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violent_flower
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posted July 21, 2007 05:55 AM |
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Again avoids the question, haven't got that phone call yet huh Shadey...
Someone must feel foolish with the lack of response about one tiny question.
Not very bright if your looking to back your **** up.
Again do your own research Mr. Biologist...
Do me a favor, if your going to avoid the question don't bother responding, I have better things to do then debate with pure stupidity.
Go ahead and rack that one up as a personal attack while your at it, since you can't tell the difference between debate and attack.
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posted July 21, 2007 07:27 AM |
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Again avoids the question, haven't got that phone call yet huh Shadey...
Someone must feel foolish with the lack of response about one tiny question.
Not very bright if your looking to back your **** up.
Again do your own research Mr. Biologist...
Do me a favor, if your going to avoid the question don't bother responding, I have better things to do then debate with pure stupidity.
Go ahead and rack that one up as a personal attack while your at it, since you can't tell the difference between debate and attack.
I sure can tell the difference between debate and attack.
Calling someone stupid is a personal attack and I hope you get reprimanded for it.
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Aculias
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posted July 21, 2007 07:34 AM |
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As a Biologist you should know for a fact that there has been issues Shadey.
Maybe your just a flunkee in school who has not actually gratuated in Biology.
Biology also teaches you the functions of the body & growth.
The different Evolutions in everyones life.
If you have no evidence that it is false, then you should not counter.
It seems you like to talk about stuff you really dont know about (Excluding the Bible)
You seem like those kind of people who TALKS like they know what they are talking about but they really dont.
Some people who dont know about the subject may believe you.
Basically Biology is a science about life.
Plants,Mammels or any living organism.
Basically Botany & Zoology.
It's a science & what is mentioned here is a rare.
It's scientifically possible.
As a Biologist you should expand reason.
You dont seem like a scientist to me.
You seem like someone who dont even attempt to try to learn rare cases.
Sounds pretty fake to me Shadey sorry to say.
The place you lack in your studies because you dont believe in it is the Physiology.
Maybe you have alot more to learn that MEETS THE EYE  .
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violent_flower
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posted July 21, 2007 07:36 AM |
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Not interested in you playing moderator with me because your still salty. '
Stupidity definition: extreme dullness of perception or Understanding.
That state of the mind which cannot perceive and embrace the data presented to it by the senses.
Nope not a personal attack, no different then saying you are ignorant.
Won't answer the question, then this thread is over as far as my responses to you about a subject you are evidently uneducated on, by choice.
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Shadey
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posted July 21, 2007 04:13 PM |
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I'm quite shocked at this thread. It seems to me that everyone in this forum is instantaneously some expert at every subject whether or not they've had any education or training in the field.
The bottom line to this thread is that VF is vehemously arguing a completely pointless strawman. Everyone else is just backing VF up for a reason I can't figure out. Nobody has brought any evidence what so ever to refute my stance on the non-existance of a fully developed and functional hermaphrodite with both sets of genitalia.
If you can't provide at least a link to someone with a set of fully developed testies AND a set of fully developed ovaries, then please shut up.
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antipaladin
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posted July 21, 2007 04:27 PM |
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do you realise that VF,ST,and possibliy myself,and some others,are independet out of the boxer thinkers,and you,my frinde are not,and we tent to defend each other,against likes of you,shady, your to old to live,you justfying haterd...
you ask us if we are saved...
Are you? you dont show love to ur gay brother,hence your a sinner.
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william
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posted July 21, 2007 05:42 PM |
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It is a bit sad that everyone seems to be against Shadey when all he is doing is expressing his opinion.
I can't help but feel sorry for the guy, whether he is right or wrong, doesn't matter, but all I see is everyone disagreeing with him here.
I am not trying to cause a fight or anything, but I feel sorry for him.
Can't you just give him a break?
He is sorta new and everythin. 
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Aculias
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posted July 21, 2007 05:58 PM |
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I dont think Shadey seen me back him up a couple of times.
I think it's pretty evident that you also are aming some harsh replies towards all of us.
Just not directly saying it like calling us a bunch of @$#%@#$#
I know what the women are doing.
I know what you are doing.
Maybe if you show of how much of an expert you are about other subjects besides how hypicritical most people are stated from the bible.
