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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted August 25, 2007 09:50 PM |
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Actually, I wasn't talking about you in particular. I was talking about all those people who suddenly needed a "very good explanation why a cyclops can shoot beams from his eye". How about "because" as an answer? After all, there is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't.
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Orfinn
Supreme Hero
Werewolf Duke
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posted August 25, 2007 09:51 PM |
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Ok got it. Because they are magical beings 
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted August 27, 2007 10:16 PM |
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Actually, I wasn't talking about you in particular. I was talking about all those people who suddenly needed a "very good explanation why a cyclops can shoot beams from his eye". How about "because" as an answer? After all, there is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't.
Don't know if there is a history for the beam - but i think its just how the story goes.. Some old man told a story about huge giant with 1 eye, next person puts a club into the story, next one makes the eye glow and the 4 makes it shoot lazer...
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted August 29, 2007 05:02 PM |
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Is it true that one of the upgraded cyclops will have 50 attack points?
If he have 50 atck and huge damage,that means that he will have low defence and hp
Lol I doubt any of these is close to what we'll get. 50 attack would be overpowering with the bloddrage and a cyclops with low does not add up.
That's why I love the Behemoths from H3, they used a superb ability to enhance the awesome offense nature of Stronghold without actually overdoing stats. Brilliant.
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted August 29, 2007 05:07 PM |
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Good question. I have an idea - maybe the Cyclops in question is normally melee, and throwing a Goblin allows it to make a ranged attack. So no damage bonus, but the ability to attack from a distance would make sense.
Sacrifising your own creatures (which do good damage themselves) just to make a ranged attack makes no sense whatsoever...
I would think the number of creatures thrown is limited to the number of cyclops, like if the cyclops stack holds 11 units, then only 11 goblins can be thrown or something. I would asume the damage is higher than their own regular damage, or more fixed.
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted August 29, 2007 07:55 PM |
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Teleport assault by orcs = Cyclops throws all goblins inside to walls  that would be nice.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 29, 2007 08:06 PM |
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That's a throwing assault  The assaulting goblins suffer a 10% atb reduction value until they get their bearings again 
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted August 29, 2007 08:15 PM |
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Sacrifising your own creatures (which do good damage themselves) just to make a ranged attack makes no sense whatsoever...
Care to elaborate on that? It makes plenty of sense if the unit gaining the ranged attack is a Level 7, likely to deal far more damage than the (small) number of thrown Goblins. And I dunno who told you that Goblins are going to be doing good damage.
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LiZaRdMeN
Disgraceful
Known Hero
The king of Grimheim
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posted August 29, 2007 08:22 PM |
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Sacrifising your own creatures (which do good damage themselves) just to make a ranged attack makes no sense whatsoever...
Care to elaborate on that? It makes plenty of sense if the unit gaining the ranged attack is a Level 7, likely to deal far more damage than the (small) number of thrown Goblins. And I dunno who told you that Goblins are going to be doing good damage.
Well,if you dont know 386 goblins can do more than 1500 damage
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 29, 2007 08:41 PM |
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When used by a high level campaign hero against neutrals?  Riight.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted August 29, 2007 08:43 PM |
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@Lizardmen - According to one screenshot in a battle from a game which isn't even out yet. There could have been plenty of factors to decide that high damage - affecting spells, the hero's Attack rating, the enemy unit's Defence, Blood Rage... and even then, it's from a beta version of the game, probably not even nerfed yet. So good luck to you there. 
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted August 29, 2007 09:29 PM |
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a fully buffed tier one sprite in those numbers (full of light magic) necklace of the bloody claw attack frenzy +natures wrath and luck can easily reach those numbers. even defenders can under the right conditions. there could be a lot more factors then can be seen (like special warcrys on the goblin and skills or maybe a warcry to reduce the squires defence?
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 29, 2007 11:24 PM |
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Well,if you dont know 386 goblins can do more than 1500 damage
Just to do a bit of math. The shot shows 386 Goblins do 1550 damage, or very close to 1 Goblin = 4 damage. This is vs. Footmen with a highish defence of 8, so let's consider a couple of examples. First, let's consider the Goblins being under a level 1 Barbarian, who's likely to have an Attack rating of 3. Let's speculate that Goblins have Attack of 1 themselves. That'd mean damage was reduces by roughly 20 %, so one Goblin would do 4.8 damage. That's pretty good.
Now let's take next example, and imagine Hero is level 10 Barbarian, 45 % chance of gaining Attack, so his Attack rating would be a natural 7, w/o considering artifacts or other modifiers. With a Goblin attack of 1 (not very likely), that would yield a clean 4 for Goblin damage. Still pretty good.
Now, let's assume perhaps Hero has taken Attack skill, probably a major skill for Barbarian. Let's say Advanced level, that'd meen damage was increased 10 %. More importantly, it's not unlikely Hero has taken Battle Frenzy skill. That'd reduce damage to 2.6, corresponding to, say, 2-3 damage range. Similar to Familiar - not bad, but not extreme. A Sprite with Battle Frenzy and Nature's Wrath will do 4-4 damage.
All this shows that simple numbers can mean anything and cannot be interpreted into full truth. And with that, let's not bring the discussion too much off-topic.
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted August 29, 2007 11:35 PM |
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Care to elaborate on that? It makes plenty of sense if the unit gaining the ranged attack is a Level 7, likely to deal far more damage than the (small) number of thrown Goblins. And I dunno who told you that Goblins are going to be doing good damage.
Well someone said so xD
I'm just saying, unless the thrown goblins deal more damage than the goblins could deal themselves WITHOUT being thrown, I don't think the skill is that usefull, especially if they'd have to be next to each other. But, we'll see how it turns out in game.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted August 29, 2007 11:46 PM |
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Sorry if I sounded harsh, it's just that there is some sense behind the idea. Especially if the Cyclops isn't a particularly mobile creature and could use the ability to attack from a distance rather than chase its enemies all across the battlefield...
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted August 29, 2007 11:50 PM |
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Maybe, but the Behemoth from H3 wasn't exactly the most mobile unit either, yet it did find its purpose well enough. The battlefield aint very large, 5 speed gets it in a decent enough range.
No worries about any harsh tone xD If any, mine was.
But again, we'll have to see in-game how usefull it is.
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LiZaRdMeN
Disgraceful
Known Hero
The king of Grimheim
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posted August 30, 2007 08:00 AM |
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Actually, I wasn't talking about you in particular. I was talking about all those people who suddenly needed a "very good explanation why a cyclops can shoot beams from his eye". How about "because" as an answer? After all, there is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't.
Lol,dont you remember that in heroes 1 and 2 the cyclops shoot a beam trough its eye that can paraliza creatures
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted August 30, 2007 03:03 PM |
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Those were good times...
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I may not follow. Just walk
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted August 30, 2007 03:27 PM |
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Indeed, the times that dragons were overpowered are the best... Hell, for all I care they can reduce the power of Minotaurs and Shadow Mistresses even more if only to overpower the blackies. I'd be all in favour of that!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 30, 2007 03:34 PM |
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I hope that never comes to pass! In many games shadow dragons never come into play much less the blackies.
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