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elit
Famous Hero
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posted March 24, 2007 07:05 PM |
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I dont think "MotN" need be ban. Its need be "fix" and set limit.
About all this story. Dont know how many games you have battles over 20-30 turns but we realy did crazy battle and very emotional for both sides. When i loss for this stupid unlimited mana this piss me much. I go to sleep and when wake up 4h later report. Games like this give much fun ...and emotions.
Now i will revenge Cycleguy and kick his a$$ next few games 
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TowerLord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted March 24, 2007 07:18 PM |
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Well Elit reported the game, so the argument is over now -- but my greater annoyance is with all the unreporteds on the unreported winloss page all the time. Even teacher admits that he will sometimes (if not all the time) report a day later. Just report your game, win or lose RIGHT AFTER the game is over. Its not so hard... but it is a reflection on that person's laziness in life in general I say.
well... you can cut two of them from the list ... I talked to buxyrs about his unreported games against feluniozbunio and he said he already reported them ... probably feluniozbunio reported twice or something 
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted March 24, 2007 08:54 PM |
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Edited by cycleguy at 04:10, 25 Mar 2007.
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Wow I had no idea this post would be so popular, less than 24hours and 22posts on it. 
Just wanted to clear up some questions asked:
 Yes, we played our last 4 games before this with me using mark of necro, I lost, therefore there was no problem.
No, there were no rules made about using mark of necro before game, nothing was said until I was a couple turns from winning.
Yes mark of wizard was used extencively in all 5 of our games and was the key reason I lost the first 4, mark of wizard plus phantom forces is nasty, I stated GG and reported within 5min after the game was over.
I'm not sure what finally caused Elit to post his loss. If my thread on this event was premature im sorry, but from what he wrote me that night I was given the impression no report was going to be made.
I do agree that the report was made with no involvement of ToH administration, so all is wonderful in the world of Homm5
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 25, 2007 04:09 PM |
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Hi to all, I lost a game too ,because of the stupid infinite mana of the undeads. That thing definatly needs balance. So now I'm not playing certain maps against undeads. About the report I agree 100% that Elit must report,the future games are up to him,but the loss must be reported.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted March 25, 2007 05:05 PM |
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There is always a reason for losing or winning a game.
In this case.. its mark of the necro, how about times when cycle lost when he had mark of necro ? I remember he told me he lose 9 out of last 10 clan games last week. In all 10, i believe he had mark of necro, but why did he still lose if it is such an unbalanced skill ?? 
If anything needs balance, deleb is the one. At least, the fireball must hit own troops to be fair
I remember i play 5 toh games of deleb in small maps, 2 with deleb, and 3 against deleb, in all games, deleb came out winner.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted March 25, 2007 08:44 PM |
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First of all, no offense to anyone.... but this game in its current form is no where NEAR balanced. The way they have the unique specialized town systems, I dont think there is a way to truely balance them.
Mark of the necromancer may not be 100% infalable... but just the other night I was playing a duel and there was no way to win the fight... I had still like 120 golems and 100 gremlins left and he had next to nothing...battle shoulda been over...but since he cast MOTN on gremlins I ran them away from his zombies so he couldnt do damage to them so he couldnt regain mana... so he just recast MOTN ( costing zero mana) on golems. So bottom line is he could for FREE cast MOTN all day long on as many times as he wanted... refilling his mana endless and then raising dead with no limit... Now I ask you... where does the logic or balance come in? People claim that Necro has been weakened and MOTN is the only balancing aspect... so UBI ONLY solution was to either make it so they lose horribly or CANT LOSE?
Lets put this in a more simple picture:
2 people are in a gun fight. 1 guy has 10 Bullets in his gun. Other guy has Unlimited Bullets. Takes SKILL to make a kill with a limit of 10 bullets... Gotta make the bullets count... gotta aim steady and straight... but on the other hand if you have a machine gun with unlimited bullets that you can just stand there and spray none stop until you hit your target eventually...where is the skill in that?
I can remember in H3, some games, calculating moves in battle, sometimes 3-4 moves ahead ( similar to chess) calculating damage done etc. Could plan your battle strategy and out smart and out manuever your opponent. But with all the random luck aspect of this game, you cant plan like that. Forexample.... the Emerald Dragons show that they will do 3250 damage .... so they go over and hit and woops... ** luck** + ** elven luck** + ** favoriteenemy** they end up doing 10,000 damage lmao. Come on... lets get realistic.
Now dont take this the wrong way. I like H5...and am not saying its a horrible game etc etc... just saying that in a multi player tournament aspect...it could use alot less luck alot more balance and should depend more on skill. And a couple player agreed upon rules to smooth out the ruff edges wouldnt be as bad as you all make it sound.
