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ThunderTitan
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posted October 24, 2007 03:52 PM


WEll it's a wiki, so anyone can edit it if they want...
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posted October 27, 2007 12:13 PM

Well, something strange happens.

See that:
Here you can see how Karigor and Jadame are connected:



You can see that Jadame in the South seems to be connected to Karigor in the North.


Maps of Jadame (and Karigor?):









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posted November 07, 2007 11:45 PM

How did you come up with the dating of the births of the Ironfists and the time between Strategic Quest, Succession Wars and Restoration?  If this timeline is correct it puts Crag Hack, Gem, and Sandro at 80 or more years old by the time of the Reconing. Gem has her fountain of youth and Sandro is a Lich, but Crag Hack would still be an old man by that time, unless he is actually of dwarven blood as suggested in MM3, which makes him of resonable age for a dwarf. Most of the other Heroes from HoMM1 and 2 dissapear by HoMM3 so we can assume they have died off.  

The PoL campaigns are hard to place but I envisioned them occuring prior to Tarnum with the unification of Tribes occuring shortly after the silence.  The Decendends timeline takes about 300 years.  Joseph (the first) who is rescued in Decendends 3 appears in the wizard ilses, placing that campaign between Dec 2 and 3. Possibly the wizard who discovers the Fount of Wizardry becomes Gavin Magnus and this is where his immortality stems from.  The empire in PoL campaign could be the early Griffenheart empire. The voyage home probably happens after PoL as the heroes necromancer sister I believe takes part in the final PoL campaign map.  

Finally shouldn't Clash of the Dragons happen after Armagedon's Blade? Mutare doesnt come to power until the time of Armagedon blade.    


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posted November 08, 2007 12:32 AM
Edited by Cepheus at 00:43, 08 Nov 2007.

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How did you come up with the dating of the births of the Ironfists and the time between Strategic Quest, Succession Wars and Restoration?  If this timeline is correct it puts Crag Hack, Gem, and Sandro at 80 or more years old by the time of the Reconing. Gem has her fountain of youth and Sandro is a Lich, but Crag Hack would still be an old man by that time, unless he is actually of dwarven blood as suggested in MM3, which makes him of resonable age for a dwarf. Most of the other Heroes from HoMM1 and 2 dissapear by HoMM3 so we can assume they have died off.  


The Ironfist birth dates was simply reasonable guessing.  Roland and Archie can't be much older than 24-25 during their Wars, or they'd be in their sixties by Day of the Destroyer... and take into account that Roland has a 10 year old son in Mandate of Heaven (fill in the blanks there yourself)

Also Gem states that she is sixty years old in Shadow of Death so I tried to conform with this.

Personally I don't consider most of the Heroes I characters as part of the canon since most of them are recycled from MM4 and 5 and can't really be in two places at once...  Yog, Crag Hack, Gem, Lord Kilburn, Lord Haart, Falagar, Fineous, Alamar, Halon and the campaign heroes are exceptions since they have a firm story basis in future games.  Now as for Crag Hack's age, that's something I can't really explain but notice in MM6 that Enrothians can live well beyond the age of 100.

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The PoL campaigns are hard to place but I envisioned them occuring prior to Tarnum with the unification of Tribes occuring shortly after the silence.


As I see it, the Silence would have taken a fair amount of time to cause the world to descend into proper barbarism.  Tarnum's campaigns take place in Antagarich but I assume that Jarkonas's take place in Enroth.

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 The Decendends timeline takes about 300 years.  Joseph (the first) who is rescued in Decendends 3 appears in the wizard ilses, placing that campaign between Dec 2 and 3.


Uncle Ivan also appears in Wizard's Isle, mission 4... there's a lot of peculiar cameos in PoL and I thought it best to disregard them while placing them around the timeline.

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Possibly the wizard who discovers the Fount of Wizardry becomes Gavin Magnus and this is where his immortality stems from.


You know, I actually had a story going for a campaign I planned to make turning that wizard into the guy who becomes Tamar the Wanderer from Armageddon's Blade...

But that can't be Magnus, or at least not the source of his immortality because he first dies during the events of Warlords of the Wastelands (explained in Masters of the Elements) and not even he knows exactly how he became immortal.