Maybe we can give a slight credit.
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william
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posted July 21, 2007 06:01 PM |
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I think it's pretty evident that you also are aming some harsh replies towards all of us.
Just not directly saying it like calling us a bunch of @$#%@#$#
Is that directed towards me?
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Aculias
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posted July 21, 2007 06:02 PM |
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Willy you always do that lol.
Who are we all talking about right now?
Think about it or he may be right about some of us
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posted July 21, 2007 06:47 PM |
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tolymorphic Detection of a Parthenogenetic Maternal and Double Paternal Contribution to a 46,XX/46,XY Hermaphrodite Author(s) Jacques C. Giltay, Tibor Brunt, Frits A. Beemer, Jan-Maarten Wit, Hans Kristian Ploos van Amstel, Peter L. Pearson, and Cisca Wijmenga1 Identifiers The American Journal of Human Genetics, volume 62 (1998), pages 937–940
DOI: 10.1086/301796
PubMed ID: 9529354
Copyright © 1998, The American Society of
Human Genetics. Abstract True hermaphroditism in humans usually is associated with a 46,XX karyotype or with mosaicism in which admixtures of cells with an XX and an XY karyotype are seen. However, the mechanisms that cause such mosaicisms are poorly understood. To
date, with rare exceptions, analyses of hermaphrodites have been limited mostly to cytogenetic investigations. In this report, we describe a 5-year-old patient with true hermaphroditism and a 46,XX/46,XY karyotype (ratio 38:12) in lymphocytes, suggesting involvement of two fertilization events. Microsatellite DNA polymorphisms distributed throughout the genome were analyzed, to investigate the origin of the cell lines concerned. The results are consistent with double paternal and single maternal genetic contributions. Possible mechanisms that would explain these findings are discussed. The most likely mechanism involves a single haploid ovum dividing parthenogenetically into two haploid ova, followed by double fertilization and fusion of the two zygotes into a single individual, at the early embryonic stage.
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The karyotype of a true hermaphrodite is classified into 46,XX; 46,XY; 46,XX/46,XY, etc. A true hermaphrodite with 46,XX/46,XY is characterised by chimerism." (1) Uehara et al describe a patient was born with genital anomalies, but was originally karyotyped as 46,XX. This was corrected at age of twenty to 46,XX/46,XY. The individual had already been diagnosed correctly at the age of four, with an ovary on the right and the testis on the left, and the latter was removed. At twenty, menarche had not begun and hormone therapy was provided.
I said I would not do your homework for you, but I get the feeling that the definition I gave you in regards to stupidity really may actually apply to you, so in light of your laziness I pulled up a few things for you.
A human that is born with this is really considered to have a deformity. A developed penis may be very small in size but he can’t get an erection, they may have a vagina and a penis along with one or two ovaries, or a number of other combinations.
You do realize that the level of testosterone and estradiol hormones is all that I’m referring to. Not whether or not they have both sets working properly and are given birth to with a perfect working package, IT’S A DIFORMITY. So the levels of the two previous hormones that I spoke of are the concern, they are what drives us sexually or were you not aware of this? Even though both hormones are present in a ‘normal’ human, it is the levels in which a hermaphrodite is born with that causes them to struggle.
For your viewing pleasure there is a link of just one of several cases for you to read, that is if reading it will mean understanding it, as I would not want you to hurt yourself.
http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/news/review/archives/medrev_v3n2_0002.html
As GC already pointed he knows one and you go ahead and preach to them that they really don’t feel that way, that if they would just believe in the Lord he would make things better for them. Considering the fact that they can’t help it, it is ridiculous to have such statements as yours in your previous thread about them knowing that they are sinning. How can you condemn a person that was so unfortunate to have been born with this, when genetically they have been screwed? And a side note, who the hell do you think you are to ostracize anyone for something that they can’t help.
I actually believe that people are born with gay tendencies aside from what we are talking about, but I had to present it this way so you would be arguing against facts and nothing more. I have lived long enough and met enough gay people to know that they never tell me that one day in their twenties they just started enjoying the view of the male extender. They felt this way from as long as they could recollect. But that is a different thread so we will just stick with your scientific view. The other would require passion and love on your part to understand and I don’t have that kind of time.
