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posted July 26, 2007 02:54 AM |
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Stereotyping and "not voting for a non white" ... "just because"
is pretty dang racist.
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Celfious
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posted July 26, 2007 02:57 AM |
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Our ancestors which are still living were bad people. Old people these days remember those times. They are still alive. Even though they werent slaves, they were outcasted by gangs and plain out racist people.
I hate racisim and stereotyping and anything like it.
Reperations equals EQUALITY for all people
IN addition, I must say that a preppy top caliber school should not recieve funding until the lower financed schools do. Period!
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posted July 26, 2007 04:11 AM |
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You say this...
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I hate racisim and stereotyping and anything like it.
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Reperations equals EQUALITY for all people
You hate racism? Well, it's racist to exclude anyone from anything on basis of race. I have serf ancestors (most Russians do). Does that mean that the Russian government owes me reparations? What if I have both noble and serf ancestors? Do I owe myself reparations? Most Americans are descended from peasants or slaves. Should all of them get some sort of reparations? No, of course not. What about people who are descended from slaves and slave owners? What about Al Sharpton? He's done pretty well, does Strom Thurmond's family owe him reparations? And I have nothing to do with American slaves. I never bought one, never sold one, never captured one, and never was one. Why would I have to pay my tax dollars so some ghetto guy can get crack money? Or so some rich guy can add another wing to his mansion?
The bottom line is, in such a case, reparations are ridiculous.
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IN addition, I must say that a preppy top caliber school should not recieve funding until the lower financed schools do. Period!
The government should spend money in a way that gets results. You can pour as much money as you want into the Middle-of-the-Ghetto Gangsta High School, and it really won't improve. Crack can be spread equally well on dilapedated toilets and gold ones. Instead of having grafitti drawn on sucky equipment, you'll have it drawn on good equipment. Instead of having bad teachers, you'll have good teachers for a month who leave because the school still sucks. On the other hand, if the government put money into a "preppy" school, then results would come (up to a certain point, of course). It's the same thing with No Child Left Behind. Children are still being left behind. But children are also being left ahead: high achievers don't get the attention they deserve. Period.
Money alone won't change anything. Only a change in attitude will. Whether European-, African-, Asian-, or Native American, the same thing needs to be drilled into their minds: get out of the ghetto. Go up. There are plenty of scholarships for poor people (and, unfortunately, plenty exclusive ones for minorities) Get an education and a clean, high-paying job. Set an example for your children. A desire to achieve high goals is the only thing that can end poverty. Not charity. Not welfare. Their only use is to have money while you are getting an education. Now, I realize that some people are incapable of receiving an education; they will not do as well. Still, they should get jobs, and earn money. They should go to the illegal immigrants' level and compete with them! And they should make money and stay off the streets! GET OUT OF THE GHETTO!
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posted July 26, 2007 04:48 AM |
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In a way we already have reparations in the US. It's called Equal Opporunity Employment and other such programs. Those types of programs cost the taxpayers millions, maybe even billions of dollars. It's just that the payout is indirect rather than a direct cash payment.
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posted July 26, 2007 05:39 AM |
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Do you have any idea how OUT there you sound sometimes??
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Again I'm being accused of the same thing. If you think the things I say are racist then you need to do some more travelling in this country. Go ahead and continue to surmise my racial intentions. With such quality intel, you might consider invading a foreign ancient middle eastern islamic country. Perhaps you'll find the truth of my real feelings buried next to a weapon of mass destruction.
Oh..that's right we all forgot how much you and your family travel outside of Oregon....
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If you want to take 3 or 4 years to plan and save up that's cool with me. I've been talking with my wife about my vacation time and she's adamant that we not go anywhere outside of Oregon due to the current state of flying troubles and heightened paranoia. It was a nightmare last summer when we all went to Texas.
Done much traveling since then? *smirks* Good grief Jake...
Oregon to Texas, Texas to Oregon? LMAO
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With such quality intel, you might consider invading a foreign ancient middle eastern islamic country. Perhaps you'll find the truth of my real feelings buried next to a weapon of mass destruction.
I mean seriously now...
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a foreign ancient middle eastern islamic country
Well let me see here...even with excellent "intel", the possibilities of INVADING...by VF no less...LOL
*sorry I am laughing so hard right now*
Yep yep...could certainly find a foreign place...CHECK
Ancient...not many of them places around you know being all modern and stuff...NEGATIVE
Middle eastern...sure have a few of those...CHECK
Islamic...yep a few of those too...CHECK
Put them all together and what do you have???
Nothing. Zero. Ziltcho. Zippo. Nada.
You know why dollface?
VF would NEVER do anything like that, and the place you are hinting at doesnt exist...along with all the WMD's I might add.