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The empire in PoL campaign could be the early Griffenheart empire.


I doubt it.  Erathia has never been referred to as an Empire and none of the Gryphonhearts ever called themselves Emperor... theoretically it could be the Jadamean or Phynaxian empire but since it appears in Heroes II I like to assume it takes place in Enroth.

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The voyage home probably happens after PoL as the heroes necromancer sister I believe takes part in the final PoL campaign map.  


The cameo thing again.  It's hard to place those campaigns at all so I have to make a few assumptions.

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Finally shouldn't Clash of the Dragons happen after Armagedon's Blade? Mutare doesnt come to power until the time of Armagedon blade.    


Notice that there is no proof of this in her campaign.  The other four have passing references to each other (Playing With Fire mentions the Demon Wars and Kilgor's succession, Armageddon's Blade features Judge Sleen ending up in Dracon's army) but there is nothing to suggest that Dragon's Blood takes place in the Armageddon's Blade timeline.  Plus Clash of the Dragons mentions the King of Erathia (Nicolas Gryphonheart, who else since Kendal didn't get to choose a successor for Catherine) being alive and well, so logically it takes place before his assasination by Lord Haart.  It couldn't really have taken place during the Shadow of Death war since Tarnum says in Clash of the Dragons that he became a Ranger when Gelu did (so during the events of Elixir of Life, mission 1), thus the months before the Restoration Wars are the most likely timeframe.

Thanks a lot for the questions, I love answering this stuff.  If you see any other problems or whatnot please don't hesitate to tell me.

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posted November 08, 2007 01:10 AM

I can't believe I've missed such great thread Excellent job,Ceph,with this I appreciate Heroes even more. One small wish: could you make maps bigger or post links where there are bigger versions of the because I don't see very clearly on the ones you posted.Thx in advance
You really are Keeper of Might and Magic Lore...
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posted November 08, 2007 09:08 AM

Wow, I'm speechless.

This is probably on the most informative threads I've seen.  There's so much information in here it's blowing my mind.  Wow.

Excellent job, I'd give you a gold star if I could.
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posted November 08, 2007 12:13 PM

I also just stumbled into this thread. Whatever I'm gonna say won't add any additional valuable information. But I just feel obliged to post to express my appreciation to Cepheus. You're something man. I bow to the Keeper...
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posted November 08, 2007 03:00 PM

All is great job Cepheus

Thanx for info and Congratulations!

"Cepheus'un řerefine..."

(Meaning Cheers for Cepheus in Turkish)
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posted November 08, 2007 05:49 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:53, 08 Nov 2007.

I can't understand why you guys are so thankful. Most of the info on page 1 is incomplete and my updated version is a looooong way from being released.  I won't even begin to work on it properly until I've finished working on some mods for Heroes V...

But many thanks to all anyway

@Asheron: sure, I'll post a few links soon.  Or you could Google "Antagarich", "Jadame", "Enroth" or whatever and look up the image results.

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posted November 08, 2007 06:51 PM

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I can't understand why you guys are so thankful.


Well, if you insist...

YoU SuCK, mAn! ThIs thinGiE is not full and tHat's NOT kewl.


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Cepheus
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posted November 08, 2007 06:52 PM

That's more like it!

No, seriously... get out of my thread!

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posted November 08, 2007 07:33 PM

I agree, you are are doing a great job with the history.

For the HoMM 1 and 2 heroes, for the most part there is an easy explantion for how they got from Xeen, Terra, Cron or Varn.  There was a systemwide disruption in the Gate system that caused portals to open on all the ancients worlds.  These heroes (except the ones on the spaceship) investigated the portals and got ported to Colony World.  There are a few discrepencies that I will try to explain.

Crag Hack, Kastore and Maxamus - I assume the Lincoln settled into a decaying orbit and the Terra heroes teleported down (wearing their survival suites which they then stashed away until the orbit decayed and the ship crashed into the ocean).  Its possible that the heroes inexperience with the teleport system caused the problems to start with the Gate network.  

Morglin Ironfist - Its questionable this is the same Lord Ironfist as seen in Varn as the backstory shows him to be less then virtuous.  Possible he is the son of the original Lord Ironfist, who knowing his sons week character past the title on to his cousin.  

