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Valandil
Valandil

Tavern Dweller
posted February 07, 2007 01:10 PM

HOM III REVIVAL

Hello everyone,

I made this post already, but im afraid it might not be seen so ill try and post it as a topic. So ill just paste it here (it has few gramma errors dont mind me please).

Heres paste:


You have my support Motor and i didnt doubth that few years will hurt your sence of humor and wisdom Morgan. Just for you new people, HOMM 3 is a mother - everything else will stay in dust. Theres still thousands of us that would play HOMM 3 any given day. ANY GIVEN DAY!! You ppl who started tournaments should have known better. Truth, you did a great job - put a lot of effort in it. Toh started it all. Got famous - got a damn TRADITION. And what do you have now Vesuvius ? You guys cut us all overnite - thousands of members. And whoever said earlier in one of the posts - lets leave beat horse to die - you dont know what you saying. By the way, how come that all of us people never had a single chance to influence any of decisions you guys that hold tournaments made concerning HOMM 3. I tought you'll never give it up Vesuvius i had a great respect for you, been looking at tournies that came to life after Toh - they've all let go after a while for different reasons (read excuses) imaturity id say. We dont know each other Ves, its not needed but what matters (to me) is that i believe im one of thousands of HOMM 3 fans around the GLOBE that have no place to go and play a solid WORLD famous HOMM 3 tournie no more. Thats whats killed. HOMM 3 is a unique world inside the world we live in, and HOMM 5 is yet to be proven. Personaly i dont believe that HOMM 5 will ever get there. I'd say in whoever created HOMM 5 was more than 1 different perspectives on a game itself, in one you can see that someone understood the heart of the game and on the other hand there was need for "improvement" of the game. That other hand dont simply get it - it needs no improvement. And company rushed in releasing the game and all that. Even if you have all you need like (im trying not to laugh) patches that make you game work online to start with, still that game is missing a core that HOMM 3 had. I never met you never spoken a word with you but i bet you know exactly what i mean Ves. Earlier i left a post somewhere, was mad seeing all this "excitement" over and over again. But you ppl suffer realy, i admire your ppl will power to overcome the issues, play again hope for better tomorrow. Truly graphics are beautyfull, navigating screens systems are awesome game all in all visualy is AWESOME, but other than that...? I like some new little tricks they have put in and some things they cut out (just some), but than again game is so short on many details that HOMM 3 had, that have been making this game best game ever and with whis kind of slow progress in fixing it i odubth that they will ever make it happent. I might be mistaken but why not keep HOMM 3 and HOMM 5 running together ? And why those calls like "last final season of HOMM 3" ? Where does that come from ? I bet anyone if HOMM 3 would be run again ppl would gather quickly and keep playing it. So why not keep ppl happy give them both of games ? Is that such a big and impossible thing? I mean turn around ppl HOMM 3 is our game - its a heart of our HOMM world. Im sorry to say but HOMM 5 is not an intelectual match for HOMM 3 - period. Thanx for your time reading this post all and have a nice day.

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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 07, 2007 02:07 PM

homm 3 :
"The list of rules contains:

A. No Rules
B. Standard Rules: Must FMG, No Red Rush, No Hit and Run, No DD/Fly, No Grail, No Carto, No Hill fort, No Double Built, No Prison Hero.
C. Diplomacy Rules: No Diplomacy, No Joiners
D. Town Rules: No Conflux Town, No Necromancy Town
E. Skill Rules: No Necromancy Skill, No Level 4 Hero, No Native Logistics, No BORN Logistics, No Mullich
F. Extra-Troops Rules: No Dwellings, No Griffin Conservatory, No Hive, No Refugee Camp
G. Spell Rules: No Red Orb, No Implosion, No Armageddon, No Scrolls 3-4-5, no DD, no TP
.... "

what is left from the game?


homm5
A. no wingaal


judge for yourself...

apart of the romantic fragrance, all of us being younger when h3 stroke, there is no comparison between titles.

the problem is IF H3 would ve been better, which is not the case here, i would understand those who are stuck with it, but i think its all about the people laziness to learn some more or incapability or lack of time to disect new strategies. those "graphic and camera rotation" explanation as an excuse that h5 is not that appealing as h3 , is just a lame excuse, sorry to say that.
we all loved h3, but the time to move on came since h4 has been released.

