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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: I don't understand... but anyways.
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted February 04, 2007 09:10 PM

I don't understand... but anyways.

I'm out of email range for the next 3 days, and out of nowhere i get a flood of dispute emails lol.  

This is the only time I've been out of email range since homm5 ToH started, and this is the only time I've had disputes emails come in with such ferocity.

Well sorry buddies but I can't do anything about it right now hahahaaa.
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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted February 04, 2007 10:00 PM

I Think

I think that Part of this is to "blame" on clans tourny , Like i feared many people take the games more seriously now when playing i guess competition wise is better but it has many faults like we all see .


Part of me didn't want these tournies to start , now i'm sure i prefer it how it was before but thats life for ya gotta take the good with the bad.
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted February 04, 2007 10:12 PM

two additional comments:

Yes, I do read the comments written on the clans win/loss reports

ALL of the disputes are based on making rules, that are being broken, or misunderstood, or being applied incorrectly.  If you guys played like I do -- demanding all random, no picking hero, no restart rules bs... we wouldn't have to worry about these disputes.
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 04, 2007 11:02 PM

I just have a clan game with fraudatio yesterday..
Agreed on map dead man's lake since we both played several times there
We both automatically take necro random for him and academy random for me both without choosing hero.
We both have record of hero losing large numbers of troops in middle of previous games, and have trust to each other.
Finished game in 3 hours..
Win or loss, i feel fair and good in such a game
Really hope games like this more often

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jorko80
jorko80


Adventuring Hero
posted February 05, 2007 09:45 AM

There are just people you can trust and others who can't be trusted or you don't know. So playing with those you can trust is really good. About the all random thing,I can't agree , it has just too much luck as a factor, so it's not for me. I did it only once and ofcourse I happened to be with the only faction I hate, I just don't have luck with those random startings so no thanks!
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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 09:57 AM
Edited by Elit at 11:36, 05 Feb 2007.

All random is for ppl who know they have no chance vs other player and want to use theirs luck to get advantage. This is strategy game. When ppl choice race/hero they have some idea/plan. If you want to play all random go to play Dota.

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TowerLord
TowerLord


Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
posted February 05, 2007 11:55 AM

playing random means strength not weakness ... it means you master all the towns, and you beleive you can improvise something, even if you get the worst match out ! i must admit i wasn't a big fan of random games, because i don't master all the races equally , but i understand that playing random means power, and on the long run you'll be a better player by doing this. in the end (100+ games) you will get favoured odds of winning 50% of the times and 50% against you odds or something very close to that.
and when you turn the odds in your favor, your win will be even more satisfying !
also there is another thing, playing random gives you the opportunity to test new strategies, play more creative , use your brains more , and the previous experience less. Of course you will lose some games for a while, but in the end you'll gain much more knowledge!

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jorko80
jorko80


Adventuring Hero
posted February 05, 2007 12:08 PM

Well,you are correct for some of the things. But as I said it's just luck.
I can play every race,I have a favorite ofcourse but can play good all of them. The luck thing is about the random heroes. They are just not well balanced.Every race has it's strenghts and weaknesses and I like that,but it's not the same about the heroes. And no matter how much brains you put in a game, if the other player gets the better hero he'll win if he is not a noob.
So when Nival buffs the weaker heroes(not nerf the stronger),I'll play random. Every hero should have a strong point somewhere and as you said we'll use our brains to find it, but for now some heroes are just much much better then others.
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TowerLord
TowerLord


Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
posted February 05, 2007 12:16 PM

you get at least 3 heroes of your race in the first 2 days ... i think that is enough for you to choose an "at least" decent one. there are some cool heroes, some average heroes and some weak ones, but except wyngaal , i can't find another one that gives a game deciding advantage over his mates.
anyway there are at most 2 weak heroes / race , so by getting 3 heroes in the first 2 days you have 100% chances that you get at least a decent one

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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted February 05, 2007 01:09 PM

Quote:
playing random means strength not weakness ... it means you master all the towns, and you beleive you can improvise something, even if you get the worst match out ! i must admit i wasn't a big fan of random games, because i don't master all the races equally , but i understand that playing random means power, and on the long run you'll be a better player by doing this. in the end (100+ games) you will get favoured odds of winning 50% of the times and 50% against you odds or something very close to that.
and when you turn the odds in your favor, your win will be even more satisfying !
also there is another thing, playing random gives you the opportunity to test new strategies, play more creative , use your brains more , and the previous experience less. Of course you will lose some games for a while, but in the end you'll gain much more knowledge!


Very well said man!! Indeed knowledge and experience is everything.Fun comes after a little bit of understanding, U NEED TO LOOSE FOR HAVING A WIN, isnt this like in real life?
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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 01:10 PM
Edited by Elit at 13:19, 05 Feb 2007.

