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Aculias
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posted July 22, 2007 03:08 AM |
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Problem is that tenaka has not seen the other typical Christian replies from the other threads.
I have to disagree with Kooka to an extent.
This is a debate about real life issues.
This is just you & the Pretty Tayladida.
Your just more agressive in nature.
To an extent meaning what you guys said earliar.
Yall dont care if you talk crap but within a reason.
I dont really see many code breaking.
Yall see certain ways differently then pretty much almost everyone hehe.
Like calling someone stupid.
Yea that is an insult.
Your calling someone incompetent.
I would actually like to see a good reason how Stupid is not an insult.
People dont need to hear that word about themselves.
Like I said you two have your own views.
Correct or not it dont matter.
As long as it matters to yall.
That is all that counts.
Personally I think Shadey deserves alot more then yall are holding in.
Unfortunately there are more rules in here then at a teenage shelter lol.
Well we can always move it back to Myspace & raise hell 
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posted July 22, 2007 03:20 AM |
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I have encourage new people to come, if this forum is going to become some conservative, fluffy pillow fight with no substance then I will just tell them to go to different sight. Sounds like you guys prefer soft candlelight poems and everything wrapped up in a pretty box with a pink bow.
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posted July 22, 2007 03:24 AM |
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Yall can do whatever you want.
You have been here long enough Flower.
You know how it is.
You want to be gone then be gone.
You should already know how the people are like in here.
No one is stopping you.
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posted July 22, 2007 03:28 AM |
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Thanks for the permission love, kisses to you>>>>
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posted July 22, 2007 03:37 AM |
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GIVE ME A HUG WOMAN!!!
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posted July 22, 2007 04:38 AM |
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If this thread wasn't a procovation I don't know what is. You went looking for a fight and you got one. I'm over it, I am no longer going to read OSM blah and deal with this crap. Bash each other as much as you like, if that's what makes you happy, bashing kids on a computer game forum.
You all need to learn that just because someone is different to you, and believes differently, it doesn't give you the right to judge them and treat them like a piece of crap through sarcasm or whatever, maybe someday, something will happen in your life and you will grow out of this school kid behaviour. Maybe not. I don't care anymore.
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posted July 22, 2007 04:45 AM |
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Excuse me. First off, and no offense, but if you would bother reading what he had originally wrote you would see that this is his doing, he was the one putting down other peoples beliefs. So could we get some backup on that point or is this one sided.
Have you ever heard that if one person says something it may be true, but if twenty people state it then it probably is true? Well this Bully mentality is not that at all, but people having a problem with the way he presents himself.
I have a sarcastic way of communicating and it is nothing personal, I do it to everyone, this is a typing setup where it is hard to deciphers between personal attacks and just a misunderstanding.
Sorry if this is not the way that you wish for things to be, I just don't know why peace has to be the way all the time, it is good to get things out.
On a side note, I have three children one who will be 15, so I have to say as far as your, something happening in my life to get me out of this childish stage comment, I come here to get away from reality and play with other adults. I have to be an adult all day and night with my kids, so I deserve to be sarcastic and have some fun....
What I can't figure out is that you teach high school kids but you want to come here to get away from that? You have seen the ages of some of the people on here, right?
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posted July 22, 2007 06:03 AM |
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I Like Valeriy's Heroes Community
I don't mind being labeled as 'soft'. I think people come here to Heroes Community for many different reasons. And there are certainly thousands if not millions of internet forums, each of which conducts their business according to their own rules. This is Valeriy's forum. I like the way he has created and established it. It is not a place where people come to agree with you. Neither is it a place where people come to disagree with you. I think some people come here to be heard and hear others speak as in a civil exchange of ideas, opinions, and passing thoughts. What you call 'soft' I call 'civil'. Considering your fellow Heroes Community member's feelings is important because we're all human. We don't know what each other has been through in their lives before finally arriving here at Heroes Community.
To be more specific: Some people might have had an unbelievably difficult childhood under a parent dictator that forcefully drove their religion (or the heel of a boot) into their children's minds. Some might have come from an entire lack of direction in life...from parents who rejected authority and thus could never hold down a job. Some of the women were beaten and abused by their husbands. Some of the ethnic minorities may have been severely discriminated against or even worse-openly oppressed. Some members might have come from the most strict christian upbringing and hammered for even the slightest offensive word that slipped from their mouths, only to be punished by seclusion and starvation. Some grew up on the streets where survival of the fittest determines who should live and who should die.
