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HodgePodge
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posted February 14, 2007 01:21 AM |
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I'd rather have Harpies, Medusae, Manticores and even Troglodytes more than five Dark Elf creatures in the same town. The Heroes 5 Dungeon concept reeks of uncreative indolence and just plain banality!
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted February 14, 2007 09:55 AM |
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I'm getting tired of that "uncreativity" whining. There's absolutely nothing creative in making a faction with lots of different creatures. I can open a mythology book or the "D&D Monster Manual" and just pick seven monster, put them together and call it a faction, but where's the creativity in that? Now, I'm not saying that HoMM 5 Dungeon is the most creative faction I have ever seen, but neither is HoMM 3 Dungeon, and the HoMM 5 line-up at least makes sense.
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GenieLord
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Legendary Hero
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posted February 16, 2007 05:11 PM |
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I'm getting tired of that "uncreativity" whining. There's absolutely nothing creative in making a faction with lots of different creatures. I can open a mythology book or the "D&D Monster Manual" and just pick seven monster, put them together and call it a faction, but where's the creativity in that? Now, I'm not saying that HoMM 5 Dungeon is the most creative faction I have ever seen, but neither is HoMM 3 Dungeon, and the HoMM 5 line-up at least makes sense.
I can see nothing creative about units like Scout, Assassin, Shadow Witch, Shadow Matriarch, Dark Rider, Blood Maiden and Blood Fury.
They all could be Humans, Demons, Elves, Wizards, Dwarves and even Undead!
They have pointy ears, revealing clothing and those things make them to Dark Elves?
And about the town: when it's overground, it looks so silly and it doesn't make any sence.
But when you think about it, Haven (Sky), Academy (Sky), Sylvan (Sky), Fortress (Snow) and Necropolis (Sky) look silly underground, so it doesn't matter.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 16, 2007 05:14 PM |
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The whole idea of underground castle is meh. Come on, there is no cavern HUGE enough to build such a pointy castle as necro has! It's not logical ;p
But it's fun too, so who cares. 
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted February 16, 2007 05:23 PM |
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I can see nothing creative about units like Scout, Assassin, Shadow Witch, Shadow Matriarch, Dark Rider, Blood Maiden and Blood Fury.
They all could be Humans, Demons, Elves, Wizards, Dwarves and even Undead!
They have pointy ears, revealing clothing and those things make them to Dark Elves?
And I can see nothing creative about Harpies, Medusae, Manticores and even Troglodytes 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted February 16, 2007 05:38 PM |
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I'm getting tired of that "uncreativity" whining. There's absolutely nothing creative in making a faction with lots of different creatures. I can open a mythology book or the "D&D Monster Manual" and just pick seven monster, put them together and call it a faction, but where's the creativity in that? Now, I'm not saying that HoMM 5 Dungeon is the most creative faction I have ever seen, but neither is HoMM 3 Dungeon, and the HoMM 5 line-up at least makes sense.
Great point. I agree 100 %.
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PhoenixReborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted February 16, 2007 05:50 PM |
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Come now, surely it isn't so bad as all that.
For me, the hydra makes a welcome return to the warlock faction. It was there in One as a good creature and in Two as a solid creature. In Three it was a stronger than before but in a different faction and weak for it's tier.
In Five the hydra may not be great for creeping (unless your stategy focuses solely on the hydra) but It's usually my last unit left after a big close battle. (who can get dragons anyway?)
Black Dragon is a given. By the way, I like how the griffin fits into the haven line up. They took it out of the warlock line up (well in Three I guess) but that's a change that works well.
Remaining creatures:
Shadow Matriarch fit with the 'mythology' (from the campaign) of the dungeon and her little sister blood fury is potent enough...for some reason I like her unit more than the harpy...and now you can stop in front of an enemy ranged.
The lizard isn't my favorite critter but it's no worse and makes no less sense than a trogolodyte or a beholder.
So to sum up looking at the whole of heroes series they've stayed pretty true to the roots...and what has been invented isn't wildly out of place as some have claimed.
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Shauku83
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 16, 2007 06:13 PM |
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I believe I have given my support to the Heroes 5 Dungeon in many threads, but never compared to H3 one actually.. But as Geny said, there really is not that great deal of creativity in a bunch of mythological creatures in the same faction.
Well. The H3 and H5 are quite different... Some like the idea of a variety of creatures, others like consistency in the line-up. I am a fan of the way faction are built in H5, so my vote goes accordingly. I liked Dungeon in H3 as well, but it is a different game. The same faction simply would not work in H5 world anymore.
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ZombieLord
Promising
Famous Hero
that wants your brainz...
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posted February 17, 2007 01:05 PM |
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I think ALL the factions in H5 are better designed
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Velocity
Hired Hero
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posted October 07, 2007 12:43 AM |
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Edited by Velocity at 00:46, 07 Oct 2007.
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Defianetly H3 Dungeon, just because I don't like this new Dark Elf theme and overall I don't like this new homogenic trend in H5 either.
The monsters were more varied. Now we have what 3-4 dark elves? But one thing I like which is those Blood furies much better than those old hags, never loved their design, so not everything has gone bad.
Okay I didn't like the manticores either, their design should have been tweaked a alot.
About the new dragons. Why they appear looking, how should I say... fat? I mean the whole design is somehow unfamiliar and messy when H3 dragons had this medieval and original dragon design, even the heads of new shadow/black dragons look somehow goofy.
Anyway I still linger towards H3 dungeon, better and more varied creatures. And there were more creatures as heroes (minotaurs, troglodytes) now we have just those dark elves...
Don't get confused, I'm tired. 
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fanheroes
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 07, 2007 07:39 AM |
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well,i vote for H5 Dungeon.