so u're invited to join h5 clans

have a nice day






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Valandil
Valandil

Tavern Dweller
posted February 07, 2007 03:09 PM

The fact that you literaly copy/pasted "rules" from a posting made just recently by some person who has its own idea on HOMM 3 doesnt make you legitimate verbal oponnent (since it looks like thats what you look for here). By the way im stating my opinion based on facts and your tone is rather rude and trust me im tired of people who think that internet is giving them a chance to be who they dont have a chance to be in a life around them. So before you continue your idea of insulting me personaly, please do me a favor and include some intelect othervise il have to ignore you. For the sake of argument ill pull just a few facts that separates homm 3 and homm 5 (theres too many but ill recall a few as i played homm3 while ago last time and gave a test run to homm 5 through all of its campaigns and some online matches). To start with a technical part on the game (ill make it short as it is not my main point) since the day one homm 5 had many issues and still has on stability of the game (crashes/desync). All the time you are forced by the company who made the game to wait for another patch that will do the trick. For me personaly thats a big drag to start with. Theres only one way to get a multiplayer game done online - ubi net and i guess we have to wait for i dont know how long to get that patch too so it can be done differently? meaning - it is NOT convenient at ALL. It might be me but homm 5 is trying to generaly copy homm 3 and for some reason it doenst work smoothly, not even close. For example: theres is a patch now for some time that actualy allows you to create a map? And talking map, it might be me but i go and run on those "big" maps and why is it that i get a feeling that i cross that "big" map in no time? Random generator still works "funky" doesnt it but than again we will get another patch..and so on. So one day we will have in that part what homm 3 already has - smooth working multiway of getting online match game that has smooth map generator and random generator ( not to say with tradition that came out of ppl making maps that been tested through years + templates for random maps). So okay on technical part on maps i guess in another what? a year ? we will have in homm 5 whats done in homm 3 in general years ago right? And thats under assumption it will not be more than less complicated to actualy create a homm 5 map than it already is. Dont forget we need a game that will be steady 100 % so we dont have to get frustrated no more.
 There is another technical issue why game will not reach popularity that homm 3 had. That is that homm 5 is asking for much more out of ppl machines than homm 3 did. Homm 3 you can play on virtualy anything and homm 5 is spendy machinewise for so many people. So for starters lets say years from now same number of ppl will be able to afford it as homm 3 players did moneywise and lets say that in those years all problems on games stability will be fixed. But thats starting with an "if" and if all goes well you get to the point where heroes 3 already was and is - ready to be played anytime. And when all this happents you will get to the point which was overcomed years ago wth homm 3, and if its about haveing fun and you brain getting stimulated playing the game - i personaly (and i see im not the only one) dont get more fun out of homm 5 - actualy i get less. Why i dont get more fun? Well homm 5 drives me that way that many things in game seems to be unfinished. In my opinion it takes much less skill to coordinate creating army with building structures, seems much easier so to speak. High level structures are reached much quicker for the fact they dont cost all that much. STill when you go on battlefield and fight, high lvl creatures give you tremendous amount of power like those in homm 3 did. Mid lvl creatures are given abilities that are i supose implemented to even out a battle in general but than again how long your average battle lasts for? Not to say mid lvl will not even out battle in so many cases.With all this zig zag abilities in battle id say your average battle lasts for far longer than it was in homm 3. And okay thanx to visuals its cool to watch all that but in practical terms for me it melows down the game. It was hard enough to stay focused and sharp in homm 3 thanx to long turns and now in homm 5 it just takes too long. In my opinion this game is like a chess if not harder and keeping things simple can only help it. In my opinion HOMM was pushed on commplexity far enough in sod, meaning its mathematics that wins the game not graphics. It was given so many options that it was hard to keep track of everything and stay sharp, meaning you pull out an optimum out of the game and when you finish the game you dont regret nothing even if you loose. As i mentione above map sizes are too small too. Not all of us like to rush in game and i think that the biggest size map doesnt give you a chance to deliver superpower armys. Put that together with what i said on high lvl creatures (how you build them quickly and get a lot of power) than you are in for basicaly a massacre point in game, and that is different too. You can say its a matter of taste but for me that kills the real chance to gain your time in developing and battle in a way that i dont get that feeling no more that im "in a zone" of slamming a hammer right on a nailhead as i go and play. Now you can call me whatever but i played all campaigns than played ppl online and lost and won so i went through whats there and still theres no that feeling when you come on a field to battle with someone that you know did everything possible like you did and you are in for a good fight eather you win or lose. I know, it sounds like im not ready to learn something new but as i said i went through it with other ppl in game and the way creatures and towns are made it just dont deliver same amount of intelectual challenge when everything comes together.
By the way why cut off homm 3?