But untill then, as Jorko pointed out, people are just not gonna play some races on some maps at all.
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Ghasteater
Known Hero
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posted March 25, 2007 09:21 PM |
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He-he Mark of the wizard + Destuction can make Academy dangerous than Dungeon...
Also man was in siege and desroy catapult . Othervise he seems survive much less
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted March 25, 2007 11:13 PM |
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Sometimes I wonder why some people play this game with all the moaning that goes on. If you dont enjoy the game you shouldn't be playing, I lost to Elit 4 times in a row because mark of wizard and phantom forces on a stack of 22+titans and other creatures that had twice my initiative and the phantom forces that acted directly after casting, but most of all I lost because Elit is a great player who can achieve all those thing and build a great hero. All four times I said GG and reported. Actually in our game before this my 120 archliches were hitting his titans for 100damage, at the end of battle I hadn't even killed one Titan of 22 and my army was decimated.
The next four games I tried to employ new strategies to prevent that same loss and found one that worked, I attacked him a full week earlier than normal. Week 4 day 6 in Hourglass I was at his castle. This gave him much less titans and much less time to build crazy artifacts, it also put me at level 28 to his level 21, this was the first game I played Elit that I even able to use mark of necro because the others were over too fast.
Now instead employing a new strategy I could have got on this forum and moaned that mark of wizard is crap and I refuse to play anyone if they use that spell because I get my ass kicked, or say im not playing academy on Hourglass anymore because I can't win...is that what some people are suggesting I should have done instead?
I don't get onto the ban everything wagon, its a strategy game and my strategy has been changed tons. Ive never banned any hero from a closed map, including Wyngaal. The only banning I support is on open maps that players can meet week 1 or 2 where the only thing that matters is a huge ballista but honestly if you play Mystics Vale or Pennisula you should know what your in for vs ballista heroes anyway.
Wow, I went on forever, if anyone read my dribble for this long congrats!!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted March 26, 2007 01:26 AM |
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Wow all Hail his Majesty Cycle! Bow and kiss his feet. Sounds like you are the one doing all the moaning there Lord Cycle.
I agree there are SOME counters to SOME situations SOME times. But that doesnt mean there is always a potential for that. I dont think its to much to ask to DESIRE a balanced game. This is a public forum where people voice there opinions and desires in the game....and there wishes on what would be ideal in there eyes. So why Cycle do you feel as if you need to come on here and attack people calling them whiners and complainers?
Good for you, you finally learned to rush on Hourglass week 4. My 6 year old could rush on Hourglass with Necro and MOTN.. you wanting a cookie? Shouldnt have been a huge brain storm for Capt Obvious to know that Necro couldnt let Acadamy take all year to build artifacts. But we can pat you on the back if it will make you better. Now really impress us and rush week 4 with Dungeon!!!
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted March 26, 2007 04:06 AM |
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Edited by cycleguy at 04:10, 26 Mar 2007.
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Never meant to offend anyone, sorry Jinxer. I was just trying to say I dont agree with banning something everytime someone gets beat by it. Homm5 seems to have a history of it. Again I never meant to offend anyone. You are right Jinxer, this is a place to voice opinions as I was trying to do but it does seem like im attacking, I will reread my posts from now on before I submit them every time. I read that post again that I wrote and it does come off rather harsh.....but kissing my feet and bowing before me I wouldn't object to, the cookie sounds good too
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2007 05:51 AM |
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Since there are so many unbalanced rules, what rules need to be set??
I can think of ...
No motw for academy ,
no motn for necros,
no puppet master for all
no learning of luck for sylvan
no deleb, no wyngaal,
no hit and run (might as well no dungeon)
only flee during hero's turn
no training of paladins for haven
Wow why do we still play Homm5 then
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted March 26, 2007 06:41 AM |
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Thanks Cycle for your post... I also apologize.. I was guity of making my post personal as well.
Peace!
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted March 26, 2007 08:46 AM |
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you forget 'no necromancy transformer'
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted March 26, 2007 09:42 AM |
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you forget 'no necromancy transformer'
There is alot of "fractions" in this game who will ruin this game....
"hit and run" is one of them lets say armageddons + Obsidian Gargoyle
there is now way to handle that with Necro.....
same for Dungeon......
But then again I don't stop playing this game
The only thing I will complain about is the Sylvans luck system
that really ****** me off and only that!
all in all read below....
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elit
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2007 04:31 PM |
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Since there are so many unbalanced rules, what rules need to be set??
I can think of ...