Alamar - It could be that King Alamar was driven insane by his imprisonment or perhaps he was always like that and maybe his dabling with dark magics alowed Sheltem to access Varn and imprison him.  

Yog - Its possible that he crossed over with his Genie mother and Barbarian father and at first they settled with the Barbarians before his mother and he went to Bracarda.  

Lord Kilburn - Could be the original or a son.  He dies just prior to MM6 and I don't think we have an age for him

Gem - She either found a fountain of youth on Colony or brought the component with her from Xeen that made the fountain function there.  If it was a compenent from Xeen, she did not have time to return to her fountain and retrieve it before the world was destroyed and she excaped.

Sandro - He is the toughest to explain. I'll make the assumption that dispite the portrait, he is not a Lich in Homm1 and 2.  He escapes from Colony with the rest and then at some point he comes in conflict with Crag Hack again and in order to escape creates a portal (whether this is interstellar or interdimentional we don't know yet) joins the followers of Asha and trains Markal.  Crag Hack who followed him though the portal eventually catches up with him in Markal's castle and it is thought he is destroyed, but he again is able to create a quick portal. The portal is disrupted, sending him not only back to Colony but back in time and slightly out of dimentional phase so he is flung in into the hell dimention connected to Colony and eventually meats Tarnum.  Escaping Tarnum though a portal again he ends up on Xeen and founds the Necropolis there.

Crag Hack again - He is severly wounded in the final battle with Sandro and loses an eye.  The orcs in his army take him back to their shaman who determine the only way to save him is to introduce demon blood into his system converting him to an orc.  He recovers and shortens his name to a more orcish name, Kragh.

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posted November 08, 2007 11:53 PM

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I agree, you are are doing a great job with the history.


Thank you very much.

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For the HoMM 1 and 2 heroes, for the most part there is an easy explantion for how they got from Xeen, Terra, Cron or Varn.  There was a systemwide disruption in the Gate system that caused portals to open on all the ancients worlds.  These heroes (except the ones on the spaceship) investigated the portals and got ported to Colony World.  There are a few discrepencies that I will try to explain.


A major problem with this is that the systemwide disruption would have affected Ardon, Axeoth and the other nacelle worlds in the Spinward Rim, more or less ravaging much of the timeline in totally unpredictable ways.  This clearly didn't happen or we'd have all sorts of carrrrrazy cameos everywhere (well, outside PoL)

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Crag Hack, Kastore and Maxamus - I assume the Lincoln settled into a decaying orbit and the Terra heroes teleported down (wearing their survival suites which they then stashed away until the orbit decayed and the ship crashed into the ocean).  Its possible that the heroes inexperience with the teleport system caused the problems to start with the Gate network.  


Immensely doubtful.  For one thing, that Crag Hack was a Dwarf whereas our Enrothian chum is a different character altogether (a human, despite the portrait), and our Maximus would have been too brutal in my eyes to even consider serving in the Enrothian armies.

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Morglin Ironfist - Its questionable this is the same Lord Ironfist as seen in Varn as the backstory shows him to be less then virtuous.  Possible he is the son of the original Lord Ironfist, who knowing his sons week character past the title on to his cousin.  


I agree, I doubt that Morglin is the guy from Varn.  After all, there was no mention of any magic on the world he came from in the Heroes I manual, and neither Ragnar nor Guthbert made any appearances on Varn.

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Alamar - It could be that King Alamar was driven insane by his imprisonment or perhaps he was always like that and maybe his dabling with dark magics alowed Sheltem to access Varn and imprison him.  


King Alamar isn't evil (as opposed to the Heroes II and III Warlock), that really is the whole basis of Sheltem's failure in Might and Magic I.  If he were it would at least have tarnished the story somewhat.

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Yog - Its possible that he crossed over with his Genie mother and Barbarian father and at first they settled with the Barbarians before his mother and he went to Bracarda.  


Not really likely, since such a crossing would have taken many years at best, and Yog states that he has trained among the Bracadans since 'his youth' during Birth of a Barbarian.  I realise Genies are immortal, but his human blood would have some sort of effect on his age anyway.

