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Thread: Duel Matchups
dfortae
dfortae


Known Hero
posted April 21, 2007 04:01 AM
Edited by dfortae at 04:06, 21 Apr 2007.

Duel Matchups

I thought I'd take a few minutes and post the list of heroes that have a good chance of beating other heroes in duel mode.  I'll list the hero to BEAT 1st, then the heroes that have the greatest chance of beating them (if you aren't very good it won't guarentee a win).  I'm not going to list every combination, but I'll list the tougher ones to beat for sure (top 3 to use against them).

A few will have heroes that can beat each other.  It totally depends on how you play them if you can beat them easily with the other one, that's why I listed both.

Deleb: Karli, Helmar, Raven

Razzak: Ossir, Karli, Deirdre

Ebba: Ossir, Karli, Jhora

Jhora: Karli, Deleb, Razzak

Karli: Galib, Ossir, Deirdre

Irina: Karli, Razzak, Helmar

Vittorio: Raven, Helmar, Karli

Dirael: Marbas, Karli, Razzak

Ossir: Karli, Deirdre, Deleb

Deirdre: Jhora, Deleb, Raven

Galib: Deleb, Marbas, Irina

Raven: Ossir, Marbas, Karli

Sinitar: Deleb, Marbas, Karli

Nymus: Helmar, Karli, Vittorio

Klaus: Raven, Karli, Dirael

Anwen: Razzak, Deleb, Karli

Eruina: Karli, Jhora, Deleb

Lethos: Raven, Karli, Jhora

Marbas: Karli, Ebba, Razzak

Orson: Marbas, Deleb, Karli

The best by far is Karli.  Interestingly enough, after trying countless combinations against him, Galib has the greatest chance for success!

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alcibiades
alcibiades


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posted April 21, 2007 09:54 AM

How about turning the list upside down - so that you list for each Hero the opponents he has the best chances to beat - or make it so that you list not 3 Heroes that might beat him, but all those that might have the upper hand against him - and only those that might have the upper hand. That would make a list that would be more useful in terms of checking whether there are any balance breaks - thus, Karli might have an extremely long list of Heroes he has the upper hand against (or a very short list where he is the underdog), whereas others might show the opposite tendencies.

Of course, this would be a rather cumbersome task, as one would have to evaluate all heroes against each other and determine who has the upper hand.
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Homer171
Homer171


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Supreme Hero
posted April 21, 2007 11:08 AM

All Runemages are pretty strong in duel whit runes. First i liked Ebbas Bears but later Karli became my favorite duel/advanture hero in the game.

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Lesij
Lesij


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posted April 21, 2007 12:31 PM

Is Karli really so good on duelz?
He is specialised with Skirmishers and he has only 100 od 'em. They can be quickly and easly killed with Ossir's Master Hunters. Moreover he has weak spellz and you won't be able to ressurect dead stack of Skirmishers with Rune of Ressurection. I think Helmar is much better, cuz he has nize Light adn Destructive Spellz and 20 Warlords, which are, IMHO, the best strategic unite in Dwarves' Army.

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radar
radar


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Castle/Haven player
posted April 21, 2007 12:43 PM

Karli is overpowered in duel because he got all of runes, you can use them in each turn, if it will not trigger instantly, it will be still to use. so you have boosted army with runes. compuer do it a lot
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted April 21, 2007 01:03 PM

Karli is balanced in my game, he can't use runes
Otherwise he's just pathetically imbalanced.

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radar
radar


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Castle/Haven player
posted April 21, 2007 02:00 PM

I am almost sure he can use rune of charge and elemental immunity...
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dfortae
dfortae


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posted April 21, 2007 03:11 PM

Quote:
How about turning the list upside down - so that you list for each Hero the opponents he has the best chances to beat - or make it so that you list not 3 Heroes that might beat him, but all those that might have the upper hand against him - and only those that might have the upper hand. That would make a list that would be more useful in terms of checking whether there are any balance breaks - thus, Karli might have an extremely long list of Heroes he has the upper hand against (or a very short list where he is the underdog), whereas others might show the opposite tendencies.

Of course, this would be a rather cumbersome task, as one would have to evaluate all heroes against each other and determine who has the upper hand.


Yeah, I thought about doing that, but didn't want to take the time to do it.

Some heroes are almost worthless in duel (Sinitar, Anwen, etc).

I should probably rank the heroes in order of who I think is best overall to worst overall.  That would help determine boosts also.  I know that doesn't help others who aren't as familiar with duel, but at least it would be something too.  If I can get time, I'll reverse the list so it shows the hero who is good against other heroes.

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dfortae
dfortae


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posted April 21, 2007 03:14 PM

Quote:
Is Karli really so good on duelz?
He is specialised with Skirmishers and he has only 100 od 'em. They can be quickly and easly killed with Ossir's Master Hunters. Moreover he has weak spellz and you won't be able to ressurect dead stack of Skirmishers with Rune of Ressurection. I think Helmar is much better, cuz he has nize Light adn Destructive Spellz and 20 Warlords, which are, IMHO, the best strategic unite in Dwarves' Army.


The biggest imbalance in Karli's army is the ability to hit all the units around them (rune of battle rage) with the Warlords.  They can even activate the rune to get two attacks and THEN that rune to hit every unit around them 2 times with the chain.  It basically destroys the entire army.