So again Shadey, just answer, how it is that you and your loving kind church members would handle this situation if it was to arise in your church, how are all those words that you live by going to facilitate a person that looks at a women and feels passion, but can look at a man with that same feeling? You will ask them to just not have sexual relations with anyone because they don’t know who they are? According to most Christians there is nothing wrong with being gay, just acting upon it, correct? I mean save me from myself if I’m mistaken here.
BTW anyone that gets on here to respond does so out of their own malice for your responses and has nothing to do with me. I have had it out with most of them in the past about one thing or another, but in the end we make up, uh William and Acu… Kisses to you guys..
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posted July 21, 2007 09:35 PM |
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I'm quite shocked at this thread. It seems to me that everyone in this forum is instantaneously some expert at every subject whether or not they've had any education or training in the field.
The bottom line to this thread is that VF is vehemously arguing a completely pointless strawman. Everyone else is just backing VF up for a reason I can't figure out. Nobody has brought any evidence what so ever to refute my stance on the non-existance of a fully developed and functional hermaphrodite with both sets of genitalia.
If you can't provide at least a link to someone with a set of fully developed testies AND a set of fully developed ovaries, then please shut up.
Oh give me a break.
For starters, you dont have to be an "expert" to have knowledge.
Is that your new word that your learned this week...strawman?
Amazing what the dictionary has in it huh?
here are some points for you to chew on Shadey (And YES...I DID copy this because I am not going to sit here and type out every little word):
From the CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY:
A hermaphrodite is a person who possesses the sexual organs of both male and female. The Bible does not address hermaphroditism. Therefore, it is difficult to doctrinally ascertain the Lord's position about them. Nevertheless, what are we to make of hermaphrodites?
God's intention of the sexes is that those born males act like males and those born females act like females. But, in rare instances there are babies born with the sexual organs of both sexes. Why is this? First of all, sin is in the world and it sometimes takes its tolls on our bodies resulting in various deformities. Nevertheless, in the case of hermaphroditism, the identity of the individual is still intended by God to be one or the other. After all, God would not make someone in contradiction to His created order and purpose. This means the hermaphrodite, thought physically ambiguous, does possess an identity of one or the other. It would seem best, then, to let the hermaphrodite grow and decide which gender to side with since he/she would know his/her own identity internally. If surgery is elected to make the decision permanent by altering the body to represent one or the other sexes, then that seems like a reasonable choice to make.
From DevBio, a companion to Developemental Biology 8th edition:
Human Hermaphrodites
Also from that book:
"Hermaphrodites have a long history. Indeed, many traditional cultures believed that the original person was perfect. Perfection means having no wants that need to be satisfied, so the first person was hermaphrodite. This can be seen in Plato's Symposium, where the original form of humanity was hemaphrodite, but when they got too numerous Zeus, decided to split them in half. After having done so, he finds that the now-separate sexes spend all their time trying to join themselves back together. Zeus decides to help these creatures by moving their genitalia such that when any two embraced, they might conceive and thus propagate. In some interpretaions of Genesis, the primal Adam was a hermaphrodite, and the cleaving of this original person into male and female is evidence of the Fall. So, as the saying goes, "No one's perfect."
As afar as you wanting to see "proof" and pictures of a "true" hermaphrodite, there are countless pages of that very thing, but my advise to you to actually open your eyes and LOOK, because I saw PLENTY of them.
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I sure can tell the difference between debate and attack.
Calling someone stupid is a personal attack and I hope you get reprimanded for it.
Ah. *ahem* NO. You don't appear to know the difference.
Thinking someone is stupid versus calling them a drug addict.
Hmmm.
No. You dont.
Then whining about it...Wahhhhhhhhhh
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I hope you get reprimanded for it.
That real mature. LOL
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posted July 21, 2007 10:06 PM |
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gah
I have avoided coming in here  I've finally flicked through page 2, and I don't like what I see. This is not a place to start a flame war, the whole pack bully mentality makes me 
I'm going to come back and reread the thread when I have the energy to deal with more of this negative, meanspirited, and agressive blah.
Until them be warned to be very very careful, read the CoC, and don't push it.
