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posted June 13, 2002 06:24 AM |
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You people are reading WAY too much into this.
If you remember taking geometry in High School. You aren't allowed to assume anything. You have only the info that is in front of you.
Did it say that whe left him so quickly, NO! Did it say otherwise. NO! For all we know she could have tried to convince Robin. We don't know. WE do know that Robin was abused the woman who just freed him. This was said in the senario. Robin to me is obviously the worst.
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Ichon
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posted June 13, 2002 06:37 AM |
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that's why I hated geometry
As for what we know or don't strictly by the info presented... you're reading just as much into it as anyone to assume Marion tried convincing Robin of anything.
Now, going by the crimes or taboo broken- Sheriff breaks 2; takes advantage of his authority for personal gain(sleeping with Marion) abandons his responsabilities(releases prisoners). Marion does two things also, sleeps with someone other than her lover, and abandons her lover for another. Robin does 1 thing- tells his lover off after she has betrayed him. Little John does 1 thing, asks another mans lover to leave him and elope together.
You could count that Robin and Little John actually taking advantage of Marion's sleeping with the Sheriff as a crime since innocent men would stay and face justice, but taking into account the corruption of the Sheriff, there might not be any justice so they are absolved of that crime.
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posted June 13, 2002 07:06 AM |
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Do you have to contradict EVERYTHING I say? First that diplomacy is supposedly better for necromacy and now it's whether or not I'm reading too in depth. Well here's what I have to say. You're reading to in depth about my reading in depth.
AND secondly, If you look at the thread. There was a gap in the post by over 6 months, therefore I read this thread before most of you did. I was reading what the rest of you were saying after the fact I made my initial decision, which by the way still hasn't changed.
If you want to argue that to change my mind, then that would be impossible, because #1: You don't know what my decision was and #2: You can't change my moral views.
(Everyone note I didn't say "morale")
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Avallach
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posted June 13, 2002 07:11 AM |
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what if...
Marion and Robin have children? Would Little John still be the hero? Just to keep this going... the story doesn't say they do, but it doesn't say they don't either.
Well, 'Maid' actually means 'virgin', so I doubt that they do  . It was after 'Maid Marion' spent the night with the sheriff that she became just 'Marion'. But to answer the hypothetical, I'd say yes. If Robin and Marion's relationship was marital (whether strictly or defacto), and Robin chose to abandon both her and any children they may have had, then Little John would be doing an even greater kindness in supporting them also. If there was a custody battle though... well, I doubt it would have been pretty . In this scenario, incidentally, I would move Robin from equal with Marion to below her.
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You aren't allowed to assume anything. You have only the info that is in front of you.
I don't know... I rather think that part of the test is to see the assumptions that people do make. It makes it interesting, anyway.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 13, 2002 07:28 AM |
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Robin, Little John, Sheriff, Robin.
Robin is more of a wife/girlfriend beater than Jason Kidd. I hate Jason Kidd. And I'm glad that he got his ass kicked by the Lakers.
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SubZero
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posted June 13, 2002 09:10 AM |
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Oh Jesus Lord...
Forgive me God saying this...but...
You all are beating dead horse.
Not even a horse that died today hour ago or even yesterday but one that died centuries ago.
Possible horse called Bukefalos.
But now that you want to...
A very hypothetical question...
Or not so when you look at the facts...
How about "maid" Marion would get child with Sheriff?
She spends night with Sheriff doesn't she?
This would add more twist to the story and then the sheriff would ask to marry Marion who is still in love with Robin who is abusing her and there's Little John offering escape for Marion from it all.
I think it would make so much interesting debate whether Marion should make abortion or not and which of the guys to take.
Then there are the responsibility for child, love forever and escape for new life options.
There's "real morality test" for you...
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 13, 2002 09:16 AM |
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But then it becomes a what would you do question instead. Which is fine.
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SubZero
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posted June 13, 2002 09:23 AM |
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Well...OK
Let's see...
Sheriff wants to marry Marion who is carrying his child inside her but Marion would like to have Robin as father (who gives great rolemodel instead of bad Sheriff). However Robin abuses her because he doesn't want to have do with someone elses son and wants Marion to give baby to Sheriff. Little John doesn't care about the child and wants that Marion makes abortion and runsaway with him.
So Marion leaves Bad rolemodel Sheriff and Good abusing rolemodel Robin and makes abortion to live with Little John.
Happy now?
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 13, 2002 09:29 AM |
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I still wouldn't change my order.
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Ichon
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posted June 13, 2002 09:37 AM |
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ahh... good one Sumzero!
as for you Redsoxfan, I think you are taking it a little bit too personally. I'll argue with anyone who is willing to respond. Especially about such pointless and trivial issues, but you shouldn't get so worked up over it. You're taking it like you were a woman who had a wife beater husband and now feels instant empahy for any woman she thinks might be in that situation but leaps to conclusions which the truth doesn't justify.