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Lord Kilburn - Could be the original or a son.  He dies just prior to MM6 and I don't think we have an age for him


Got no problems with this, other than my belief that the Varn guy has no connections to the Enroth one.

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Gem - She either found a fountain of youth on Colony or brought the component with her from Xeen that made the fountain function there.  If it was a compenent from Xeen, she did not have time to return to her fountain and retrieve it before the world was destroyed and she excaped.


She says she is sixty years old a few times (no A.S. dates are given in Might and Magic 1-5 but surely it would have taken a while to travel from Xeen to Colony), and she also emphasises in the campaign that her homeland in Enroth was destroyed by Necromancers...

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Sandro - He is the toughest to explain.

(I didn't want to waste space quoting the whole thing)

The portal stuff would probably work if it weren't for the universal fact about dimensional travel on this page.  Plus, Sandro was definitely a Lich in and around the end of Heroes II since that's just about long enough for him to 'forget' his time as a human (Rise of the Necromancer, mission 1) and it's also made pretty clear there that he was originally an Enrothian human.

What's with him meeting Tarnum in hell?

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Crag Hack again - He is severly wounded in the final battle with Sandro and loses an eye.  The orcs in his army take him back to their shaman who determine the only way to save him is to introduce demon blood into his system converting him to an orc.  He recovers and shortens his name to a more orcish name, Kragh.


I guess it could work, if it weren't for the above.

Your ideas and explanations are overall pretty interesting, but with all due respect I think many of them are way too far fetched.  For example, if so many people had managed to perform interstellar travel, there wouldn't have been such a big ruckus about it when Resurrectra, Caneghem and Hack opened the Gate at the end of Might and Magic VII, and the Kreegans wouldn't have had half the same impact on the planet when the 'natives' came across them since they'd already have come across them on some other worlds.  You also didn't explain Crodo, Kalindra or Prince Roland...  And personally I have problems with trying to link Ashan with Colony.

Basically it's just far simpler to assume that there's two of every person...

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posted November 09, 2007 07:34 PM
Edited by Silvguard at 19:36, 09 Nov 2007.

You are correct that it would be easier to assume there are two of every person but that is 40 from homm1 and another 20 or so from homm2.  The Gate network wouldnt have had to be entirely disrupted just the gates in the vacinity of Terra.  We can assume the CRON/VARN World Ship is still in the vacinity of Terra and the Xeen is fairly close, possibly in the same star system.  The portals would have been disrupted only for a short time.  

Crag Hack starts as a Human actually in MM1 and becomes a dwarf in MM3 and then is back to being human in the Homm storylines.  I don't think MM7 specifies what he is.  We could just ignore the dwarf part, or we could say some magical means turned him into a dwarf and then back to a human (there were magic pools to change sex, why not one to change race?).  

Alamar could also be a son of the King Alamar.  And acutally we don't know that the Alamar in the Homms is necessarily evil.  We know he lead the warlok faction in Homm1 and he served Archibald in Homm2.  His Homm3 bio indicates he is a fugitive from enroth now serving the overlords.  

Yog could have been young when we meet him on Xeen (I think or was it Terra).  A teen left in charge of his fathers village while he was gone.  He then travels though the portal, gets caught up in the first war, then goes to Bracarda.

Gem could have adopted the land of enroth as her homeland.  The necromancers played a big part in the succession war and Archibald does send a force to destroy the sorceresses which Roland's general has to save them from.

Sandro's portal would have been a non specific quick escape.  Not something he would routinely use.  He has no idea where it will take him and only used it a last resort.  This will not contradict Gauldroth's statement as Sandro is not trying to get to any specific location.  The fact that he ends up back on Colony is just luck.  The Hell I am refering to is the 3rd mission of Conquest of the Underwolrd. Normally I would discount the standard homm3 hero apperinces in the historical chronicals but Tarnum specifically names Sandro in his storyline text.
As for Lich form, Sandro starts Shadow of death in human form and over the course of the campains decays to skeletal form.  The only other explaination is he used a vampiric ability to regenerate his flesh so the 4 heroes would not recognize him as a necromancer.
Prince Roland from Xeen is obviously not Roland Ironfist, that is one of the few coincidentaly naming.  Kalindra could be the queen from Xeen.  Crodo is rescued in Clouds of Xeen so there is no problem with him crossing over that I recall.  As I said Alamar's faction in Homm1 is not necisarily evil and Crodo could have been duped into serving Archibald.
The Gates would not necessarily been public knowledge.  Remember these heroes would have arived just before a major war.  Afterward they might not want to advertise that they are from another world especially on a world that has had invasions by demons from other worlds in the past.  