The point is we shouldn't judge a person by their remarks. I think we should continue to question what that person is really like. We should continually look for clues of information pertaining to the inner workings of their minds and hearts. Clues help us make a more informed decision as to how we should proceed in dealing with people on this level. Exactly how many clues have we learned from our newest members? How well can you honestly say that you know even some of our most venerable veterans? For all we know they could be entirely different in real life. It is common knowledge that people often take on fictional personas that they would otherwise be unable to live without the secrecy of the internet. Do we have the right to make a character judgment based on something someone said in an internet forum? Is it fair and just that we should condemn a person for how they feel on the inside? Opening up to a room full of strangers can be quite a courageous act, especially in the light of truth about one's own feelings. Or....have we forgotten that honesty is a rare commodity these days?
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posted July 22, 2007 06:24 AM |
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get me out of this childish stage comment
that was a comment made in anger and frustration - for that i appologise {should have read Val's philosophy  } I mean being able to debate without making it a personal vendetta... I still haven't read this thread in it's entirity and never will (this all blew up before I got there). You know I never did say that Shadey had a right to treat people like crapp either - enough though really.
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I come here to get away from reality and play with other adults...What I can't figure out is that you teach high school kids but you want to come here to get away from that? You have seen the ages of some of the people on here, right?
hehee I think we are both saying the same thing
I come here to escape yeah, and to be stimulated and have fun without all the bickering that goes on with teenagers, is what I meant. Most of the teenagers here are actually pretty mature and fun though 
I am not writing this to start more argument VF, I might have over reacted, I am just tired, and as I felt I should be modding as people were getting offended I was annoyed. Man, can we move on now.
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Aculias
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posted July 22, 2007 06:29 AM |
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Your so cute when you get frusterated.
Avoiding problems is never the answer, remember that.
& I did say I MIGHT do whatever i said i would do if you got frusterated .
I did not say I would absolutely do it
Kookie Sue you are not all that innocent come on now
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posted July 22, 2007 07:03 AM |
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Yep we can move on... And if I make your job hard for that I'm sorry..
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posted July 22, 2007 08:38 PM |
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Do we have the right to make a character judgment based on something someone said in an internet forum?
If one wants to pretend to be someone else on here that is fine by me. But to state that we should not make character judgments about someones beliefs or something that they just state outright when they know that it will stir people, well that is a bit extreme.
When we debate we engage in an argument by discussing opposing points. How one chooses to argue is up to them. Some forms of argument would not go over well lets say in the open media with politics or religion. But on a forum such as this there are many ways to have a discussion or debate.
If I were debating with Peacemaker it would be more formal and friendly, because I know that she would not say something before having all the facts.However, lets say it was Consis or Shadey for example, well, with Consis it is like debating with a souffle'. Depending on the whether and the day he is up and down and flip flops so much that after awhile you just understand that maybe he just likes to hear himself talk. Not that he has not had valid points and is not well spoken at times, he has just been to flip floppy for me to debate with intelligently.
Shadey is frustrating to debate with because while he states he is a biologist (which is a nice title) he argues as though he is crabby and it's nap time in kindergarten class. He won't answer direct questions and takes everything as a personal attack. So this would be why arguing with him becomes exhausting and nothing gets accomplished.
So the answer to the question, "Do we have the right to make a character judgment based on an internet forum?" YES!!!
Those who choose to come here and state their beliefs and force them onto others have opened the door for discussion and debate, which I'm fine, this is why I come here.
What needs to be clarified is that we are all different and choose to argue differently, so while I appreciate your nice response Consis to make things better, the truth is debate as you wish, but don't play moderator, and don't try to tell others how they should respond to your threads.
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posted July 22, 2007 09:10 PM |
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I come here to get away from reality and play with other adults...What I can't figure out is that you teach high school kids but you want to come here to get away from that? You have seen the ages of some of the people on here, right?
doyou know how that is insulting to the not adults?
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Aculias
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posted July 22, 2007 09:11 PM |
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I dont think it's anyones place to judge anybody.
Except it is towards a certain situation with you.
They should be judged in that certain circumstance because they most likely deserve it.
Not to mention Jake does have that deep sexy voice.
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posted July 22, 2007 09:12 PM |
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I come here to get away from reality and play with other adults...What I can't figure out is that you teach high school kids but you want to come here to get away from that? You have seen the ages of some of the people on here, right?
doyou know how that is insulting to the not adults?
Sorry Anita PaliDan well try to be more cautious of your feelings
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posted July 22, 2007 09:37 PM |
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Violent_Flower,
It seems to me that you refuse to accept anything but a 'right' or 'wrong' answer. In many cases, however, there is no right or wrong answer. Feelings for example....can not be argued against. A person can feel a certain way at a particular time but that doesn't necessarily mean they are evil or altogether bad people. Example: when someone cuts you off while driving in traffic (bort's thread excluded ) and you suddenly blurt out that they deserve to burn in hell....at the time you are most likely feeling angry and don't actually mean what you say. In such cases what is said is better left dead.