No motw for academy ,
no motn for necros,
no puppet master for all
no learning of luck for sylvan
no deleb, no wyngaal,
no hit and run (might as well no dungeon)
only flee during hero's turn
no training of paladins for haven
Wow why do we still play Homm5 then
You cant compare Academy/Haven with Necros. Here have 1 big diference. Academy/Haven need find and save resource to use his special...necros do all for free. All other races loss army from begining but all necros hero start with Raise Dead(for this random hero with necros agains other race is cheap trick) and unlimited mana from lvl 2-3. So necros is most easy race for play. "motn" need be limited to 100-150% from your base knolege and all will be ok. Compare to Inferno "Consume Corpse" ist not unlimited and easy for use every time.
Dont tell me how strong is "motw" when academy have realy only this and its not free!
My rules is simple: no deleb, no wyngaal(for main hero), no carto. All other is "ok". Can be mad later but who care lets play and hf
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted March 26, 2007 04:54 PM |
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The only thing I will complain about is the Sylvans luck system
well why am i not surprised.. does it ruin your litel necro-party?
as it is, sylvan seems one of weakest towns, in majority of circumstances, and if some strongly disagree.. well, is been months since last saw anyone pick sylvan so maybe im prejudiced..
and weakest dont mean weak, mean weakest
if was forced to rank towns, to i'd give that one position 6 out of 7
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2007 05:44 PM |
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The problem with them is, if they can't end game in 3-5 turns, they get eaten alive by opponent's magic. Ie.. implosion/meteor shower, or dark magic or conjure phoenix etc etc..
So f.enemy + luck is needed to do a devastating first strike. Often, this first strike is seen by many others by overpowered.
I dun remember necro ever have chance to do motn on sylvan before
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Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted March 27, 2007 12:03 AM |
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I have to disagree with consume corpse.. I undervalued this spell wayyy too much.
But I can think of a certain loss not so long ago that if I hadn't procrastinated and passed consume corpse the 20 other levels I think I would have won well maybe..
The reason that consume corpse is not as game impacting as motn is simple, with inferno on a map like say ability, I don't know about other people but my basic startegy is... Get to teleport assault, get teleport.. get to exp dark magic get puppet master. So usually for the first 2-3 weeks I cast at a maximum 4-5 spells. Although consume corpse can become VERY good if your running alot of Hellfire type dmg. or the other one I forget what its called from defense.
And so long as enemy doesn't destroy your whole stack of imps you can easily gain 200% mana from the initial feed. If your building your inferno hero like mine anyway.
MOTN I agree its a slightly overpowered spell. But I don't think its game breaking. Take the game in question for example. Would it have been a challenge at all if necro wasn't utilizing ALL of its abilities to give the best fight to the opponent.
Would academy have been a force without artifacts or motw? I don't really know.
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strider_hl
Famous Hero
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posted March 27, 2007 07:40 PM |
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Well, now that this thread of dishonorable practices has emerged I feel I need to share experience I got couple days ago with one pal.
Map Ability. I broke garrison to his side and got asked if I could give a day so my opponent "could face a final battle AT ALL"...
Here's what happened:
1. I cruised around for a day and moved scout with additional army within range.
2. He attacked the scout while "gathering together the troops". And I thought that we had a "white flag" as he asked...
3. Final battle. What do I see... that "could face you AT ALL" had turned into more army than mine. Also, opponent had spent the time to get huge arts gathered by ship. I lost.
What I don't like about situation - I deem this dishonorable to ask for spare time IF you have not been a TOTAL LOSER in that particular game.
I reported loss right away as it was my own decision to grant that time. However, I felt severely fooled by such conduct because:
1. Opponent attacked my joining army after had asked for white flag.
2. He WAS NOT scrambling up remnants of troops but amassed an army larger than mine and shipped around for arts.
Bottom line. I would encourage all players to reject such biddings for white flag if you are not sure about player's level of honor.
P.s. After game we talked and he offered to report loss...after while it was only "not report game" and eventually he reported win hehe
I guess sense of quilt is very tranquil and time heals wounds but report stays...
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted March 27, 2007 07:51 PM |
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I dun remember necro ever have chance to do motn on sylvan before
Amen SQ, funny thing is I always ask you to play wyngaal vs me and you ban him from yourself lol, truth be told I still fear Ylthin and Ossir more hehe.
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I have to disagree with consume corpse.. I undervalued this spell wayyy too much.
But I can think of a certain loss not so long ago that if I hadn't procrastinated and passed consume corpse the 20 other levels I think I would have won well maybe..
Amen Destro too lol, I know the game your talking of and you would have won in my opinion also..even if you just had 10mana if it were properly done I think that would have won you the game....for further reference look at "closest game ever thread" right?
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