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watcher83
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posted September 30, 2006 11:58 PM |
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free cities of the east; humans worshiping Sylath (dragon of air)
I don't know how to call this town but I would like to present my idea of how it my be.
Heroe - Bard
lv 1 Halfing Stonethrower - Halfing Slinger (ranged, slayer)
lv 2 Pikeman - Haleberdier (no retaliation)
lv 3 Centaur - Centaur Captain (bravery,enraged)
lv 4 Swordsman - Crusader (two attacks)
lv 5 Enchanter - Sorcerer (caster)
lv 6 Roc - Thunderbird (flyer, aditional lightning damage)
lv 7 White Dragon - Silver Dragon (flyer, insubsatntial- like the ghost ability)
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actionjack
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posted October 01, 2006 01:11 AM |
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I like the creature line up.
And the Bard is clever.
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 09:57 AM |
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Thanks, I'm having second thoughts with the dragon though. Maybe you or anyone else have any idea on how the children of sylath might look. I chose white\silver dragon because in the Myth of Creation Sylath was presented as having these colours.
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alcibiades
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posted October 01, 2006 12:38 PM |
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Hmmm ... Actually, I must say I'm not too keen on this town, simply because I don't feel it fits very well with how the other Heroes 5 towns has been constructed. All the current towns of the game has one theme as a red line for the creature line up - Human, Elf, Darkelf, Dwarf, Demonic, Undead, and Construct. This town just seems like a get-together of a random bunch of creatures - very much like the old Rampart town, that was just a throw-together of creatures that normally don't get together (Elves and Dwarves?).
I like the idea of a Estern-Plains tribal people, but I'd vouch for something with a stronger thematic line-up. I think the Roc/Thunderbird would go down excellently here, and I also like the idea of the Dragon of Air being represented here as the Silver Dragon (I'd make the line-up Silver Dragon / Mithrill Dragon, but that's a detail). I also think the Bard hero is a very interesting idea. The Pikeman and Swordsman, however, has too strong ties to the Haven to make it a good choice for this city, imo. I would rather think the classic Nomad unit into this, and elaborate on that theme.
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 01:09 PM |
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Ok, I have to say I agree with most of your ideas. I think this will be a human town, because the humans who didn't agree worshiping Elrath instead of Sylath founded the free cities of the east, its capital being Stonehelm. So I guess the new line-up would be:
lv1 Pikeman - Haleberdier (no retaliation)
lv2 Centaur - Centaur captain (enraged, bravery)
lv3 Archer - Sharpshooter (no range penalty)
lv4 Nomad - Raider (attack increases in castle siege)
lv5 Enchanter - Sorcerer (caster)
lv6 Roc - Thunderbird (flyer, aditional lightning damage)
lv7 Silver dragon - Sky dragon (flyer, insubtiate)
So now there are 4 human troops(lv1,3,4,5) a dragon and two other creatures; much like the hommm v towns.
I'd like to see suggestions on this.
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Sindbad
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posted October 01, 2006 05:29 PM |
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This town sounds very unoriginal to me... Who said such town should be included? Watcher mentioned in the thread *11th town* that this is really going to be in H5. Is this true?
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 07:50 PM |
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I have reasons to believe so. I don't know about the units. But Stonehelm is on the Ashan map, and in Dark Messiah of Might and Magic it is said that Stonehelm is the capital of Free cities of the east, which has humans who worship Sylath. Also Fabrice Cambounet said something about clues on the ashan map. If you look closely at the map you'll see, besides the factions in homm v, Grimheim with it's capital Tor Muraal( the dwarves); Karthal a red city with water at its base so I presume it's the naga capital; Ranaar which I guess is where the barbarian orcs live and the city of Stonehelm. So, as you see I'm pretty sure that in one of the expansions or in the worst case HoMM VI will be such a faction.
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Sindbad
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posted October 01, 2006 07:58 PM |
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You might be right...
But it should be wizards who worship Sylath. And whats in dark messiah? Are there some exact creature types who worship Sylath?
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 08:02 PM |
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There is a city guard (human unit with armour a sword and a shield). My lv5 is enchanter - sorcerer. For hero I was thinking of a bard but you may be right.
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 08:06 PM |
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This is taken from the myth of creation:
"SYLATH, The Dragon of AIR
The silvery-white dragon of Air is the keeper of secrets, for he sees all and hears all. However, he is frivolous (“flighty”) and impetuous.
He values quick thinking and spontaneity, but also useless complexity, which sometimes leaves him frustrated and condescending toward his older siblings, who just don’t “get it”.
He is mostly worshipped by travellers, bards, spies, but also mummers, courtiers, rakes and thieves, and even some wizards (for his extensive arcane knowledge but also his tendency to make even the simpler facts appear “hermetic”).
He is the patron deity of the Humans (the youngest race, as he is the youngest dragon) but has been supplanted by his elder brother Elrath, the Dragon of Light, in the Holy Griffin Empire.
Sylath is still very popular among the Northern Barbarian tribes and Eastern Free Cities however (not united enough to form a faction)."
So as you see the hero could be: bard, spy, thief, sorcerer(wizard is already taken).