The difference is when a person comes out and makes it clear with definitive intention as to what their actions will be in conjuction with a certain feeling. Example: "I hate stupid people. This is what I'm going to do about it!" In that case one may assume the person is actually going to support their belief and thus may be reacted to with that assertion.
Here in Shadey's case I would not take your reaction as justified. He has stated that he believes certain laws, ideas, and concepts of action. I never saw you or Setitetart asking him if he has been in any way proactive. If he says he believes homosexuality is a sin, did you then ask him what he intends to do about it? Or did you begin your character judgment of him immediately on the spot. I can understand you disagree with his belief. Why can't we ask and depend on actions more so than a set of beliefs? Aren't actions supposed to be our closest thing to definitive character description. Isn't it true that the best way to know a person is to see which of their actions coincide with their set of beliefs?
What gives you & Setitetart the moral authority to tell him what to believe? If I see a Satanist or a Branch Davidian or otherwise....I don't walk up to them and say, "Look here you idiot, stop believing in nonsense! Believe in what I believe because I know I'm right and you're simply wrong. Got it? You accept that you're wrong and that I'm right...and you will be a better person. Your beliefs are idiotic and pathetic and we're tired of it." How is that going to inspire someone to learn the truth? In TRUTH all it will do is engender a newfound enemy whose taken up exception with you personally! When you start imposing people stop listening. It is an ingrained response built into our nature from the time we are teenagers when rebellion is most common. At those young brash ages we learn, as a species, as a common group of suppressed individuals, that ANYONE who attempts to force their will upon us will NEVER succeed!
That's what you and Setitetart seem to be doing by forcefully impressing your views on another individual without giving them the right of self-suffiency and the grace of time to learn for themselves. History has taught us there can be no better way to affect and bring about change except through inspiration.
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posted July 22, 2007 09:47 PM |
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I think you may be slightly off Jake with the deep sexy voice .
I do not deny that it has gotten personal regardless of what is said.
I think there is disputing & debating about different beliefs.
The girls are stating about his views & Shadey is playing it off like he is getting totally bombarded by the girls.
He has his own beliefs but is it not him that is basically telling us whats wrong & whats right.
You should know better then I jake.
It's just who the girls are.
They express themselves differently then alot of other people.
You express yourself differently then most people I know Jake.
Now WHO ARE YOU to blame the girls for being who they are?
What is it because of your relationship with them now?
Has Tay ever done anything to you in the past for you to act like an #%$? (That rhymed)
It seems to me that you cast judgement on people without knowing them.
I understand kids should not read certain stuff.
I dont think anyone on the net as far as i know ever mentioned anything bad or any bad vibes to any of your kids.
Now I am disapointed in you jake with the DEP SEXY VOICE.
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posted July 22, 2007 10:20 PM |
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I just don't know why peace has to be the way all the time, it is good to get things out.
Thought you'd never ask...
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I come here to get away from reality and play with other adults...
Wait, you go to a computer game forum and you're surprised when kids are around? What, you retreated from MySpace cause of all the emos and you decided to migrate to the first forum you found without even looking what it's about? I don't get it.
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Next thing I see is a member of the KKK accusing someone of being racist 
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So the answer to the question, "Do we have the right to make a character judgment based on an internet forum?" YES!!!
Personal judgment, sure. You can make personal judgments as much as you like. But if you start saying how everyone should make judgments on a person based on a few posts on a game forum, that's, well, plain retarded.
No offense. Well, perhaps a little bit, but not too much.
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posted July 22, 2007 11:55 PM |
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Ya Bak exactly, I was telling Consis not to tell people how to respond or believe. Thanks for the backup. BTW I did do my research before joining; I read Gootch and Sirsteven and some others, it looked fun and not as stuffy as it has become. So yes I did read it, but thanks for the comment anyway.
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posted July 23, 2007 12:48 AM |
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thanks for the comment anyway.
Lol, you're not getting rid of me so easy
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Ya Bak exactly, I was telling Consis not to tell people how to respond or believe.
That had nothing to do with Consis. Consis is from some other world. He is, well, nice. He doesn't impose his beliefs, or says something has GOT to be some way (at least not in an overzealous way), like a lot of people around here. He's simply around. You can listen to him, you don't have to, doesn't really matter to him. Something like Jesus So he's a special case.
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I did do my research before joining
You did RESEARCH and you haven't heard of extremely childish people here? 
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