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Heroes Community > Heroes 4 - Lands of Axeoth > Thread: Venom Spawn vs. Vampire
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Fortress_fan
Fortress_fan

Disgraceful

posted November 03, 2006 05:30 PM

Poll Question:
Venom Spawn vs. Vampire

This is one of the most interesting choices in the game. I have never understanded why people are so found of vampires when they loose their only shooter (and the best Level 3 shooter). Is it nostalgia? I agree that vampires are decent creatures, but if you want them you can get them with necromancy anyway and leave weak imps (or skeletons) to guard nearest town.

Whats your opinion? Venom Spawns or Vampires?
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Vampires
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metos
metos


Known Hero
God of Shadows
posted November 03, 2006 05:48 PM

Venom spawns obviously.........

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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted November 03, 2006 06:50 PM

Vapires... venom spawns are some of most stupid creature designs (IMHO of course).

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VokialBG
VokialBG


Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
posted November 03, 2006 07:06 PM

Vampire! The Vampire is the best lv. 3 creature!

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vhilhu
vhilhu


Famous Hero
We are NOT schysophren
posted November 03, 2006 07:16 PM
Edited by vhilhu at 19:17, 03 Nov 2006.

spawns are great.

but absolutely nothing beats life drain. most neutral battles go without casualities.

vampire it is, then.
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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 04, 2006 04:59 PM

Quote:
This is one of the most interesting choices in the game. I have never understanded why people are so found of vampires when they loose their only shooter (and the best Level 3 shooter). Is it nostalgia? I agree that vampires are decent creatures, but if you want them you can get them with necromancy anyway and leave weak imps (or skeletons) to guard nearest town.

Whats your opinion? Venom Spawns or Vampires?


1. Vampires ar not only 'decent' creatures, they are killing machines! with excelent combat stats, no retaliation and drain life abilities (+undead&flying) they are far the best lev3 creatures in games. They are able to defeat most of level 3 creatures in fight 1 vs 2 - 100 vampires will kill e.g. 230 nightmares (200 nightmares without losses). By the way, vampires in HOMM IV are best of all HOMM series in comparison with other creatures, regardless the fact that they are draining only half of hit points from damage they inflicted (100% in HOMM III).
2. It's better to choose venom spawns in towns but the reason is not that they are more useful than vampires. As you wrote, hero with GM necromancy is able to raise vampires, so he will have venomp spawns and vampires as well in his army. Choosing vampires to be recruited in town is not wise decision on medium+ maps (especially when you need defeat large stacks of powerful). But on small maps, when the hero won't have enought time, it's sometimes better to recruit vampires.

Of course, venom spawns would be far better creatures of level 3 if vampires didn't exist in game

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Legendary Hero
posted November 17, 2006 01:00 PM

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Venom spawns obviously.........

I don't agree.Vampires have an excellent number of hit points,No Retaliation and Life Drain abilities.The Venom Spawns are good rangestrikers with poison attacks so they are clearly on par.
I choose the Vampire in 80% of the games I played.On the rare ocassions when my army included Venom Spawns,the only reasonm was that I wa low on crytal or i had too much mercury.Also,the Vampire is around singe h2,while the Venom Spawn is new in town.

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redprince24
redprince24


Hired Hero
posted March 23, 2009 03:06 PM

I pick Vampires.

even though they are not long ranged, they can fly everywhere and no one can retaliate against them, while sucking up their opponent's HP. after all, these kind of abilities can make them invincible if used properly.
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Konyev
Konyev


Hired Hero
posted April 26, 2009 07:53 PM

vampires they are can be much powerfull,with skill support(gm necro),and life drain,and also have no ret......
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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted April 29, 2009 01:41 PM

venom spawn because vampires are imba
moreover venom spawns deal a lot of damage.

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Evasion
Evasion


Famous Hero
Groovy!
posted April 29, 2009 06:00 PM

Venom Spawns are imba.
That's why I voted for them.
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Trashid
Trashid


Famous Hero
posted April 29, 2009 06:13 PM
Edited by Trashid at 18:16, 29 Apr 2009.

It is far better to have vampires in this town, if you want to have bosses, as 2 of them are flying, and sometimes they can protect from venom their enemies. But i always choose Venom spawns, cos i like them And the fact they are only in this game pushes me to pick them, as i can have vamps in any other game
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Blizzardboy
Blizzardboy


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Prince of Poetry
posted April 29, 2009 08:31 PM

Vampire are better for creeping purposes because they have the power of cheese, I mean life drain. But I always thought venom spawns were just... outright cooler than those girly guys that dress up in tacky suits.

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Warmonger
Warmonger


Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
posted April 29, 2009 09:03 PM

Impossible choice, I love them both. But usually I pick Venom Spawns as Vampires come with Necromancy anyway.

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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted April 29, 2009 09:26 PM

I guess when it comes down to what to build, you can argue both ways. However, Vampires are the better creature hands down. Once you get access to Vampires (usually through GM Necromancy), you're by default almost unstoppable, as the stack will just grow and grow, and will keep themselves alive through almost any battle (like someone previously wrote, you can take on level 3 monsters 2:1, and they can face most level 4's without problems as well).
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Lexxan
Lexxan


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted April 29, 2009 10:35 PM

I've always prefered Ranged units to Melee ones... guess who I chose

Besides, you can raise Vampires, both through Raise Vampires and Necromancy.
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted April 30, 2009 08:54 AM

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I guess when it comes down to what to build, you can argue both ways. However, Vampires are the better creature hands down. Once you get access to Vampires (usually through GM Necromancy), you're by default almost unstoppable, as the stack will just grow and grow, and will keep themselves alive through almost any battle (like someone previously wrote, you can take on level 3 monsters 2:1, and they can face most level 4's without problems as well).


apart from golem dragons (mechanical), bone dragons (undead, but vampires don't even feel the fear) and sea monsters (devouring is like disintegrate ) they don't have much to fear...
hum maybe faerie dragons can be a problem too actually. they are easy to kill and to drain life from, but the lightning bolt may kill a lots of vampires...

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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
gets back
posted May 01, 2009 10:52 PM

Not much of a choice (unless you play on some unbalanced version with necromancy unbal too). Venom is usually better because of morale, in the long run. Especially in equilibris, which is a must have for multi.

(in std heroes4 death is so overpowered its not even funny)
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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted May 03, 2009 11:55 AM

lol, it's like saying genies aren't great enough in the original game.
well, actually they may be even more imba in equilibris. mass slow, come on...

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kesnar
kesnar


Famous Hero
from Kesnaria
posted May 03, 2009 12:02 PM

Vampires if I go with Devils(which react as shooters able to attack every creature in the field)
Spawns if I go with dragons...

When I rarely play...
H4 is not good...
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