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Aculias
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posted September 04, 2006 08:45 PM bonus applied.

Survival of mexicans

COnsis asked me awhile back to make a thread about this,
After reading what THE CRUSADER wrote.
I felt we should discuss it in here.
I think there are mixed feelings from both races but I would like to have Crusader post first.
I think a more understanding is in use here.
I had some words in different threads & Crusader is in disagreement.

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posted September 05, 2006 12:46 AM bonus applied.
Edited by Lord_Crusader at 00:52, 05 Sep 2006.

Well I don't how to start... but I really feel a little upset about some comments... I'm a proud mexican guy... I live here and I love my country... and my people (the aliens) ... and I hate how the world have generally a bad idea of what my country and my race is... and this is almost because the perception that the USA citizens give to the rest of the world...

the migration problem certainly is not fault of the north american people, the root of this problem is here en Mexico... but the great part of the mexican people how works in the USA the only thing they want is a better future for their family...

The common profile of the people who leaves mexico and go to the USA is this:

Fathers
- who lives in the most marginated zone of Mexico
- who have not even  a basic education
- who the only reason to leave his country is the poverty in which her family lives they don't want to live there... they need it

Sons
- who follows the steps of his father that still works in the USA after a lot of year of don't see him... and in some cases don't know him.

Generally they have jobs that nobody wants...

The problem is when the mexican kids that born in the USA grows in a hostile atmosphere, I mean they see how his fathers works hard and get discriminated, they see how his relatives are killer for the minute man patrol, they see how so many good people suffer because they are not "north american", then they decided to enter to the war of races... in much cases the only way out is steal, because they can't get a job when they don't get discrimated or despised

I'm not defending all the bad things that the mexicans do in the USA... I just saying that this behavior is just fault of the descrimination and racial attacks...

I just don't understand how the USA can have this kind of racial problems... almost all the north american people have an illegal inmigrant relative or friend... not only mexican... asian, african, arabian or european...


Well is hard for me write long posts in english so apologizes for the misspelled words
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posted September 05, 2006 07:24 AM

Bush is inviting the Mexicans to work illegally & now they can leagally for a short term time.
Which means we all lose work because of them & they will do whatever it takes to support themselves.
Even if it means screwing other peoples lives in the progress.
What they usually do is work in #'s & for cheap so they can have a good prfit & then go back to mexico with alot of money.
You see It is very cheap to live out there.
1 dollar can buy you alot & making over 1000 in a week is like 10000 out here where we live.
They hate the white people as they call us.
They hate Bush which I cant blame them.
They loved the 9/11 results.
Not all but alot.
Theres alot of hate from history many yrs ago.
They want to try to take California back.

I wrote that in the other thread.

I do understand but I dont think you can vouch for every Mexican.
Unfortunately Bush Made a deal with the mexican President to Work illegally in California.
Our population on Mexicans is increasing tremendously.
Many gangs also  & many fights.
Not only do they love what happened on 9/11 but they hate us white people.
I see it written wherever I work.
I read it on the out houses & other places.
I hear them talking in SPanish behind our backs while they think we dont understand them.
They stare us down like they got a hugh problem, knowing they have almost ever Mexican backing them up.
They come steal our work since they have about 20 crews to do 20 different jobs.
California is expensive to live at compared to mexico.
A dollar is alot in Mexico.
Thats where this comes in.
They come in steal our work then move back to Mexico with Money.
While we are trying to make ends meet out in this expensive state.
They dont care, they are trying to survive just like we are.
Crusader I got into more fights with mexicans then anyone.
They consider my brother & I traitors because we are only half & we were born to speak only English.
I know a little bit of Spanish to know if one of them is talking smack or not.
Little Mexican Kids coming over starting fights with me, knowing theres 20 other Mexicans looking out thier houses to see if i do or say anythang so they can jump me.

You got to see where we are coming from too.
I know how hard it is in Mexico.
If your going to move out here to work then there should be some kind of education for them as well.
I met many nice mexicans in Mexico.
Out here in California I dont think it's the same.
I think thier rude, they are careless
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posted September 05, 2006 09:21 AM

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I met many nice mexicans in Mexico.
Out here in California I dont think it's the same.
I think thier rude, they are careless


They're only rude because everyone else is rude to them. If you gave them a chance they wouldn't be so rude.
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posted September 05, 2006 10:13 AM

You have no idea what you are talking about.
They came out here stealing our work & starting fights.
How about say your dad moved out here to work.
All of a sudden the whole company gets over run by Mexicans & there is a group of 20.
They work twice as less.
All of a sudden your dad is out of work or layed off for a long time.