Both H3&H5 are good design,good line-up,but H5' style is more logical.When you mention H5 Dungeon, ahh,the "attack + spellpower" faction,so how about H3 
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Odish
Hired Hero
No longer a tavern dweller : )
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posted October 07, 2007 05:23 PM |
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Voted H5D. I can't really explain it but I like this town alot. one of my favourites after academy and necropolis.
I really didn't like H3D but I can't seem to point out why exactly either...
not completely related but, I absolutly LOVE the way the matriarchs do their slow catwalk when you move them. As if they have all the time in the world and not in the middle of a battle. LOL! when I first saw that I was like WTF for a few seconds then I started laughing. that is a classic!!!
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2007 05:53 PM |
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At first dungeon was called a dungeon coz it containd creatures that live in dungeons. Now We have more dark elf castle but its still called dungeon coz they live underground in homm world(unlike some other worlds).
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WarLore
Famous Hero
servant of urgash
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posted October 07, 2007 05:56 PM |
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well for my point,h5 dungeon is better,i think that beholders/evil eyes/harpies/medusas are better for neutral stack creatures.Hydras was warm welcome to dungeon,but they should be higher than matriach,tier 6
and medusas/harpies/minotaurs are not mutants,they are myths
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carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
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posted October 07, 2007 06:02 PM |
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Edited by carcity at 18:03, 07 Oct 2007.
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personally i prefer h3 because of that the minotaurs where cooler and of the beholders. + in heroes VI could someone please get back the beholders and evil eyes. they are so awesome.
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Orfinn
Supreme Hero
Werewolf Duke
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posted October 07, 2007 06:28 PM |
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Edited by Orfinn at 18:31, 07 Oct 2007.
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I'm getting tired of that "uncreativity" whining. There's absolutely nothing creative in making a faction with lots of different creatures. I can open a mythology book or the "D&D Monster Manual" and just pick seven monster, put them together and call it a faction, but where's the creativity in that? Now, I'm not saying that HoMM 5 Dungeon is the most creative faction I have ever seen, but neither is HoMM 3 Dungeon, and the HoMM 5 line-up at least makes sense.
Im joining the agmeement of your post too! 
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and evil eyes
Evil eyes sounds too silly, its like calling squires for Trashcans, of course the upg beholders are evil why make it so obvious by calling it Evil eye? No instead of evil eye: Beholder--> brainstormer / mindsweeper
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The Dark elves are not in the mythology
Oh really? *cough* What about norse mythology?
Dark Elves from norse myths
I like elves alot, but mostly dwarves since they are a shadow a ghost...no a memorial of my Viking forefathers, mead, ale, salty pork, bread, butter, bears, wolves, runes, going berserk because of fleinsopp (gives halluciating effects from a mushroom). The dwarves in H5 are in fact a creative design, cause of a fans proposal. Usually dwarves are stereotyped as mech freaks, shun magic..well at least the latter. But in H5 they use magic.
But back to dungeon. I løike H3 and H5 version equally. But a mixed lineup from both of them could really do the trick!
Dungeon for H6/Mod for H5
Race based
Tier 1: Dark elf scouts, assassins and stalkers
Tier 2: Troglodytes
Tier 3: Matriarchs
Tier 4: Dark raiders, riders etc
Tier 5: Minotaurs
Tier 6: Hydras
Tier 7: Shadows and Blackies
Theme based like H5 Academy
Tier 1: Troglodytes
Tier 2: Beholders
Tier 3: Harpies
Tier 4: Minotaurs
Tier 5: Hydras
Tier 6: Manticore
Tier 7: Shadows, Reds and Blacks
Or...we could do a theme and race mix, until now there have been theme and race based towns separate from eachothers
Mix
Tier 1: Beholders (in packs, shown by 3 or 4, like the necros ghosts)
Tier 2: Harpies
Tier 3: Dark elf scout etc
Tier 4: Dark riders and so on
Tier 5: Minotaurs
Tier 6: Hydras
Tier 7: Shadows, Reds and Blacks or something new, silver, gold and black. yeah black has to stay Always been the trademark for Dungeon and let it be the one with real blavk scales and 300 HP, but I like the design, anatomy of the H5 version
The fact that I excluded Medusa here are in fact that they fit alot more in a swamp based town with reptiles, nagas, lizards etc
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted October 08, 2007 12:11 PM |
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Edited by kermit at 12:11, 08 Oct 2007.
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Dungeon had hydras/minotaurs/medusas/harpies from ancient greek mythology. Making it a dark elf town riding lizards wasn't the greatest idea ever. Dungeon is about creatures found in mazes and other treasure guardians like dragons. The warlock is some lonely wizard living in a tower that seeks no contact with the rest of the world, he breeds monsters and creates magical mazes only to ward off intruders.
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Nirual
Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
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posted October 08, 2007 12:37 PM |
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I prefer a strong theme behind a faction. H3 Dungeon just seemed to be mythological monsters thrown together to me.
In fact, most of the factions seemed to be based on a particular mythology, rather than forming a race with allies.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 08, 2007 03:33 PM |
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I would also like an mix with H3-H5 dungeon because i hate factions with like 6 elves and one dragon etc.
My line up with alternate upgrades:
1. Rogue-Assasian-Shadow Stalker
2. Red Sister-War Maiden-Blood Matriarch
3. Spider Rider-Dark Raider-Blood Raider
4. Beholder-Mind Destroyer-Deathgazer
5. Minotaur-Minotaur Overlord-Minotaur Captain
6. Hydra-Abyssal Hydra-Toxical Hydra
7. Shadow Dragon-Black Dragon-Scarlet Dragon
That is my dream line-up.
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WarLore
Famous Hero
servant of urgash
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posted October 08, 2007 03:47 PM |
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you have nice dream
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