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Valentin
Valentin


Adventuring Hero
grr
posted February 07, 2007 03:42 PM

..

Stop living in the past Valandil. Heroes III is the second greatest game. The first is Heroes V.

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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 07, 2007 03:45 PM
Edited by the_teacher at 15:46, 07 Feb 2007.

i had the patience, angelic one, to try to read your lines and "arguments" but when it came about campaignes, i realized it's not worthy going on . judging after your exhausting quantity of message where u are trying to find a logical thread , but, of course, failed lamentable, it's obvious that you're just a sum of your neighbours opinions or a gathering of truncated quotes from forums.
anyway , everyone of us is entitled to have his own hobby, obsession, fetish, desire to argue, etc etc, and i won't be your partner for such a personal challenge.

one more advice, dont use that "internet shelter personality disguise" cause it's just a reflection of your own thoughts, and you'll embarrass yourself, since u open a discussion, post in 3 places like it was the ultimate message, a divine thing, of course reading yourself for several times to enjoy seeing such "masterpiece" coming outta your great intellect. i cared to demonstrate you, in few words ,not spammin the whole comunnity, the obvious differences, and even invite u to make a step forward, but i guess you're not suitable for such a great "challenge"

wish u good luck

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted February 07, 2007 05:51 PM
Edited by angelito at 17:53, 07 Feb 2007.

Quote:
Stop living in the past Valandil. Heroes III is the second greatest game. The first is Heroes V.
Yep. The number of games played, the number of games sold, all these things underline your opinion..

And teacher....it really starts to get boring.
Every game/sport has rules...be it football, monopoly, nascar...whatever. A game isn't better only because it has NO or few rules. And all these games are still played...no matter how old they are.
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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted February 07, 2007 06:07 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Stop living in the past Valandil. Heroes III is the second greatest game. The first is Heroes V.
Yep. The number of games played, the number of games sold, all these things underline your opinion..

And teacher....it really starts to get boring.
Every game/sport has rules...be it football, monopoly, nascar...whatever. A game isn't better only because it has NO or few rules. And all these games are still played...no matter how old they are.


what's boring angelito? the "similarity" between monopoly and football and nascar which makes possible a "real" comparison? maybe , yes.

no, a game is not better if it has many rules. nobody said that. but in your anglic/divine intervention you make a confusion between rules and restrictions. with all the above , heroes 3 became a 1/10 of heroes 3 , this is what i pointed out, it's sad, and it's only because on imbalance and cripple a good game. i compared two titles of same series/field/type , like bjorn borg with agassi, not some apples with cars.
besides, i didnt have time to explain in the depths the advantages/disadvantages of each game (maybe because i dont want to take the chances to be beyond someone's comprehension), i just invited him to progress to experiment something new, not nocive i guess, and u intervened with a wrong introduction. its understandable if hes one of your disciples, if not, ur intrusion completelly insubstantial.

take a seat and relax

and have a nice day

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted February 07, 2007 06:32 PM

Seems u just don't get the point. But it also seems the majority of all H3 players (and others of coruse) don't understand your so called "depth" of H5, otherwise it would have a better reputation I guess.
And what I find boring is, u imply every H3 game has ALL YOUR MENTIONED RULES. And this is just plain wrong. All these rules are optional. And I know pretty well, H5 players make more rules than just "No Wingaal".
Developers of H5 made the same fault as they did with H4. And all statistics show that. Of course the handfull of H4 / H5 players don't wanna see that. But that's ok for me...u have to stick to what u like. There will be many players who think "Tetris" or "Pong" is the best game ever and has more tactical and strategical depth than chess has. Just don't expect chessplayers to agree with that though..
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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted February 07, 2007 06:45 PM

If ppl want to play hmm3 lets open turnament and play. Noting wrong here.