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posted November 09, 2007 08:14 PM

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You are correct that it would be easier to assume there are two of every person but that is 40 from homm1 and another 20 or so from homm2.


No less reasonable than assuming there are 60 people in Colony, all of them distinguished heroes, who are from different planets and have never once mentioned this at all to anyone on Colony, nor does such info appear in any of their biographies.

Notice that most of the Heroes II guys were retconned by NWC in Heroes IV anyway.

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The Gate netowork wouldnt have had to be entirely disrupted just the gates in the vacinity of Terra.  We can assume the CRON/VARN World Ship is still in the vacinity of Terra and the Xeen is fairly close, possibly in the same star system.


They'd have to be.  All of the planets in the MM series, including the Nacelles, are within the Spinward Rim region of the solar system in which the games take place.  That's the area the Kreegans managed to cut off from the rest when the Silence occured.

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Crag Hack starts as a Human actually in MM1 and becomes a dwarf in MM3 and then is back to being human in the Homm storylines.  I don't think MM7 specifies what he is.  We could just ignore the dwarf part, or we could say some magical means turned him into a dwarf and then back to a human (there were magic pools to change sex, why not one to change race?).  


There's absolutely, positively, certainly two characters named Crag Hack, otherwise the storyline of Shadow of Death would simply not be reasonably possible.  And another small scrap of proof - at the start of his first scenario in Unholy Alliance, he explains he is "on my way to visit some relatives in Erathia..." though any relatives dwarven Crag Hack could have are on Terra.

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Alamar could also be a son of the King Alamar.  And acutally we don't know that the Alamar in the Homms is necessarily evil.  We know he lead the warlok faction in Homm1 and he served Archibald in Homm2.  His Homm3 bio indicates he is a fugitive from enroth now serving the overlords.  


He's going to appear in Legends of the Ancients Book IV so we'll know how evil he is by then.  How likely is it that 7 or more of the MM1-5 characters had sons with the same name and title?

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Yog could have been young when we meet him on Xeen (I think or was it Terra).  A teen left in charge of his fathers village while he was gone.  He then travels though the portal, gets caught up in the first war, then goes to Bracarda.


Birth of the Barbarian (literally the very first thing Yog says):

"All my life I have been studying magic under the Wizards of Bracada to please my mother, a Genie."

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Gem could have adopted the land of enroth as her homeland.  The necromancers played a big part in the succession war and Archibald does send a force to destroy the sorceresses which Roland's general has to save them from.


She couldn't have done that since she was only a small girl when a horde of skeletons ravaged her home village.  And she was at least what, 30-40 in the Succession Wars?

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Sandro's portal would have been a non specific quick escape.  Not something he would routinely use.  He has no idea where it will take him and only used it a last resort.  This will not contradict Gauldroth's statement as Sandro is not trying to get to any specific location.


Although it still wouldn't have had nearly enough energy to teleport him to Colony.  Despite Sandro's incredible power he's still not capable of that.  The fact is that magical portals simply aren't capable of instigating travel of that magnitude.  Only technological portals such as the Gate and the Axeoth portals can do that sort of thing.

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The fact that he ends up back on Colony is just luck.  The Hell I am refering to is the 3rd mission of Conquest of the Underwolrd. Normally I would discount the standard homm3 hero apperinces in the historical chronicals but Tarnum specifically names Sandro in his storyline text.


While we're on the subject of specific naming, how do we explain Alkin, Mirlanda and Broghild appearing in WotW scenario 4?  Yog in WotW scenario 6?  Xyron (an Efreeti) being called a Demon in TFM scenario 4?