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Tenaka
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posted July 21, 2007 11:38 PM |
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Three cheers for William, for making the only non-offensive post in the entire thread! (Except for kookastar, but she's a mod, so that doesn't count.  )
Why do you all have to keep bashing Shadey?
Especially you Violent flower, don't you think you've got yor point across? Yes, you didn't quite insult him directly, but I think the sarcasm and the subtle insults have gone far enough by now. I've heard the word 'crusade used somewhere. Well, that's pretty much what this is becoming!
I was really shocked by Antipaladin's post:
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do you realise that VF,ST,and possibliy myself,and some others,are independet out of the boxer thinkers,and you,my frinde are not,and we tent to defend each other,against likes of you,shady, your to old to live,you justfying haterd...
you ask us if we are saved...
Are you? you dont show love to ur gay brother,hence your a sinner.
That sounds a bit hypocrit - is that even spelled right? << -, doesn't it? You think out of the box, but you can't let others think in the box? And honestly, we don't need a deep religious conversation here. I'm sure he can give you a good answer to that last sentence, and that you can turn that in an other question, etc, etc.
Be it statistics, be it numbers, be it words, everything can be turned to your advantage.
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posted July 21, 2007 11:47 PM |
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lol you can be a indepent thinker too if u want
im kiddinng about the guarding stuff as i figourd it would be understand as sarcesm,as for sheeple religouse all im saying is that it doesnt do anything with triying to profe someone wrong,and that they try to much i dont think he is a complete moron or anything,i thing hes way to conservative,not an idiot,but stobern in a bad way.how to explain>? a sheep thats not insulting,thats just how i see it,i know i wont be able to convince u otherwise,and i dont try.
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Tenaka
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posted July 22, 2007 12:02 AM |
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Well, sorry, if that's the case. I guess I kinda saw the worst with everyone flaming the whole thread. You could use some  ; , or to show that you're kidding. I hope you do realize that it seems very offensive if you don't get the joke.
I don't agree with you do - like you said >< - with yor opinion about religious people. At least not on this site. Religious people are really a minority on here. If you read through the 'I gave up on...' thread critically, you'll see that the non-believers are just as baad, if not worse.
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posted July 22, 2007 01:48 AM |
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saying that,and you'll have saying the same thing as politicians are truth-speaking..
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posted July 22, 2007 02:21 AM |
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gah
I have avoided coming in here I've finally flicked through page 2, and I don't like what I see. This is not a place to start a flame war, the whole pack bully mentality makes me
I'm going to come back and reread the thread when I have the energy to deal with more of this negative, meanspirited, and agressive blah.
Until them be warned to be very very careful, read the CoC, and don't push it.
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This is not a place to start a flame war, the whole pack bully mentality makes me
I'm not sure where you are coming from with this, lately it does not seem to matter what thread I start you say that it is being aggressive. Maybe I just have a different way of communicating with others. I'm engaging in a debate attempting to get a answer from Shadey is all I'm doing. I have not offended him according to COC, if he wants to take it personal I don't know what to say.
First off I can pull several thread where people have not agreed with one another, it is not considered a "Bully Mentality" it is called a debate and a difference of opinion.
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Shadey
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posted July 22, 2007 02:32 AM |
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Two of your threads have me named in paticular. There is no doubt that your target is me, and not having a discussion about an issue. Also disputing facts followed by a slam such as "your cult is going on a witch hunt" is flaming.
Making claims that my church hates people is derogatory and uncalled for. If you want to get a reply from me please tone down the anger and sarcasm in your posts.
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posted July 22, 2007 02:36 AM |
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Why do you all have to keep bashing Shadey?
Especially you Violent flower, don't you think you've got yor point across? Yes, you didn't quite insult him directly, but I think the sarcasm and the subtle insults have gone far enough by now. I've heard the word 'crusade used somewhere. Well, that's pretty much what this is becoming!
I was really shocked by Antipaladin's post:
Christ what is wrong with you people, sorry Tenaka when did you become a moderator. If I want to be sarcastic that is my freaking right, why don't you guys get the COC and then rewrite it so I can respond exactly how you feel I should.
There is a daycare somewhere in the world taking applications for those of you that wish to take care of children, until that job comes please find another thread to play babysitter with...
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