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kookastar
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posted July 10, 2006 10:29 AM bonus applied.
Edited by kookastar at 10:50, 10 Jul 2006.

Swimsuit vs Underwear

Male underwear

Male togs
Female underwear
Female togs
Wonder Woman

OK.  I felt the need to talk about this issue but didn’t want to spam up the RL Photo thread…

I really want your opinions on this matter, to make it easier here are 5 questions to answer  Please give your thoughts you don’t have to answer them all…

1. Are photos of underwear more degrading than swimsuits?  Men and women – explain please.

2. Is it degrading to the female species {} to post pictures of any of these?  How does this affect woman’s liberation?  How does this affect the image of men?

3. Are pictures of real people in their underwear or swimsuits any ‘worse’ than the images in The Sexiest Woman thread?

4. Would you post pics of yourself in any of the above outfits?  Why/why not.

5. Wonder Woman:  What is this outfit?  Swimsuit/underwear/other.  Comments?


@ Iris and LG {and you too Tix}.  I am not trying to start a flame-up here or to belittle any of your opinions.  Your thoughts just got me thinking about this whole thing.

Here are some thoughts from the RL photo thread:

LG
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 Why on earth would [someone] do something as stupid as posting a picture of [themselves] in [their] underwear? Not only does it lower [them] to being more of an object than a person…  
If you think yourself as a worthwhile person, why would you turn yourself into merely something for guys to jack-off at?
Women's Lib has been trying for decades to make the world see that women are more than brainless sex objects, and you are undoing everything women have worked for for the last hundred years…
Sure, I could take off my clothes and wow all the guys, but does anyone relly want to sink that low? I'm better than that.


Iris
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To each his own
Personally, I think that underwear is not meant for strangers to see, whereas a bathing suit is. (Think about it.) Sometimes a bikini is more revealing than underwear, but it's the concept behind the matter. Certain lines shouldn't be crossed, but different people draw these lines at different places. For example, I would never let a stranger see my underwear. LG would not even let a stranger see her picture. In the end, it's all summarized by this: To each his own.
I just wanted to get that out there. Don't give her a hard time, people


I will post my own opinions after I have {hopefully} heard from any of you – guys don’t be afraid to post  

I do want to mention though that woman fought for us yes.  They fought long and hard to give us the same freedoms men enjoy – to be able to vote, equal pay, being able to go to the pub, etc.  They also fought so that we would have the freedom to do what we wanted without being labelled by others in a negative way for it.  I noticed there were no bad comments made about TNT/ males posting in his/their “underwear”

Also – underwear that looks like clothes barely rates as underwear IMO.  Maybe it is an Aussie thing, but people walk around like this all the time in summer


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Dragon_Slayer
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posted July 10, 2006 10:36 AM

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Maybe it is an Aussie thing, but people walk around like this all the time in summer


Yea, i was walking around in my underwear all morning, and when i pants were on, there was no shirt lol
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posted July 10, 2006 04:09 PM

El Natural!

People were born naked and so shalt they walk around!

No undies, no panties, no bikinis... Forget about that stuff and lets all go naked! The we will all be equal and LG won't have to write such rediculous posts anymore

@Kookie, nice way of attracting DS to the thread with the male underwear models
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posted July 10, 2006 05:06 PM

Well this seems an interesting topic...

Firstly, I was quite a bit suprised that tixy actualy posted such a picture. But actualy it is her own thing. It is not that she was pressured to do it. Eventhoug TNT, asked for a bikini pic, still she posted it freely and under any personal risk. And since it doesn't bother her, evidently, there is not much wrong with that. It's her own thing and if she wants to be view in a certain manner it doesn't bother me.

But still LG brought up a certain point, that was well placed, but maybe wasn't presented in the best way. Which is that still women are viewed many times, still, as sexual objects. You still have it all around you, from billboards to commercials, in magazines, modeling, even some games. And I didn't even mention the porn industry... even in "liberal" society we still do not have an equality of the genders, but progress has been made in many ways and on many fronts. But still the female body and sex in general is manytimes marketed and sold. Sex is a thing of everyones own, of one person, two people maybe even more, it's everyones thing with what they are most confrotable with or what they like. But it never should be sold, marketed or used to endorse anything...

Therefore I would consider the "Worlds Sexiest Women" thread, far more sexist and therefore worse, then when Tixy post a picture of herself that she is comfortable with everyone seeing.

