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radar
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posted January 10, 2007 03:57 PM |
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Edited by radar at 15:58, 10 Jan 2007.
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Why you all hate Necro?
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Being a soldier of light "I hate to say it" that I enjoy Necro because they are morally corrupt. They are fun to use but it is opposed to my moral alignment.
lol a I am not a... 'soldier of light'  but i play in every game with 'good' faction (paladins!  ) and I dont like evils. but, yes i hate necropolis also 
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Istari
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posted January 10, 2007 10:40 PM |
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I have to disagree, bringing back people from death using necromancy isn't neccisary bad. They get their lives back, in return they fight for their master. Of course, it would be best if the necromancer asked them before he/she arised them, but that is not possible.
Necromancy restores the body, not the soul. It damn's the person revived. You may have noticed that Nicolai wasn't real happy about being revived. Even a revived body can be cut down (which is why the nerco's strength is in numbers and are weak as individual characters) but the soul will live forever. Necromancy is necessarily bad.
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Istari
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Truth Teller, ToH
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posted January 11, 2007 05:54 PM |
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That's the problem with you goody-two-shoes LG types! You think about restrictions even when you have fun. Filthy hypocrites!
The good thing is to truly roleplay what your faction/character is. If you are necro be a b*stard and go to kill,maim,destroy to raise some armies! Feel the power of having to obey just yourself and your motivations and forget your real life or other alignments! (I admit that roleplaying evil chars made me feel guilty initially-I got over it soon!)
Wow for a "supreme hero" you really have no idea what you are talking about. That's weird most of your comments have been very good. Oh well, everyone is bound to post crapper sometime.
Let's look at the work hypocrite. It seems to be a favorite adjective in describing lawful good players (which I unabashedly am). A hypocrite is someone who presents themself as having a quality that they do not really have. Because lawful players have the highest standards it is easiest to find fault with them. The reason people swing around the hypocrite club at good players and not evil players I would guess because evil is "cooler" and possible examples of good make people guilty or uncomfortable with their own short-comings. However lawful good does not mean perfection. It means holding yourself to a perfect standard knowing that it is only a goal to keep you striving, and an end in this life.
So at any point have I represented myself with a quality that I do not possess. No. I stated that I do not like that Necro is evil and I do not play necro (expect in the campaign when I had to). You may have been mislead by me stating that I enjoyed necro. In all of us is the desire to do both good and evil, and those desires fight with each other to be expressed in my life. Playing necro touched an evil and cruel part inside myself. Does that make me evil. No. The fact that I resist that desire show's that I am good.
So before you jump on the "ignorant LG" perhaps you should look at more at it in its complexity. I agree that we should role play and embrace the factions that we want to. However being guided by your enjoyment in a faction is not a higher or more enlightened view than being guided by your values and principles. Get back to thinking before speaking Elvin and you will do just fine.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted January 11, 2007 06:30 PM |
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You're taking it wayyy to serious, Istari..
However I'm curious how you'd judge me knowing that I love evil and chaotic-evil factions and characters ^_^
Oh, by the way: Lawful Good never was the ultimate good in D&D. the "most pure" good was neutral good. Lawful good ain't really flawless, too bad that most players never realized it and it's a common belief nowadays that Lawful Good is the "best" good nature.
That's wrong.
Lawful good is often associated with zeal, fanatism and "obeing laws for whatever cost". Think about it.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 11, 2007 07:12 PM |
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@Istari
Did you really think I was serious? Or that my comments on Doomforge were serious for that matter? After all I have already told you that I lean towards lawful good, remember? Though I'd still say I'm NG
Nevermind, the hypocrite was used in a non-serious way, commenting on your having fun with evil factions while being a soldier of light Just a joke.
No I do not believe LG alignment is ignorant, nor hypocrite though a person can be. A person just matches an alignment more than the others which doesn't in itself mean he is what the description says. So many layers within just one alignment...You probably already know that. My only problem with LG is my belief that certain laws should be broken if there is a good (or greater if you prefer) purpose. Not all laws can be fair in all situations as they are made by humans. Even the one who makes a law will see that he would rather handle a situation in a different way than his law dictates sometimes if he wishes to be fair.
Values and principles serve us well and should be our inspiration and guidance. But they can be limiting as well in some cases. Think of the old spell sacrifice. Would you do it if you could in real life? I would not. In heroes? Heck yeah! Or armageddon for that matter. Doomforge knows how to have fun with things that probably don't comply with his real life. That's what roleplaying is about, acting, thinking and feeling as another man would. Not very easy at times(though we have the beginnings of most feelings inside) but it can have merit. I didn't say which is a higher view but that embracing other philosophies for a game's sake can be for the best at times.
Finally I thank you of your opinion about my comments but I'm a bit disappointed you misunderstood me that much and bashed me
Friends?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 11, 2007 07:35 PM |
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Oh, by the way: Lawful Good never was the ultimate good in D&D. the "most pure" good was neutral good. Lawful good ain't really flawless, too bad that most players never realized it and it's a common belief nowadays that Lawful Good is the "best" good nature.
That's wrong.
Lawful good is often associated with zeal, fanatism and "obeing laws for whatever cost". Think about it.
I'm almost sure that LG was the best good alignment in the beginning of D&D as CE was the worst. Can't remember where I read that however.
If someone was truly LG and his master gave him an order, this order could conflict with his morality or perception of good. However one could be anywhere between 75(?)-100 in good/lawful so his actions could vary. Even me with my specific character may respond to the same situation in a different manner sometimes. Plus I believe there is more to a character than a D&D alignment can show.