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Sindbad
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posted October 01, 2006 08:10 PM |
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I have read the myth of creation. But I suggest there could be lots of towns worshiping any gods! (I know Im very optimistic and naive!  ) You can see my town suggestions later in my thread (if it moves) *Complete ideas for expansions* (the thread name was supposed to be a good advert, but it doesnt seem to work properly... )
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alcibiades
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posted October 01, 2006 10:10 PM |
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Ok, to give you some input, my suggestions would be like this:
Level 1: Fourager / Blowpiper
Level 2: Axeman / Spearman
Level 3: Raider / Tribe Chieftan
Level 4: Shaman / Whitchdoctor
Level 5: Roc / Thunderbird
Level 6: Gorgon / Mighty Gorgon
Level 7: Silver Dragon / Mithrill Dragon
Elaborating comments
I have in this line-up focused on northern american native american tribes people but combined this with a taint of southern american jungle tribes people. Just to give you an idea of the visuals.
Fourager - Blowpiper
The Fouragers are the basic food gathering units of the tribespeople and are not trained for fight. This unit should be weak and do poor damage, but fleetfooted and possibly with some deffensive special - perhaps dodge, to make it take only half damage from attacks on a succesfull dodge.
The Blowpipers are hunting units, armed with blowpipes that should give them a limited range of 3 or 4 tiles - beyond this range, the units cannot attack. They do not suffer range penalty, however. Their damage is low - possibly 1-1 as base damage, but their darts could be poisened to add either extra damage or other effects.
Axemen - Pikemen
This would be like the classical north american footman fighter, armed with either Axe or Pikes (to give a range of 1 square). A unit mediocre in terms of stats and damage, but fleetfooded. In fact, speed should be one of the advantages on the low levels of these units.
Raider - Chieftan
Classical north american tribe fighters on horseback. The Chieftan might have the ride-by attack special, to allow him to ride in a straight line by the target and making his attack without retaliation.
Shaman - Whitchdoctor
The mages of the plains-people would be spellcasters and ranged units. Possibly a fairly offensive oriented unit, not unlike the druid. Might also have access to some curses on upgrade, however.
Roc - Thunderbird
The Roc and Thunderbird are classical birds living in peaks above the plain-lands, and would be a likely candidate to a flying unit of this town. This unit is a classic Heroes unit, should be offensive and fast, with lightning strike. Should be level 5 and not level 6 to avoid level 6 and level 7 flyer combo (unbalanced).
Gorgon - Mighty Gorgon
The Gorgons traditionally grasses on the plainlands and would therefore fit right in here. Gas cloud attack would make a handy special on upgrade (see also my description in topic on alternate creatures for dungeon).
Silver Dragon - Mithrill Dragon
The Silver Dragon would make a great embodiment of the Dragon of Light. I think the White Dragon should be avoided, because one should not mix Chromatic Dragons (white, black, red, etc) with Metallic Dragons (silver, gold, brass, etc) because these two races are traditionally enemies. I would therefore propose the Mithrill Dragon as the upgraded form. Magic Mirror would be a very handy special ability for the upgraded form.
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alcibiades
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posted October 01, 2006 10:13 PM |
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Quote:
You might be right...
But it should be wizards who worship Sylath.
It is specifically stated that the Wizards worship no-one but magic.
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actionjack
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posted October 01, 2006 10:25 PM |
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One idea would be to have it more of an Eastern theme... as the Chinese dragon have a strong association with sky, air, and water.
but not sure how that would go with the overall lore....
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watcher83
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posted October 02, 2006 09:40 AM |
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in your line up alcibiades, is your gorgon a cow like creature(homm III) or similar to the medusa(greek mythology)?
Nice picture actionjack. It looks more like a water dragon to me because it has no wings.
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Sindbad
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posted October 02, 2006 03:09 PM |
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Quite nice line-up... But Gorgons above Thunderbirds???
And I dont actually like the idea of this town at all. Couldnt it simply be the Orcs (Barbarians) worship Sylath? If the poin is that you want to have Silver dragons, they can be neutral or dont need to be included in the game at all. For example, I dont think Elrath, the dragon of light is going to be in a town...
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alcibiades
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posted October 02, 2006 03:47 PM |
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in your line up alcibiades, is your gorgon a cow like creature(homm III) or similar to the medusa(greek mythology)?
Nice picture actionjack. It looks more like a water dragon to me because it has no wings.
The Gorgon should deffinitely be the bull-like one, like this image:
And to adress your comments Sindbad - well, too bad for you you don't like it. It's not the city on the top of my wishlist, but it might possibly show up at some time in one form or another. Currently, the town still needs some unique feature to make it separate from the excisting towns. I would probably prefer an Orc town to come before this one, but looking at the official map, I find it very hard to believe that the city of Stonehelm is an Orc town, just from the looks of it. And personally, I have no problem with the Gorgon being higher ranking than the Thunderbird. They were on same level in Heroes 3, and look at the Treant and the Unicorn, that actually swapped places.
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Sindbad
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posted October 02, 2006 04:05 PM |
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But such town is boring. Something is missing! Something that makes it unique and interesting! And making another desert town isnt such a good idea...
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alcibiades
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posted October 02, 2006 04:31 PM |
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There has to be a unique feature, yes. What I'm thinking is ... Plainspeople ... Nomads ... Mobile cities?
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Sindbad
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posted October 02, 2006 04:38 PM |
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Well, I cant see the creatures you mentioned in a faction together, niether a unique feature... this town sux 
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