Now as to the Wonder Woman suit... well, ehm, it certainly is revealing. Now there is not much wrong when someone dresses in a certain manner when they want to, but when such a standart is presented in TV, cartoon ect. it sets, or tries, to set a certain standart and projects women in , I belive, a dissrispectfull manner...


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posted July 10, 2006 06:38 PM
Edited by russ at 18:49, 10 Jul 2006.

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Now there is not much wrong when someone dresses in a certain manner when they want to, but when such a standart is presented in TV, cartoon ect. it sets, or tries, to set a certain standart and projects women in , I belive, a dissrispectfull manner...
You are absolutely right! All women must wear burkas! It is simply outrageous for women to show any part of her body other than her eyes. I am 100% with you on this subject. Any kind of clothes or actions that display female sexuality should be banned. And every woman that does not abide should be burned at the stake immediately!!!

Anyways,
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1. Are photos of underwear more degrading than swimsuits?  Men and women – explain please.

2. Is it degrading to the female species {} to post pictures of any of these?  How does this affect woman’s liberation?  How does this affect the image of men?

3. Are pictures of real people in their underwear or swimsuits any ‘worse’ than the images in The Sexiest Woman thread?

4. Would you post pics of yourself in any of the above outfits?  Why/why not.

5. Wonder Woman:  What is this outfit?  Swimsuit/underwear/other.  Comments?

1. I don't find any of those photos degrading, however, IMHO if a man looks like an ape, he may want to consider wearing a shirt. Also, if a woman weights waay over 90 kg or is too old for a certain kind of clothing, she may want to consider covering her up more. Ok, and obviously, a man in a "wonder suit" would look disgusting IMHO. Men should always wear some underwear.

2. I don't see how it is degrading in any way. It shows that you are comfortable with yourself and that you are not afraid of the people.

3. I don't consider any of them bad. Women in this thread and in the pictures thread are beautiful and how can beauty possibly hurt anyone?

4. Yes, I would, but only after you do it, kookie

5. I absolutely love that outfit But as I've said above, men SHOULD NOT wear those outfits.

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SirDunco
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posted July 10, 2006 06:51 PM

I have a feeling that you skipped something, or didn't understand it... I said that sexuality should not be marketed in any way and a certian standart of looks, dress, ect. should not be endorsed as the "right one" ore the "way you should look" ... and using a womens sexuality to endorse a product is low...very low..

But I said nothing about Burka'sm and people not expressing and showing their sexuality. It's up to everyone to express them self, their sexuality, to dress in a certain way, post pictures ect. it's their personal freedom.

Russ, you have a wonderfull gift of finding words and oppinions where they aren't. Please teach me, master....  
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posted July 10, 2006 07:11 PM

It is called "exaggeration". Look up that word in a dictionary. It was obvious to everyone that you were not talking about burkas, but to me it seemed like this was the direction of your post. (Just in case you are confused by the word "direction" as well, allow me to give an example: Taking one step forward sets a direction, however it is not the same as walking 10000km forward.)

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posted July 10, 2006 07:24 PM
Edited by LegendMaker at 19:27, 10 Jul 2006.

Peace Sells.... But Who's Buying ?

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You are absolutely right! All women must wear burkas! It is simply outrageous for women to show any part of her body other than her eyes. I am 100% with you on this subject. Any kind of clothes or actions that display female sexuality should be banned. And every woman that does not abide should be burned at the stake immediately!!!
I love you, dude !

What stake ? You obviously aren't very familiar with modern techniques, foo : In some modern ghettos in my country extraordinaire, they actually do it with some oil and a mere lighter ! DUH !

My opinion can be read there.

@Dunco : Don't take it personnally, please. Afaiac, its all for the mere beauty of the joke !
(ah ! freedom of speech...) !

PS : The title of this post is of course a Dave "MEGADETH" Mustaine quote !
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posted July 10, 2006 07:26 PM

I know both the words exegeration and direction.. but I'm sorry still you must not have read the whole post or understood it, because I would never even hint such a thing
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posted July 10, 2006 08:01 PM
Edited by russ at 20:45, 10 Jul 2006.

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I know both the words exegeration and direction.. but I'm sorry still you must not have read the whole post or understood it, because I would never even hint such a thing
haha! "not even a hint"! What can I say... if this is how you view your post and your point of view towards sexuality, then my exaggerated post is even more valid.

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posted July 10, 2006 08:03 PM

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I noticed there were no bad comments made about TNT

Are you calling me a snow? Do you think that my sexuality is for sale!?