Can you blame whoever runs the business.
Hard workers.
They can get multiple jobs done in a day (not to say thier job is standard)
SO many crews out there.
They want twice as less.
What would you do?
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posted September 05, 2006 08:15 PM

There is a differace here......
The mexicans I have met here in my state who are leagally here are the sweetest people I have ever met. They work hard and pay taxes like everyone else. I think the biggest complaint most people have are the ones who are here ilegally, me it really doesn't matter as long as we all have to work and pay taxes. I can't stand hearing in the news about all the racial wars that go on in this country, it doesn't matter to me if your white black mexican asian on purple for that matter god created us all AS EQUALS! God never created the white race to be superior to any other and it just erks me to know end seeing how white people act to diffrent races.

I myself have met aculias and his family and to me they are awsome, they are a great bunch of people and I would NEVER judge them for their race. It just saddens me to see this country and it's people bringing down others because they are not of their race.

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posted September 05, 2006 11:20 PM

they are illegal ok... but they are humans beings too, and some of them and in some places they treated like animals that's why the angry that makes all this social problems...

The problem is we have a vicius circle... I mean they are hostile just because the other are hostile with them... and the other races are hostile with them because they are hostile... so what to do??

that is the question, and maybe that's why the congress will give them the chance to be legal... anyway they will continue working illegal or legal in the USA... so make them legal will give them the chance feel part of that country, and this action can change a lot of social and racial problems specially in cities where are a lot of latin people...

I don't Know Acu if you know what this law will do... not all illegals will be legalized just the ones who have certain time in the states... and this will have another benefit, they will start to pay taxes like any other american citizen... there is no way to stop the migration from México to USA and no matter how high the walls are they will continue going to the USA... so I think this is a good way to start to change the latin mentality in the States...

the only truth is that USA need the inmigrants and the inmigrants needs USA...
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posted September 06, 2006 03:19 AM

If we all can coexist then it would be ok.
I think another problem is under the table work.
That means you get paid in cash without getting a check & the govt wont know if you work or not.
Many construction businesses does that.
They know thier illegal but they will do it anyways because it cheap for them.
There have been many personal vendetta.
I think it goes both ways though.
I dont think you can just blame the white people 100 or the Mexicans 100%
It takes two to start a fight or an argument.
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posted September 06, 2006 06:13 PM

Just out of curiosity: why do you consider Mexicans another race? Both WASPs (AKA "white" Americans) and Mexicans are Caucasians and both are, in fact, white.

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posted September 06, 2006 07:59 PM

actually the mexicans are a mix of the spanish and the native tribe of here like Aztecs Mayas and other tribes...

so we are another race

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posted September 06, 2006 08:17 PM

So, what race are you then? Whasian? I still think that the majority of Mexicans look more white (Spanish) than asian since (if I remember correctly) most natives died out and those who stayed weren't enough to make a big difference.

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posted September 06, 2006 08:36 PM

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So, what race are you then? Whasian? I still think that the majority of Mexicans look more white (Spanish) than asian since (if I remember correctly) most natives died out and those who stayed weren't enough to make a big difference.


maybe you can asnwer that question... why if someone is Mexican or half mexican means that he will steal something???
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posted September 06, 2006 08:55 PM

No comments. If you take WV posts so seriously, then quit reading those. If you are simply looking for a reason to start a fight or give someone a hard time, then choose another target. Good luck.

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posted September 06, 2006 09:04 PM

Well sorry if you feel attacked for my comment... I'm not that kind of guy... anybody who knows me knows that... but sometimes a comment like that who is directly to your own people is hard to take it as a joke...
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posted September 06, 2006 09:15 PM
Edited by friendofgunnar at 21:18, 06 Sep 2006.

Vicente Fox looks like a white dude.  I've had mexican co-workers though that looked like they came straight from a 500 year old mayan village.  There's a wide spectrum between those two extremes (judging only from the Mexicans that make it up here).  

Truth is there's a lot of Aztec meso-american ethnicity making it's way up north.

All the latin american countries are like that basically, only in some countries like Columbia and Venezuala it's more lopsided on both ends ("white" and "native").

And then you have the African factor in places like Costa Rica, Brazil, Dominican Republic, etc....


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posted September 06, 2006 09:36 PM

QP's applied for trying to reach a civil understanding - and doing so without escalating to uglies. Very cool to try to talk it all through - and maybe open some oter people's eyes.

Please watch the colourful terms though...
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posted September 06, 2006 09:39 PM
Edited by russ at 23:07, 11 Sep 2006.

The whole idea of race or ethnicity generally pisses me off. I didn't fully understand those concepts until I was about 14. Until then I didn't consider many "Asian" Russians to be any different from "White" Russians. Well, seeing the black guy for the first time in my life when I was like 9 was weird, but I didn't consider him any different. To me it was similar to people having different hair color, etc. But then I came to Canada, the whole **** changed. People are PC and the whole PC concept implies that "those people" are different from "us". So, when you say "african american" and carefully choose your words when you are in their company, what you are doing in reality is treating them differently and acknowledging that they are different as opposed to being same human being as you are.