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Istari
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Truth Teller, ToH
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posted January 11, 2007 09:02 PM |
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@Elvin- of course we can be friends. And I agree that different people can express the same alignment differently. For example, I try to do good, and most of the time I follow the law, however when the law is not good, I choose good and not the law. So although I am not always 100% lawful, I am still much more lawful than neutral or chaotic.
Let me clarify my tone. This is a game which involves role-playing and I do not take it seriously. I use a seroius tone and serious language because it makes the conversation more interesting. Think of most of my posts as being from my character, not myself. This isn't much of a stretch as I prefer to role-play a character similar to myself, but my character does not see this as a game and takes it seriously, I do not. Sorry for the inevitable confusion.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 11, 2007 09:28 PM |
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Last time someone tried to make the conversation more interesting he tried to anger me to see how it was like. Let me tell you he was seriously told off!
I had guessed as much for your roleplaying but I didn't think you'd reply in a way you don't feel yourself. I'll keep that in mind
YOU keep in mind I'll reply to your char from now on and he just got himself in my blacklist! No sense of humour he has!
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Istari
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Truth Teller, ToH
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posted January 11, 2007 10:22 PM |
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Edited by Istari at 01:49, 12 Jan 2007.
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Yeah, knights aren't really known for their sense of humour. Although you should know that didn't say what I did just to try to make you angry. I mean what I say, my character just uses a more serious tone than I really would.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 12, 2007 02:25 AM |
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That's ok I understand your character a bit better now!
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FreshHope
Adventuring Hero
Defender of Light
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posted January 12, 2007 06:27 PM |
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Ha i must have missed this thread for a while. Even though i'm chaotic good in nature, i'm biased against the necro race too, thanks to the campaigns The bias against developed in both the sylvan and academy campaigns, when it surfaces as 'cheap' and i shall not post further spoilers here 
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Zehir
Best Player
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posted April 04, 2012 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Zehir at 18:07, 05 Apr 2012.
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Inferno. With gating, there is so many units on the field. I like big armies. Pure joy.
you have to wait till the gating appears which requires 50% A.T.B so its is worse than you think
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gnomes2169
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Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted April 05, 2012 12:08 AM |
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I love inferno. to be honest. Their faction has one creature which I don't really use except as a meat shield (horned demons), so I find this faction to be enjoyable.
+ gating in 90% more army instantly is rather fun in late game... (A very useful ultimate indeed...)
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted April 05, 2012 12:13 AM |
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Yep horned demons of H5 are like the zombies of Heroes II but in the rest I love the Inferno.
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Zehir
Best Player
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posted April 05, 2012 04:55 AM |
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I love inferno. to be honest. Their faction has one creature which I don't really use except as a meat shield (horned demons), so I find this faction to be enjoyable.
+ gating in 90% more army instantly is rather fun in late game... (A very useful ultimate indeed...)
the main thing without pendant of mastery they can't do the gating of their tier7 creature(Devils) which is the most required.
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted April 05, 2012 05:11 AM |
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You don't need the pendant though, Devils are nice to gate, don't get me wrong, but they are not necessary. Beside the Horned Demons, Devils are my least used creature in the end-game mostly because I don't usually have enough of them to do anything big or important in a final battle. For me, they are really just a backup insurance plan, in case I want some Pit Lords.
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Zehir
Best Player
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posted April 05, 2012 07:36 AM |
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You don't need the pendant though, Devils are nice to gate, don't get me wrong, but they are not necessary. Beside the Horned Demons, Devils are my least used creature in the end-game mostly because I don't usually have enough of them to do anything big or important in a final battle. For me, they are really just a backup insurance plan, in case I want some Pit Lords.
you think Pit lords are great in final battle they have wide range of damage ,less initiative, less speed and you know what all tier 6 creatures are much better than Pit lord because they have average or good speed and initiative except Ancient treant. And in Homm5 ToE horned
grunt is also better than pit lord,but pit spawn is little bit better.
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gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted April 05, 2012 05:48 PM |
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W/ the Arch Devil's ability to summon Pit Lords, you don't really need to have them in your army. And Pit Spawn are one of those nasty creatures that you need rather allot to overwhelm. Sure their initiative is low, but their speed is high, they have busloads of health, damage, attack and defense and they have rather good magic resistance. They also have the Blade of Slaughter, which does exactly what the name says, and is great against a swarm faction like Necro. I always, always choose to use the Pit Spawn.
I also tend to use Grok, so I usually have no trouble with reaching the enemy.
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fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 06, 2012 01:33 AM |
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I'm not sure what's so great with the archdevil. his ability is usually useless and when you can finally use them, not only the archdevil loses a turn, but the summonned pit lords take ages to act. I'm not sure it's worth the extra defense of the archdemon.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted April 06, 2012 01:42 AM |
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Edited by SKPRIMUS at 01:45, 06 Apr 2012.
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Archdevil summon pit lord ability plus 1 more movement is better than archdemon teleport other & 1 less movement. Gating implies a battle that will last some turns (the more the better), those pit lords can be a good stack to use against lvl 6/7/phoenix or fireball/vulnerability, and demonlords very frequently should have power of speed anyway.
Not my favourite, but I found inferno can be fun for long game with both light & dark magic
& Zehir did the thing I should have done on first joining -> have no yellow stars
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