent’s army.


Is there a way to get 7 favored enemies?
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Klaital
Klaital


Known Hero
posted July 04, 2006 05:09 PM

No 4 is maximum, and that is if you get ultimate avenger skill.
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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted July 04, 2006 05:17 PM

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Is there a way to get 7 favored enemies?
No, but your favored enemies might be split in 7 stacks.

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Iris
Iris


Responsible
Supreme Hero
of Typos
posted July 04, 2006 05:42 PM
Edited by Iris at 17:43, 04 Jul 2006.

You deserve a +QP for that, Vlaad.  


Let me just see I understand this correctly.  Deadeye shot will increase the damage done, regardless of if the creature is on your favorite list, but will do double damage if the creature is on your favorite enemy list.

And Rain of Arrows hits all favorite enemies, but has no additional bonuses.

Is this correct?
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juventas
juventas


Adventuring Hero
posted July 04, 2006 06:44 PM

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Is there a way to get 7 favored enemies?
No, but your favored enemies might be split in 7 stacks.


Interesting that you would say that, considering the avatar of the person who posted before you.
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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted July 04, 2006 06:51 PM

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You deserve a +QP for that, Vlaad.  

Let me just see I understand this correctly.  Deadeye shot will increase the damage done, regardless of if the creature is on your favorite list, but will do double damage if the creature is on your favorite enemy list.

And Rain of Arrows hits all favorite enemies, but has no additional bonuses.

Is this correct?
Both Deadeye Shot and rain of Arrows grant 3 virtual levels more, while Deadeye Shot deals even twice as much damage IF the target is your favorite enemy.

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Xetal
Xetal

Tavern Dweller
posted July 05, 2006 07:01 AM

"And Rain of Arrows hits all favorite enemies, but has no additional bonuses."

Think of it this way, you're enemy is inferno, you're using Wyngaal (I have a thing for his special, I love it), so you get to act first.  Your hunters/druids bump off the familiars so you don't get mana drained.  Your favored enemies are Cerberus, Succubus Mistress, Nightmare, and Pit Lord.

Turn 1: Imbue with largest direct damage spell you have.
Turn 2: Rain of arrows.

4 hits, each at level+3, each with a 40% (or higher, depending on abilities/buildings) chance to deal double damage, and each of which automatically casts whatever damage spell you loaded into imbue.

If you're sitting at town choosing which creatures to load into avenger and know who you're going to be fighting ahead of time... it can really wreck people.  It'll drain your mana really, really fast, but realize that all that mana is being converted into damage really, really fast.  It doesn't matter that you're out of mana once you've wrecked the strongest units in the main army of your enemy.
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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted July 05, 2006 08:05 AM

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Turn 1: Imbue with largest direct damage spell you have.
Rangers usually have low Spellpower, so think of other options as well. With Destructive Magic and Master of Fire your Fireball reduces the target's defense -50%, which makes up for the Ranger's low Attack. With Master of Storms or Master of Ice some of your spells have stunning or freezing effects.
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4 hits, each at level+3, each with a 40% (or higher, depending on abilities/buildings) chance to deal double damage
Rain of Arrows cannot deal double damage.

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Plexus22
Plexus22


Known Hero
posted July 06, 2006 07:56 PM

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Turn 1: Imbue with largest direct damage spell you have.
Rangers usually have low Spellpower, so think of other options as well. With Destructive Magic and Master of Fire your Fireball reduces the target's defense -50%, which makes up for the Ranger's low Attack. With Master of Storms or Master of Ice some of your spells have stunning or freezing effects.
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4 hits, each at level+3, each with a 40% (or higher, depending on abilities/buildings) chance to deal double damage
Rain of Arrows cannot deal double damage.

Doesn't the 40% chance to deal double damage come from the fact that the targets are favoured enemies?

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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted July 06, 2006 08:26 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 20:26, 06 Jul 2006.

No, it's the creatures that have a 40-60% chance to inflict 100% more damage to favored enemies - not heroes.
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SuperDave9x19
SuperDave9x19


Adventuring Hero
posted July 10, 2006 05:30 PM

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Deadeye Shot always kills at least one creature, regardless of its health, so it's best used against level 7 creatures.


But the creature must be in the Rangers favourite enemy list to kill atleast one creature.


I thought that at first but My Ranger with deadeye shot always killed 1 unit of higher level monsters when he was weak.

Granted, it could easily have been that way via the amount of damage he offerred but it was always kills:1  as opposed to kills:0-1 or kills 1=3 in the popup.

and on the topic...  I always pick favorred enemy from high level of the faction that's giving me the most grief is all.  Never thought it out too much.

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DragonLord3000
DragonLord3000


Known Hero
Romanian flamethrower
posted September 06, 2006 04:16 PM

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IT will probably spoil multiplayers, as multiplayer means mostly 1:1 wars. And then Sylvan will be able to do double damage to half of your army...


That is true indeed!

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sylvian_prince
sylvian_prince


Hired Hero
the ranged hanter
posted September 08, 2006 10:41 AM

hte avenger is nice and good i worth to be taken as skill but...... it is not one of the best... e.g if the necromanser hase a 2-3 towns its meens that the avenger couldnt help you! if you have an army of month the necro have 2-3 month army so whats better?! and if the castle have money and the get 10 paladins a week (from training of course) the avenger worhless! after all who wins? 50 paladins or 15 treant with avenger??? lol !!! i think you get my point and the academy have those artifacts made...that is too, better than the avenger. i conclusion the avenger is good but very weak if we looking on others towns abilities... (and i am sylvian lover....)

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Demortae
Demortae


Adventuring Hero
posted September 08, 2006 02:41 PM
Edited by Demortae at 14:57, 08 Sep 2006.

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hte avenger is nice and good i worth to be taken as skill but...... it is not one of the best... e.g if the necromanser hase a 2-3 towns its meens that the avenger couldnt help you! if you have an army of month the necro have 2-3 month army so whats better?! and if the castle have money and the get 10 paladins a week (from training of course) the avenger worhless! after all who wins? 50 paladins or 15 treant with avenger??? lol !!! i think you get my point and the academy have those artifacts made...that is too, better than the avenger. i conclusion the avenger is good but very weak if we looking on others towns abilities... (and i am sylvian lover....)


Hate to tell you this, but 15 treants can beat 50 pallies in the right circumstances, or at least bind them long enough for the rest of the battle to resolve without them (15 is a mite to few to kill them all)  I've actually had 30 trees beat 90 neutral archangels (and whatever was ressed total).  With a high defense(ranger's primary), endurance (from druids), stand your ground, and take roots, it is quite possible to get treants defense well above 100.  I prefer summoning magic when playing sylvan, so if my luck is bad, i might throw in an arcane armour as well (i would, of course, prefer a pheonix), not to mention, the potential to raise dead.
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zatoichi
zatoichi


Adventuring Hero
posted September 26, 2006 09:27 PM


William asked:
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Well I was wondering if you think if Avenger if worth it?


Lord_Pc replied:
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yes, yes I do. . .


to which William replied :
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Could you guys make some reasons why you think it was worth it.
Not just saying yes it is, or I agree entirely.
Could you give some reasons why you think it is worth it please.
Thanks.


Finally Lord_Pc resolved any uncertainty:
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your versing haven

its week of the paladins, or caviliers

opponent resigns



Who is this Lord_Pc?
Is he a funny guy, or this was a lucky punch?
Was he molested as a child by Paladins or he learned to hate them later?

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