Saying Marion in this story is a heroine is a contradiction in itelf, for her supposed precious sacrifice of sleeping with the Sheriff means absolutely nothing if she gives up on the reason she did it. Either she didn't love Robin in the first place and so slept with Sheriff for her own reasons and lied to make it seem noble, or she deluded herself into thinking it was noble sacrifice for love, but when faced with a little something she didn't expect from the guy that she thought would through himself at her feet for her "great" sacrifice, totally abandons the pretext of love and slinks off with the first guy who offers to take her in. Little John or Robin can be the only two choices for the better morality, but none of them are perfect morality, though the Sheriff remains obviously the worst. It comes to preference between thinking Robin was justified to rejected Marion(by the way, did y'all take abuse as physical abuse or verbal abuse?)or he wasn't, or if Little John was being tolerant and loving in accepting Marion and offering her a place with him, or he was really just after an easy woman and didn't care if he broke any existing relationships.
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mmontgomery
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posted June 13, 2002 05:28 PM |
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Ichon, the way you keep going about Marion 'abandoning' Robin when in fact Robin would have nothing to do with her, makes me wonder.
Do people in geneal think that they can ignore or insult your girlfriends and tell them that they don't want to have anything to do with them, but expect that the girl will stick with them anyway because they are in love with them? This goes along with the myth that you will only fall in love with one person, so once someone has fallen in love with you, you can insult or abuse them all you want, and they are hopelessly stuck. If you think this, you might need some counseling.
Love is a two-way street. I fully expect once Robin rejected and abused Marion the way that he did, that he "quenched the fire of love" in her heart.
Similarly, Little John's acceptance could easily have stirred Marion to fall in love with him.
As for the pregnancy scenario, Little John married Marion, did not insist on an abortion, but raised the son as his own. Marion loved Little John all the more for it. The son (which some men would have tried to make Marion abort) became a great hero, and was loved by the people of the land. His decendents include many famous scientists, inventors, artists, musicians, etc.
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posted June 13, 2002 06:40 PM |
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As for the pregnancy scenario, Little John married Marion, did not insist on an abortion, but raised the son as his own. Marion loved Little John all the more for it. The son (which some men would have tried to make Marion abort) became a great hero, and was loved by the people of the land. His decendents include many famous scientists, inventors, artists, musicians, etc. All decendents were happy they had a great dad but thankful they avoided the "little" part of him.
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posted June 13, 2002 06:46 PM |
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Moral? whats that? 
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CraigHack
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posted June 13, 2002 06:53 PM |
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Quote:
Let's see...
Sheriff wants to marry Marion who is carrying his child inside her but Marion would like to have Robin as father (who gives great rolemodel instead of bad Sheriff). However Robin abuses her because he doesn't want to have do with someone elses son and wants Marion to give baby to Sheriff. Little John doesn't care about the child and wants that Marion makes abortion and runsaway with him.
So Marion leaves Bad rolemodel Sheriff and Good abusing rolemodel Robin and makes abortion to live with Little John.
Happy now?
....And they all lived happily ever after!
Excellent continuation Sha_Men
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Ichon
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posted June 13, 2002 10:41 PM |
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Marion
Well, actually I think most women would have left Robin eventually after he rejected them- but not without more grief in doing so than Marion seems to display in this story. Of course it's so short and leaves so much to conjecture, but because of that people fill in the blanks, and almost everyone jumped to fill in the blanks in her favor. It's the damsel in distress syndrome.
I just had to object to her being the instant heroine, she isn't the worst by far, but she certainly isn't the best or fully the victim in the story.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 14, 2002 12:23 AM |
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ahh... good one Sumzero!
as for you Redsoxfan, I think you are taking it a little bit too personally. I'll argue with anyone who is willing to respond. Especially about such pointless and trivial issues, but you shouldn't get so worked up over it. You're taking it like you were a woman who had a wife beater husband and now feels instant empahy for any woman she thinks might be in that situation but leaps to conclusions which the truth doesn't justify.
I'm not taking it personally. I don't really give a snow as to whether or not you're arguing with me. You're assuming things. When I say... I hate, it means more along the lines of I don't believe that it's right. I would feel the same way about a wife abusing a husband. This is just part of my morals to not be violent unless cowardice is the only other option. I don't believe this to the point of Ghandi, but it's kind of that direction.
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posted June 14, 2002 08:18 AM |
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posted June 15, 2002 02:59 AM |
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How the hell did you get 3 red stars when all you do is spam?
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posted April 09, 2004 07:14 PM |
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:LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or a woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you.
...Why thank you!
me too
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posted April 10, 2004 01:33 AM |
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MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion. (Men) You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit. (Women) You like being a woman, you understand what love is, and frankly enjoy sex.
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