Now, back to my "racist comment" that I made in a WV thread in response to someone that I know.
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you stole my five bucks? and you probably spent it on male hookers too. what a shame.
Well, what do you expect? he's 1/2 Mexican!

Ya, I am so racist that I guess I should join KKK. Oh, I also make gay jokes. I guess this also makes me a gay basher? What else? Often I would make other non-PC jokes. So, I guess I am generally a hater.

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posted September 06, 2006 10:33 PM

I actually have a lot to say about this issue, but I don't have time for one of my long essays. But for now, just a few quick points.

I lived in California for 12 years. For those who don't know what that means, it means I lived in an area surrounded by millions of "Mexicans". I'm not sure if this is current or accurate, but I believe that "Mexicans" are the plurality population in California. Meaning they outnumber any other race or nationality, including the total European decent.

I put the word "Mexican" in quotes because in every day speech, people usually refer to all Hispanics as "Mexicans". So the term "Mexican" usually means anyone from central or south America. The majority of Hispanics really are true Mexicans. I'll use the term Mexican as true Mexican, and Hispanic as all Hispanics.

I personally consider Mexican as being a race, for the same reason LC said. LC could give more detail and correct me if I'm wrong. The role of the Spanish in the lower US, Central and South America was much different than the role of the British (and French) in the current US and Canada. The role in the US and Canada was more of an expansion of European borders. The role of the Spanish was more a role of religious conversion in the name of the Catholic Church. And also the stealing/mining of resources, especially gold and silver. The role of the Spanish was more of a true conquering, rather than a slow expansion like it was in the Upper US and Canada. The Spanish quickly overran and absorbed or killed the native population, without a large population of Spanish settlers. (LC, please correct me if I'm wrong in this)

Somehow during all this, the Spanish interbred with the native population much more than the British and other Europeans did in the US and Canada. In the US, the native peoples were either killed directly or died from foreign disease, starvation or environmental conditions. Most of the rest were put onto reservations. To my knowledge there was little interbreeding.

I don't know the survival rate of the native populations in Mexico and the other southern natives in the Americas. Without knowing the details, but judging from appearance, there are a large number of Mexicans who have very distinct features with the look of a native population. For example high distinct cheekbones and very dark or pure black straight hair. These people tend to be leaner in body type. Of course there is everything in between, but on the other end is an appearance without the strong cheekbones, lighter colored hair (often light brown or reddish brown), hair not as straight or even curly, with a more stocky heavier body type. I stress that these are general descriptions.

I also have some immigration statistics to give a good idea of the number of people we are talking about. But I have to leave soon.

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posted September 07, 2006 05:30 AM

Are you kdding me Russ lol.
Mexicans have brown skin..
Why do you think there is a place called mexico?

Mexicans are a mix but it has been explained already.
Yes Binabik, the population is expanding to places that were not populated by them before.
They are increasing in hugh Numbers, they are starting fights & there are gangs or wannabe gand bangers.
Wanabe Gang bangers are worst then actual gangs.
Actual gangs follow a code, they dont start fights orless they need to.It's all usually strictly business.
Wannabe gang bangers are the loud rowndy bunch who run thier mouth.
They talk smack & start stuff with everyone.
They pull thier guns out & wont think a second when they shoot you either.
Not just mexicans but all races.
Some people just want to be cool so they act gangster.
Grafiti, you name it they do it.

Just today we almost got into a fight with a Mexican when we went to pick up our material at our job, then it got to a crazy argument.
He is a Warehouse man & part of his job is to load material in our truck.
He refused & said it was not his job.
We go to the window in the shop & ask the guy in there & he backed him up so we had to waste 20 minutes loading it up manually then  it taking 3 minutes to load it up lol.

Unfortunately there will be bad eggs no matter where you go, I dont care where they come from.


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posted September 07, 2006 04:43 PM
Edited by russ at 23:06, 11 Sep 2006.

@Acu
I'd have brown skin if I lived in Mexico. Actually, come to think of it, I do have light brown skin now. Many Europeans (especially - southern ones like Italians, French and Spanish) have natural tan, so does that make them a different race? Even some Russians have natural tan, so does that make them a different "Brownish Russians" race? Also, some Russians are whiter than the others (even whiter than me without tan), should they be designated as a "Really White Russians" race? I would, of course, belong to "Generally White, But Brown When Tanned Russians" race? Oh, and also, we need to designate another one for some people like me grandmother such as "Dammit! I Can't Get a Tan No Matter How Hard I Try. I Get Red When I Am Outside, But I Am White The Next Day Again Russians" race!

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