By the way one bad comment was made hehehe, LegendMaker said I was not hairy enough for his liking

The worlds sexiest woman thread was made to be sexist from the start, I made it so that we (guys) would share some ideas about what makes a woman sexy. The war between honkhonks and bummbumms was the threads peak, we all respect women and ofcourse are very fond of them (with the exception of you know the drill...), why do all of our compliments to these beautiful women seem sexist only to other women and SirDunco  
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posted July 10, 2006 08:58 PM

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haha! "not even a hint"! What can I say... if this is how you view your post and your point of view towards sexuality, then my exaggerated post is even more valid.


Russ I'm sorry but you did not understand the post at all, but whatever...
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posted July 10, 2006 09:01 PM

SirDunco man with all the respect can't you see that Russ is playing with you, we all get what you are saying but he was trying to be funny as usual and pushing someones buttons is always funny man!

Don't be a William, don't take all the replies too seriously, especialy in the wastelands

BTW why is it in the wastelands?
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posted July 10, 2006 09:09 PM

Hmm, I think it depends on how comfortable the woman is with her body in general. Its not degrading in any way, Its not as if there are rappers pouring vodka all over her as she dances like a snow. If you have a body and you want to flaunt it, by all means go ahead, if you don't thats fine as well, just don't rip on other people who do.
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posted July 10, 2006 09:17 PM

1. Are photos of underwear more degrading than swimsuits? Men and women – explain please.

What does degrading mean exactly?  Actually I dig chicks in skirts more than swim pics.  When I see a chick in a skirt my mind just automatically imagines her bending over.  Is that degrading?  I guess that’s only if she doesn’t approve of my mind imagining her bending over.

2. Is it degrading to the female species to post pictures of any of these? How does this affect woman’s liberation? How does this affect the image of men?

When is this due by?  And how much does spelling count for?




3. Are pictures of real people in their underwear or swimsuits any ‘worse’ than the images in The Sexiest Woman thread?

The women in The Sexiest Woman thread were so overrated.


4. Would you post pics of yourself in any of the above outfits? Why/why not.

I’d post pics of me in my boxers if someone wanted but no bikinis because that would mean certifiably that I am fudgepacker.


5. Wonder Woman: What is this outfit?

camp humor

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posted July 10, 2006 09:17 PM

Actualy I myself was wondering why this is in the wastelands, cause I think Kooka ment it atleast a bit seriously...
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kookastar
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posted July 10, 2006 09:19 PM

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I noticed there were no bad comments made about TNT

Are you calling me a snow? Do you think that my sexuality is for sale!?


heehee [obviously not]

I personally find it interesting that boxers can be considered as underwear in pictures though - I mean it is the same as shorts - same revealingness  I would have pushed you for a more revealing pic lol, but I can't post mine so should shut up about it

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The worlds sexiest woman thread was made to be sexist from the start, I made it so that we (guys) would share some ideas about what makes a woman sexy.  

Yeah, thass fine  I guess I was kind of interested because LG was bashing - yes she was bashing- tix for the picture of her being degrading to woman but didn't seem to go on too much about that thread.  I still think what Tixie is wearing in her picture is more like clothes than underwear btw.

This is in the wastelands because it is funnier if you guys can spam the crap out of it  Also people can say what they want here pretty much.


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posted July 10, 2006 09:24 PM

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I’d post pics of me in my boxers if someone wanted


We want foggy If you could get those nipples in there again too that would be much appreciated

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posted July 10, 2006 09:29 PM

Women should wear what they feel comfortable with.
Degrading is a state of mind so it depends on whos side your on.
Coming from another background & sensetivity I can see where Guinivere s coming from.
Still make your point & then move on, theres no need to get angry.

Personally I think anyone should post thier underwear shot & I am sure most peoples BF would not want thier GF to post thier underwear pic in public.
It should stay in a private pic collection for certain people to see.
To each thier own though because swimsuits you can go out in public & still expose just enough to show all, but just enough where you just HAVE to look & you dont see it all .

Theres alot of perverts in here that would love to see more underwear pics I bet.
I also bet that they wouldnt want thoer GF to post underwear pics on here for perves & other DUDES to see.
Yea I bet they would say "Oh heck yea I will post thier pics"
I think thats far from the truth because men get jealous & they get jealous when we see out GF talking to another guy because it makes us think.
Especially if the guy is alot better looking or more thier type like certain colors in your apearance etc.
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posted July 10, 2006 09:34 PM

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We want foggy


will do

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