So where exactly does that leave the truth of your real feelings on the matter?
*singing*
Dust in the wind....
Oh sorry...you weren't trying to be funny???...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I thought you were because...
oh nevermind.
LOL
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posted July 26, 2007 05:54 AM |
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Some people are just never satisfied & some just dont get over nothing.
People just expect things to happen to them over thier bloodline.
Another reason why there is racism.
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posted July 26, 2007 05:55 AM |
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Yep, the travels of Jake and his wife, as the plane trip probably included a black stewardess and maybe a colored Senator as one of the passengers.
Seriously Jake, I'm sorry, where were you defending your racist attitude in this last response? Not that you should have to, I mean by all means bounce into your voting both with all the straight, white, oh, and religious candidates that you want. Just remember that like I said before a white president would be more likely to push for something like that.
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posted July 26, 2007 06:01 AM |
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ANother typical reply over hatred.
I dont feel like getting deep about why it could be disaster if a black president or even a woman president was elected.
We do it to ourselves.
Our families may of been racist. It was not like it was 70 yrs ago.
White presidents do not favor certain race nowadays.
If there was a black president Black people would be favored & lord knows how many riots & hell they would cause upon us.
There is too much of that crap.
Women president would just destroy the men so women can have more equal rights then men.
Way too many personal attacks for no reason at all.
Or maybe where certain people are from it does not even matter.
Even Arnold once to change the COnstitutuon & try to see if he can run for president in the future.
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posted July 26, 2007 06:03 AM |
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Not to mention the white people would start the riot as much as the the black people I forgot to mention.
I am not being a racist or feminist or however you want to call it.
A fact.
Men already are losing the equal rights lol.
It would be even worst.
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posted July 26, 2007 03:17 PM |
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In a way we already have reparations in the US. It's called Equal Opporunity Employment and other such programs. Those types of programs cost the taxpayers millions, maybe even billions of dollars. It's just that the payout is indirect rather than a direct cash payment.
Affirmative action is racist.
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posted July 26, 2007 03:52 PM |
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Affirmative action was started as an equalizer, to even the playing field so that all, including women and minorities, would have a chance. People are stepping on one another to get a job these days; there is still so much racism in the world that there are employers that will toss out an applicant of a colored or even a women.
I have a small confession to make, please no hate mail. When I was working in the Human Resource department of a medical office it was my job to hire and fire all employees. I knew in my head that since I was hiring to fill my position that not only the personality had to be there, but I did not want someone with ten kids that I was going to have to fill in for all the time. During the hiring process you are not allowed to ask certain questions, such as, do you have children or how old are you. So I would go through the whole process, then at the end we would chitchat, one on one. At that point I would get more personal to find out what I needed to know. Did she have a husband that had a good job, ( this meaning that she would not need her job as much), did she have children, if so what ages, and would she be a pain in my *** to train? I threw out one after the other that had small children, had the qualifications but the personality of a bowl of cheerios, and even some that seemed high maintenance. This has since come back to haunt me as I search for a job, and I feel bad about it as well, but it happens all the time.
So in these large companies affirmative action regulates this type of behavior and forces the employers to have a nice mix within the company. I think that it is really a good jump-start to us intermingling with other races and learning tolerance.
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posted July 26, 2007 04:03 PM |
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I think that businesses should hire the most qualified people regardless of race. What's the point of hiring people that suck?
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posted July 26, 2007 04:09 PM |
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Yea, equality.. I still say they should fix bad hoods before they buy some preppy highschool brand new PC's and everything
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posted July 26, 2007 04:17 PM |
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Yea, equality.. I still say they should fix bad hoods before they buy some preppy highschool brand new PC's and everything
How do you suggest they fix bad hoods? By spending money? By temporarily evicting the people that live there and building new houses there? Because, when they come back, they'll quickly make it as ****ty as it was before they left. Renewing ghettoes would be like throwing quarters down a well: you might hear a sound, but it won't make any difference.
The "preppy" high schools, on the other hand, benefit from all of the money that they get. They don't ruin their stuff.
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posted July 26, 2007 04:43 PM |
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I think that businesses should hire the most qualified people regardless of race. What's the point of hiring people that suck.
I agree that if you go through the schooling and you have the correct qualifications you should be hired over lets say, the pregnant 20 year old with no qualifications. However, what affirmative action does is makes large companies regulate the hiring process. So if ten coloreds walk in and ten whites walk in all with the same qualification, they are mandated to hire so many women, so many coloreds, and so many of what the hell is left over.
This does not apply to small business such as the office where I worked. Again with so much racism in the world, we have to be able to regulate some how. With the white male being the predominant large business owner it is hard to say who they would have under them, if left up to them maybe they would have all males working or all whites, hard to tell.
