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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: With Or Without Upgrades?
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted July 17, 2007 11:44 PM

Whatever. Just don't resurrect long left threads...
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Homer171
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posted July 17, 2007 11:45 PM

Of course it suited great for H2 that you couldn't upgrade Peasants or Skeletons but after H3 i have wanted to upgrade each creature especially those slow Hydras!

Well definitely H3 & H5 system for me. H4 disabling system was plain anal. In future i hope heroes have more creature slots available but you could still use only 7 of them in battle (no cheap multi 1 stacks).
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alcibiades
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posted July 18, 2007 12:24 AM

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This uniform upgrade system is a bit dumb and mostly upgraded creatures are superior to the unupgraded ones and renders them useless.


Eh duh! Who would pay for an extra dwelling + more expensive unit if upgraded creature was not better than basic one?
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shassz
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posted July 19, 2007 12:07 AM

I consider uniform upgrade system a marketing trick which doubles the creature ammount and that looks good on the box or on the website when they want to sell the game.
It didnt really mattered them much that they fill up the spaces with some 1 dimensional units like zombies,wraiths or some useless dumb ones bone dragons just to mention some from necropolis. A better solution would have been if necro wouldnt get a level 7 but better growth for the others more boost on necromancy or resurrect but that just wont fit this nice system. Anyways I can choose not to build a dragon vault no?
And yea I dont like them for being chicken and returning to the old system just because ppl are satisfied with buffed graphics, a large number of creatures and some minor improvements in skill, and build systems.
Dont get me wrong I dont say its a bad game I just expected way more when I heard that therell be an H5.

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Elvin
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posted July 19, 2007 12:24 AM


Well ubival is no charity what did you expect? But so far evidence tells that the game will be improved and that's what we should care about.

I have no idea what you are talking about with necropolis but practically they have good raising power with their own version of resurrection from the start and almost infinite mana with motn. And more army which is more fun to gather rather than buy from town - more interesting than what you propose. The revamped necromancy system is one of the most ambitious and refreshing moves they have tried.

Chickens? It's called realism, try it sometime.
And many people have expected other things but let's not forget that the fans are more or less divided and ask for different things. And naturally only the majority can get what it asks for. That said most people are satisfied so you can't call H5 a failure. And certainly not bash the devs when they try to improve it.
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Homer171
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posted July 19, 2007 12:35 AM

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Dont get me wrong


I don't get you at all. Upgrades can't really break the game and whats whit the idea of Alternatives being just marketing trick? Players know what they will get and most of them are satisfied what they will get. Mind you that it's not scam and marketing is what they are supposed to do.

About Necros we have better 'growth' for them by new Necromancy system.

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shassz
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posted July 19, 2007 12:46 AM

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I have no idea what you are talking about with necropolis

Seven levels must be filled even if they cant come up with good ideas for every level.


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The revamped necromancy system is one of the most ambitious and refreshing moves they have tried.

Yes. Its nice.

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Chickens? It's called realism, try it sometime.

Why invent something new if the old 1 works well. Maybe because you want to make something new not just money? They are chickens indeed.

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That said most people are satisfied so you can't call H5 a failure.

Read the post before you reply. Thank you.
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Dont get me wrong I dont say its a bad game I just expected way more when I heard that therell be an H5.


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And certainly not bash the devs when they try to improve it.

They dont improve the game in the way I like it and Im free to express my opinion.

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Elvin
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posted July 19, 2007 12:50 AM

Ah well fair enough. I just feel you are making too much of a fuss about it.
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shassz
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Adventuring Hero
posted July 19, 2007 12:52 AM

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Alternatives being just marketing trick?

Yea can be.

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About Necros we have better 'growth' for them by new Necromancy system.

I said better growth in exchange for losing their level 7 unit.
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A better solution would have been if necro wouldnt get a level 7 but better growth for the others

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shassz
shassz


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posted July 19, 2007 01:20 AM

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I just feel you are making too much of a fuss about it.

I just really liked the build system of H4 even if it was unbalanced. I just have to convince enough ppl that its better and the majority will get what it wants.
I think a mix of the 2 system is possible since Nival seems open to the idea. Maybe in H6. Till then Im awaiting to see what theyll put in Tote. I might even buy it.

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PhoenixReborn
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Unicorn
posted July 19, 2007 01:24 AM

I think that the alternate upgrades will be different enough that you will have an actual 'choice' depending on situation.

Also, the unupgraded units make a big difference especially on harder difficulties...for example I might not want to spare the cash and resources for squires but I can use the footman in the same role.

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Evil_Warrior
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posted July 19, 2007 06:42 AM

Well, upgrading units in H5 sometimes makes big difference for example Pit Fiend to Pit Lord that gaining ability to cast Meteor Shower. Or maybe Colossus to Titan that giving Shooting ability.
Anyway, upgrading building, especially level 4-7 dwellings, wastes many resources. Furthermore, increases costs of the unit itself, where we can use the gold or resources to recruit more units if we focus on Quantity instead of Quality. It needs good strategy depends on the situation.


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Kronos1000
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posted July 19, 2007 08:53 AM

I voted without upgrades, but only if it was H4 style I proudly say that H4 is my favourite HoMM game. That's why I was disapointed about ToE that you could train one alt upgrade into another, that sucks *sigh* no H4 style again.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted July 19, 2007 09:29 AM

Yes but you can choose to change them back so why not?
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LiZaRdMeN


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posted July 19, 2007 09:45 AM

heroes iv isn't a bad game .This game is cool.However,i prefer heroes v and the upgrades
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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posted July 19, 2007 09:47 AM

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I consider uniform upgrade system a marketing trick which doubles the creature ammount and that looks good on the box or on the website when they want to sell the game.


Well, for me it's one of the elements that really adds strategy to the game, and that made Heroes 4 fall completely flat. I had nothing against the idea of chosing between several creatures on each tier - that added some room for customization, even if the options were blatantly unballanced (Genie vs. Naga, Cyclops vs. Ogre) - but without the upgrade element, there was no planning of the game. For me, the whole thing about upgrading means that you have to make a lot of tactical decisions - should I go for upgrading rather than expanding, which will mean fewer but better troops? I think that's often one of the most difficult decisions to make, and that adds a lot to the game.
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LiZaRdMeN
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posted July 26, 2007 08:14 AM

without the upgrades the game will not be that cool

gta Iv hater
heroes,starcraft ,dmmm and worldshift fan

http://www.worldshift-game.com/-the coolest bulgarian game ever
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shassz
shassz


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posted July 27, 2007 01:16 PM

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without the upgrades the game will not be that cool

gta Iv hater
heroes,starcraft ,dmmm and worldshift fan

http://www.worldshift-game.com/-the coolest bulgarian game ever


This game called "Worldshift" looks cool. Thanks for sharing.

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