Valentin: hmm5 is far away from hmm3 level atm. For example hmm5 have so less spels,arts. I'm sure Nival will improve hmm5 and game will be great

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midnight
midnight


Promising
Famous Hero
posted February 07, 2007 06:47 PM

Quote:

homm5
A. no wingaal



i'll bet a whole wad of cash in 12 months there will be a whole lot more rules.
An easy pick is No Cartographer on randoms. Next easiest is no Hill Fort on randoms. The hillforts are not even guarded
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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted February 07, 2007 07:02 PM

very true

part of the rules relate only to random maps which unfotently the rmg just don't make good enough maps yet.. so i bet some rules will be added..
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fraudatio
fraudatio


Famous Hero
posted February 07, 2007 07:56 PM

my few cents

The reason H5 doesn`t sell as well as H3 did is because the community has grown older, someone lose interest in playing (would you believe it?) and in these WoW times there are obviously less recruitment to Heroes. That doesn`t say too much about the quality of the game I think.

In my book Heroes 5 is a far better multiplayergame that H3 was, I dont play singleplayer H5 so I wont comment on that. And dont get me wrong, i loved H3, played it for years, but H5 has (as you should expect) developed from the great H3 and turned into an even better game.

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted February 07, 2007 08:05 PM

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If ppl want to play hmm3 lets open turnament and play. Noting wrong here...
There are already 2 Heroes3 tournaments running.
LRH
WCL

Just look up how many players registered and how many games have already been played in that short time...
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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted February 07, 2007 08:09 PM

If i could get a decent system to run H5 properly i guess i would jump in the H5 bandwagon imediately.
H3 was great, but with every new computer component i put in my machine its becoming more and more thing of the past

Long live H5!
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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted February 08, 2007 01:05 AM

OOOhh, my God...have you seen that site??
http://www.lrh.ro/ro/Clasament/profil.php
It's the best mates....the best....
I wanna play H3 now...realy!!!
And its romanian....
Will we have something like this....here?
I would help....
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morgan_le_fey
morgan_le_fey


Famous Hero
posted February 08, 2007 04:43 AM

Rules are necessary in any game. Sometimes the fun of making up a good rule to give myself an advantage was more fun than beefing up tazzy for the endgame. But i also had to take care that my opponents rules didnt get me killed. Negotiation.

Games are suppose to be fun. Games have rules. Therefore more rules means more fun.

Le Fey

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The_Gootch
The_Gootch


Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
posted February 08, 2007 04:46 AM

Good stuff

Valandil has a point in that H5 is much more machine intensive than H3 ever was.  I love big maps and these Too Big for You maps are just that;  they're too damn big for me.  

Other than that, H5 is a beautiful game not only in the graphics but in the gameplay as well.  I only hope that Ubisoft finds more inspiring scores for the upcoming expansions.

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it's obvious that you're just a sum of your neighbours opinions or a gathering of truncated quotes from forums


Impressive.  I guess that's why they call you 'The Teacher'.

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted February 08, 2007 10:41 AM

we have good maps around and they keep coming. No need for randoms
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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted February 08, 2007 12:34 PM

He-he

HMM3 vs HMM5 discusiion...

Yeah, seems 1 main HMM5 disadvantage is ATB system, which not so predictable as classical.

And bad interface.

Why no one scry, when hmm2 tournaments was closed?
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prometheus
prometheus


Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
posted February 09, 2007 09:50 AM

Rules sometimes take a long time to develop over thousands of MP games.  Some rules seem to arise from software limitations; an example: FMG, an offset to a limitation of the random map generator.  Other rules arise from user simplifications, to avoid the tedium of certain strategies or the overwhelming good luck of an opponent.  It can be a matter of acceptable risk.  Some prefer a game with equalized, sterile conditions that do not favor either side.  Some prefer more sport and colorful wild possibility in their game.  It comes down to taste.
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