You dont have an idea for what you are talking about.
1. To learn all races you need to play them 1 by 1 minimum 10-15 games befor move to next race. After it you will have basic knoledge for this race.
2. Like hmm3 here we have races who can be good but be less efective vs some other. No point luck to decide this.
3. In hmm3 all hero is 2500gold. Here price is up after each new buy. You can use for main hero only from your race. So you need too waste alot gold for finding decent hero.

If you think i'm not right just play all random vs someone who chooses race/hero and then get your experience and hf

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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted February 05, 2007 01:25 PM

Elit, nobody said u'll do that instead man. You need experience, many games, this is what heroes is...no matter h3, or h5...my opinion.
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 03:00 PM

Hehe, luck is crucial in this game... if not they wouldn't be a skill called luck.
In a even game of same stats and event both heroes with luck = 5, player one has luck triggered 8 out of 10 times while player 2 only 3 out of 10 times and lost the game.. that is also luck.
Or situation where sylvan versus sylvan, player1 start with wyngaal,ossir and ylthin = luck with heroes, while another player has gilarean, dirael and anwen, but player 2 turn game around completely with ring of speed and staff of netherworld found as artifacts.
I somehow believe when there is unlucky in one place, there should be luck in another part. Of course, things can be one sided unlucky all the way. Then too bad
I have been playing almost sylvan in all my toh games, and used to dislike academy losing 15 out of 15 with them. But being forced to do random, somehow i'm forced to learn the race and have started to like them


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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 05, 2007 03:03 PM
Edited by the_teacher at 15:08, 05 Feb 2007.

luck its part of the game and one thing u could more often blame it on. so it's a good shelter to hide your weakness, beside its fun sometimes cause it might help u aswell. otherwise u could play chess.

luck and randomness make the maps in h4( where was no RMG) the best sellers, players are looking for some unexpected things in game, most of them at least. i really dont understand the stubborness to play one map mastered in 50games on it, or one hero "cause its sure victory" it proves lack of imagination and it appears like a poetry learned by heart.

its same as a ballet dancer who can easily reproduces the kungfu moves, even some katas, successful for nonspecialists, but when it comes about impact....there is nothing to do with the real thing.

same as a mute making playback...

anyway its everybody call how to play and who to play with, but i agree that progress means new situations that u are forced to handle, even with the risk of few points.

personally, i have random heroes rule, with only one exception, no wingaal allowed, cause it proves to be ridiculous.

btw, even ellaine is good




have a nice day

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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 05, 2007 03:04 PM

one more thing, justice is good, unfounded whines are really unhealthy

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 03:08 PM

I can't imagine situation where i have to face a level 28 wyngaal in hourglass nowadays
But if wyngaal = banned, player should be given option to restart till he is not available in tavern or start as main hero.

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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted February 05, 2007 03:13 PM

Quote:
I can't imagine situation where i have to face a level 28 wyngaal in hourglass nowadays
But if wyngaal = banned, player should be given option to restart till he is not available in tavern or start as main hero.


I didnt know about such rule yet sq....In fact is this a rule i dont know..? No offence
I remember Lord told me he was beaten by academy, when played wyngaal...not once , but twice
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Valentin
Valentin


Adventuring Hero
grr
posted February 05, 2007 03:15 PM

If you want all random - play warlors, it is not a problem. If you want random hero, ask the oponent for that. Sometimes I agree my oponent to be random hero, and I choose some not strong hero. But alot of players like to build strategy with heroes, it is a part of the fun.  

I like to choose a hero for 5 or 10 games, to learn how he is growing, think about different tactics, etc.

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 03:21 PM

Quote:
Quote:
I can't imagine situation where i have to face a level 28 wyngaal in hourglass nowadays
But if wyngaal = banned, player should be given option to restart till he is not available in tavern or start as main hero.


I didnt know about such rule yet sq....In fact is this a rule i dont know..? No offence
I remember Lord told me he was beaten by academy, when played wyngaal...not once , but twice


Yes, cycleguy show me screenshot on atb bar for that game.
It seems cycleguy has ring of speed,staff of netherworld as artifacts but how many times do u get all of them ?
And map is hourglass. Our addict has 40+ games there

I have situation wyngaal win in hourglass with zero losses before.. because opponent never got chance to move or reliate. He clear stacks every move of the dragons

Haha for the rule, its something i feel fair if a town's hero is banned, that leaves him with only 3 other more useable heroes for sylvan.

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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 05, 2007 03:31 PM

Luck is part from game but tactics is part from skill.

Stop spam Vesuvius with your "smal problems". Both plaers can make his rules. If you think someone play "dirty" dont play wiht him more. Just play and hf.




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