The 2nd most imbalance thing is the rune of ressurection.  It means you can only beat him with armies that can do a lot of damage in a very short period of time.  If you can't do that, you've lost.  So armies that "wear down" the enemy will have no effect on this hero.  His magic resistance also makes him beat any magic hero with ease.  Sinitar would be a GREAT candidate (since he negates magic resistance) if his 50 assassins were replaced with 75 upgraded minotaur.  I WISH they'd make that change.  All I can hope for is they implement the "custom" armies well in the next version...

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feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


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posted April 21, 2007 04:28 PM
Edited by feluniozbunio at 16:28, 21 Apr 2007.

duel editor would be great id quit playing standard games for long i guess
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted April 21, 2007 05:23 PM

It will be introduced soon..

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ZombieLord
ZombieLord


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that wants your brainz...
posted April 21, 2007 07:48 PM

Interesting list though I would make the following changes:

Deleb: Karli, Helmar, Raven, Irina

Razzak: Ossir, Karli, Deirdre, Deleb
with Vulnerability and completely protected Succubi, Deleb can defeat Razzak without much difficulties

Galib: Deleb, Marbas, Irina, Eruina
Eruina beats Galib big time; those 180 Blood Furies, if I remember right, kill 30 mages (half) in one blow... 4 Titans are dead because of the Grim Raiders, and the Raksashas won't do anything because they can't reach the Furies in one turn... and before their second turn the game is over anyway
Seriously, I defeated Galib by losing only the Grim Raiders and 80 Furies


Orson: Marbas, Deleb, Karli, Eruina
Again, Orson simply can't do anything with his slow army against the Blood Furies. If you're smart, you may place a stack of 1 Shadow Witch near the Furies to prevent deadly Frenzy attacks

I didn't check the whole list, btw

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Darkeye
Darkeye


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of the Deep
posted April 21, 2007 09:11 PM

I was thinking about posting a cross reference sheet.

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dfortae
dfortae


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posted April 21, 2007 10:18 PM

Quote:
Interesting list though I would make the following changes:

Deleb: Karli, Helmar, Raven, Irina

Razzak: Ossir, Karli, Deirdre, Deleb
with Vulnerability and completely protected Succubi, Deleb can defeat Razzak without much difficulties

Galib: Deleb, Marbas, Irina, Eruina
Eruina beats Galib big time; those 180 Blood Furies, if I remember right, kill 30 mages (half) in one blow... 4 Titans are dead because of the Grim Raiders, and the Raksashas won't do anything because they can't reach the Furies in one turn... and before their second turn the game is over anyway
Seriously, I defeated Galib by losing only the Grim Raiders and 80 Furies


Orson: Marbas, Deleb, Karli, Eruina
Again, Orson simply can't do anything with his slow army against the Blood Furies. If you're smart, you may place a stack of 1 Shadow Witch near the Furies to prevent deadly Frenzy attacks

I didn't check the whole list, btw


I'm sure you noticed I only posted 3 for each.  I posted the 3 most likely to win.  Your list is pretty good too, but I'd leave them back in 4th or 5th place.

Orson can be beat by almost anyone since the latest changes.  He is far too easy.  He needs about 50 zombie and 100 skeleton added.

Deleb can't take Razzak pretty easily depending on who's placing him and how.  I've beaten both Deleb and Razzak pretty often either way because of the way people play them.  If you can manage to keep the Succubus hidden, you're right.  But with morale bonus and teleport, it's fairly easy to get to them.  If you can't, the person playing Deleb was lucky.


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ZombieLord
ZombieLord


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posted April 21, 2007 10:20 PM

You're right, but I still think Eruina is one of Galib's worst Nightmares

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radar
radar


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Castle/Haven player
posted April 22, 2007 11:44 AM

try to defeat anven with eruina but ofc she beats galib
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dfortae
dfortae


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posted April 22, 2007 06:18 PM

List turned around...  Heroes that are GOOD against other heroes (I'm not listing ones that win based on luck but ones that just plain almost always win):

Deleb: Jhora, Vittorio, Deirdre, Galib, Sinitar, Nymus, Anwen, Eruina, Orson

Razzak: Jhora, Helmar, Marbas, Irina, Raven, Vittorio, Dirael, Galib, Sinitar, Nymus, Klaus, Eruina, Lethos, Orson

Ebba: Deleb, Vittorio, Dirael, Galib, Klaus, Anwen, Lethos, Marbas, Nymus, Orson, Eruina

Jhora: Ebba, Irina, Galib, Vittorio, Dirael, Deirdre, Raven, Sinitar, Anwen, Eruina, Lethos, Orson

Karli: EVERYONE

Irina: Vittorio, Dirael, Deirdre, Galib, Sinitar, Klaus, Anwen, Eruina, Orson

Vittorio: Klaus, Deirdre, Eruina, Lethos, Orson, Marbas, Nymus

Dirael: Vittorio, Klaus, Deirdre, Sinitar, Anwen

Ossir: Raven, Sinitar, Nymus, Klaus, Vittorio, Anwen, Lethos, Orson, Razzak

Deirdre: Razzak, Eruina, Lethos, Orson

I'll try to finish the rest later...

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted April 26, 2007 09:18 PM

Is there any hamachi channel to play duels other than ubi ?
I just created one
homm5duels/homm5duels

Hope to see someone in soon

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