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posted July 26, 2007 04:44 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 16:45, 26 Jul 2007.
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In a way we already have reparations in the US. It's called Equal Opporunity Employment and other such programs. Those types of programs cost the taxpayers millions, maybe even billions of dollars. It's just that the payout is indirect rather than a direct cash payment.
Nice point, Binabik. At least the way that these programs are put into practice, this is true.
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Celfious
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posted July 26, 2007 04:54 PM |
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I'll get back to you on that Vas.
I have a plan but who really cares about my plan?
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posted July 26, 2007 04:59 PM |
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I agree that if you go through the schooling and you have the correct qualifications you should be hired over lets say, the pregnant 20 year old with no qualifications.
That's not what I'm talking about.
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However, what affirmative action does is makes large companies regulate the hiring process. So if ten coloreds walk in and ten whites walk in all with the same qualification, they are mandated to hire so many women, so many coloreds, and so many of what the hell is left over.
See, now, that's stupid and wrong. They shouldn't be mandated to hire anyone. And rarely is anyone equally qualified compared to someone else. Everyone is different. But businesses often have to hire an African-American that can barely do the job (because of the quotas) than a Caucasian who can do the job well. Of course, they wouldn't hire someone who works really poorly, but, thanks to affirmative action, they won't hire the most qualified one most of the time.
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This does not apply to small business such as the office where I worked. Again with so much racism in the world, we have to be able to regulate some how. With the white male being the predominant large business owner it is hard to say who they would have under them, if left up to them maybe they would have all males working or all whites, hard to tell.
You're beginning to sound like Consis. "I don't like white business owners because they would favor whites." Most businesses just want to make money. And the best way to make money is to work well. The best means to that end is to hire the best workers, regardless of race or gender, which is what businesses would do, if it weren't for affirmative action. It's not the government's job to regulate whom businesses hire. The free market will sort it all out: the racist business owners' white-male-only businesses won't be as successful as the ones that hire people purely on merit.
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I'll get back to you on that Vas.
I have a plan but who really cares about my plan?
You still haven't answered anything I wrote in my replies to your posts. And I'd like to see your plan.
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posted July 26, 2007 05:22 PM |
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Hey sparky hold up for a moment, first off do your health a favor and don't ever compare me to Consis. I was having a civil debate and nothing more.
Normally I give the under twenty fives on here a chance to bellow before stepping into the playground with them.I see that you are fifteen, is this correct?
Ok I will be nice about this even though you will probably get upset with me.
I have hired emploees and therefore without working in a large company know how the small timers hire their employees. It is based off who they know, the color you are, and what does or does not swings between their legs. Sure qualifications are nice, but I have witnessed racism in the work place and gender favoring. How you might ask, because at 33 I have a had my share of jobs and been in hire up positions, so I'm therefor speaking from EXPERIENCE.
Equal opportunity does not mean that they hire people who are not qualified for the job. It means they are required to have a good mix of QUALIFIED people working for them. Understand again, that small business does not apply and they make up a large portion of employment especially in small rural towns.
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Of course, they wouldn't hire someone who works really poorly, but, thanks to affirmative action, they won't hire the most qualified one most of the time.
And you know this because of your vast work experiences? or are you just guessing because that is an easy way to disagree with me?
I like you MV but don't compare me to Consis, not ever....
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posted July 26, 2007 05:29 PM |
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Hey sparky hold up for a moment, first off do your health a favor and don't ever compare me to Consis. I was having a civil debate and nothing more.
Your comment seemed quite similar to what Consis usually says about Black politicians.
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Normally I give the under twenty fives on here a chance to bellow before stepping into the playground with them.I see that you are fifteen, is this correct?
Yes, I am fifteen. And I would be grateful if you would not dismiss my words simply because of my age.
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I have hired emploees and therefore without working in a large company know how the small timers hire their employees. It is based off who they know, the color you are, and what does or does not swings between their legs.
That's a stupid way to hire. And they'll do worse because of it.
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Sure qualifications are nice, but I have witnessed racism in the work place and gender favoring. How you might ask, because at 33 I have a had my share of jobs and been in hire up positions, so I'm therefor speaking from EXPERIENCE.
I realize that you have EXPERIENCE. However, you have to consider the free market.
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Equal opportunity does not mean that they hire people who are not qualified for the job. It means they are required to have a good mix of QUALIFIED people working for them.
There are qualified people, and then there are qualified people. Businesses would benefit most from hiring the best people, not merely qualified ones.
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Understand again, that small business does not apply and they make up a large portion of employment especially in small rural towns.
I live in a small rural town. I understand how that works.
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