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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: Wyngaal = banned
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 10:33 AM
Edited by sq79 at 10:36, 01 Feb 2007.

Wyngaal = banned ?

Just had a game of ossir versus wyngaal with Al Killmore yesterday.. Was trying to check out how crazy he is after i had game with betruger using wyngaal. Being on the opposite side, i now know how it feels to fight wyngaal
hehe now i feel somehow wyngaal is overpowering and should be banned... When his emarald dragons get 2 turns before ossir's emarald dragons with morale..with both heroes no ring of speed/staff of netherworld it leads me to believe that the initiative increment is more than 2% / level
And interesting thing is ... after ossir cast mass haste(Of course... the game is already lost ), i still don't see much changes in atb bar.

P.S : I'm not aruging about a loss or anything
But i was wondering if this hero should be banned after all ?



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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted February 01, 2007 11:34 AM
Edited by Aculias at 11:42, 01 Feb 2007.

BAN BAN BAN!!!
I bet Trapper will reply below me.
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Valentin
Valentin


Adventuring Hero
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posted February 01, 2007 11:40 AM
Edited by Valentin at 11:50, 01 Feb 2007.

I agree with SQ79   Wangaal is too strong.

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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 11:40 AM

Both plaers decide rules for game.

Btw you know SQ97 i like you much ....but after give us team points its alot more

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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted February 01, 2007 11:42 AM

I was right.
Trapper did reply below me
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 11:46 AM
Edited by sq79 at 11:47, 01 Feb 2007.

Quote:
Both plaers decide rules for game.

Btw you know SQ97 i like you much ....but after give us team points its alot more


Hehe, its sq79!!! Don't make me out to be so young
That game was diasater, lost entire army in week3 but i accepted the matchup.. i was interested to see how sylvan versus sylvan wyngaal would fare in initiative.. but its horrible initiative for wyngaal again
He is not unbeatable.. but 2% or more is just way too much

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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted February 01, 2007 11:48 AM

Arguing?
You cried about a loss SQ79.
SQ79 = ban.
problems = banishment .

BAN BAN BAN!!!
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 11:49 AM

Quote:
Arguing?
You cried about a loss SQ79.
SQ79 = ban.
problems = banishment .

BAN BAN BAN!!!


Hey start playing, stop talking

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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 11:55 AM

I dont like bans....Wyngaal is so strong YES. I will not accept some 1 to start vs me with him....but if he get Wyngaal from taver he can use him and make main hero...or i can use him with other race too.

Rules depend ONLY from both plaers. Cant accept any other.

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 01, 2007 11:57 AM

Quote:
I dont like bans....Wyngaal is so strong YES. I will not accept some 1 to start vs me with him....but if he get Wyngaal from taver he can use him and make main hero...or i can use him with other race too.

Rules depend ONLY from both plaers. Cant accept any other.


Yes.. i agree.. if get from tavern, just too bad its luck.. but no more choosing him i guess

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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 01, 2007 12:10 PM

i agree with random hero when set up the game. for all races.
luck is a game factor so if it's meant to happen, so be it, besides its part of the fun.



have a nice day

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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted February 01, 2007 01:00 PM

Seems ban or not is optional rules, depending on map.

Seems he rules ON BFH, but on Peninsula he can only add some chanses Sylvan to win.


I remeber situation, when play warlords vs cycleguy on BFH. Both have sylvan.

And not have Wingaal at 1-st turn. So agrree ban him later.

Seems we strongly need change his bonus to 0.5-1% on ATB.

Also i wander what we have in 2.01 description of his ability???


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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted February 01, 2007 05:44 PM

well, depends is a great answer to it

i guess vs a stronger player, ban is the way to go
would be fair fcorse if otherside gets one hero banned as well
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Betruger
Betruger


Known Hero
empowered mind
posted February 01, 2007 06:16 PM

Ghast is right, it depends on a map, but on maps where you get to level ~20 before meeting opponenet Wyngaal is unbeatable.

Quote:

And interesting thing is ... after ossir cast mass haste(Of course... the game is already lost ), i still don't see much changes in atb bar.



That's obviously because he doesn't change the initiative in general, but only alteres the position at the ATB bar in the first round.

And sadly it's still not fixed in 2.1, the description says 0.5% per level, while testing shows he gives 2% per level.
Not cool.

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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted February 01, 2007 06:41 PM

as long as the rules are mutually accepted by both sides it fine...
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 06, 2007 12:27 PM

I have here some screenshots of sylvan versus haven in hourglass at 2.0 version, one was using ossir, one was wyngaal.


Game was over and player typed "gg" when it was haven's first troop turn. I feel really sorry in this game.I don't see any tactics or skills needed.. He strikes so fast and so hard its hard to recover.
The only losses were from the retaliation from the haven troops.
Final battle only took 1 min to be ended. No thinking was needed


So much difference as you can see in this battle ... much more losses.

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted February 06, 2007 02:25 PM

hahaha  that top screen shot was vs. me... I was the LOSER that game.    Many of my losses lately have to to situations exactly like that.

BTW SQ79 where is my rematch?? Banzai!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted February 06, 2007 04:33 PM
Edited by insatiable at 16:34, 06 Feb 2007.

looks as if we got our first 'official' ban rule!


HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN?



I only see a litel problem to this.
In case one plays sylvan ,and players go random heroes, if sylvan gets 'unlucky' to have Him as starting hero, then he has no choice but to pick 2nd hero in tavern as main, or spend mony to buy more.

As i see it, if He gets banned, who plays against sylvan, must get one strong hero banned as well
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 06, 2007 05:14 PM
Edited by sq79 at 17:15, 06 Feb 2007.

I normally would request for a restart if he is banned and starts as main hero or 2nd hero in tavern. Either way is fine anyway..
Its just some skill slots are occupied by undesirable heroes. For sylvan, vinrael, ylthin, ossir are fine for me as well. And the rest are average except dirael,just don't understand why she starts with summoning

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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted February 10, 2007 06:14 AM

He-he seems if someone gain "bannedHero" at day 1, then he can demand restart with same rases and taken any desirable hero (Ossir or Gilraen fro example) while opponent have random
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