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As for Lich form, Sandro starts Shadow of death in human form and over the course of the campains decays to skeletal form.  The only other explaination is he used a vampiric ability to regenerate his flesh so the 4 heroes would not recognize him as a necromancer.


You're half right, half wrong.  He wasn't human at all during Heroes III.  From scenario 3 of Rise of the Necromancer:

"You are greeted with sharpened sticks pointed directly at your face.  A stout dwarf passes between his tribesmen and approaches.  "Who goes there?" he demands.  Before he can see your face, an illusion covers your bones with flesh."

which is what he's been doing to Gem and Crag all along.

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Prince Roland from Xeen is obviously not Roland Ironfist, that is one of the few coincidentaly naming.  Kalindra could be the queen from Xeen.  Crodo is rescued in Clouds of Xeen so there is no problem with him crossing over that I recall.  As I said Alamar's faction in Homm1 is not necisarily evil and Crodo could have been duped into serving Archibald.


Alamar's faction = Warlocks of Enroth.  Warlocks of Enroth = Castle Kriegspire.  Kriegspire = terrible place infested with mutated half-breed experimental creatures, chaotic Dragons and later Kreegans.  Also, Warlocks = allied with Nighon.  Nighon = allies of the Kreegans.  Kreegans = evil.

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The Gates would not necessarily been public knowledge.  Remember these heroes would habe arived just before a major war.  Afterward they might not want to advertise that they are from another world especially on a world that has had invasions by demons from other worlds in the past.  


Even if we were to introduce the notion that almost every Enrothian general and leader has come to the world from an entirely different planet (that's over forty people who by sheer coincidence all end up becoming high-ranking warriors and mages), it really is inconceivable that not a single one of them would have gone around shouting about their arrival.  And, without a doubt, Melian (the Oracle from MM6) would have had something to say on the matter when Archibald and later the MM6 party spoke to her, since she was divulging so much relevant info on the subject without qualms.

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posted November 11, 2007 07:59 PM
Edited by silvguard at 00:16, 12 Nov 2007.

Well I guess it doesn't really affect the timeline whether they did come from another world or not.  I would still like to find a way to make it work.  

Going back to timelines, I worked out a timeline of the Ashan Scenarios (Its a lot easier to do then the Colony timeline).  The original HommV listed dates for all the stand alone scenarios.  HoF scenarios I believe all occur concurently inbetween the orginal campaigns and the HoF campaigns.  The ToE scenarios are historcal again with no dates listed but we can get them from the timeline.
HoF Campaign seems to take place about 6 mos after the end of the original and ToE follows on directly from the end of HoF.

Between 467and 504 Battle Cry Freedom (Orc)
504 The Cup of Thunder (Orc)
566 The Days of Fire (Elf)
566 Hate Breeds Hate (Dark Elf)
568 Defiance (Dark Elf)
751 An Island of One's own (Necromancer)
820 Mahir's Gambit (Wizard)
843 Falcon's Last FLight (Demon)
952 A Tear for Ossif (Elf)
954 Hot Persuit (Haven)
C954 Agrael's Trial (Demon)
969 The Queen (Haven Campaign)
969 The Cultist (Demon Campaign)
969 The Necromancer (Necromancer Campaign)
969 The Warlok (Dark Elf Campaign)
969 The Ranger (Elf Campaign)
969 The Mage (Wizard Campaign)
c970 In Search of Power (Demon)
C970 Iron Thorne (Dwarf)
C970 New Enemies (Elf)
C970 Temptation (Wizard)
C970 The Union (Necromancer)
C970 Freyda's Dilemma (Haven Campaign)
C970 Wulfstan's Defiance (Dwarf Campaign)
C970 Ylaya's Quest (Dark Elf Campaign)
C970 Rage of the Tribes (Orc)
C970 The Will of Asha (Necromancer Capaign)
C970 To Honor our Fathers (Orc Campaign)
Note: Previous 2 campaigns have a cross over cut scene at the end of each mission 4 indicating that events are happening concurrently. The final campaign starts at the end of Orc5.
C970 Flying to the Rescue (Wizard)
C990 Dark Messiah



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Cepheus
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posted November 11, 2007 08:23 PM

I would put Iron Throne far earlier, otherwise great job.

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silvguard
silvguard

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posted November 11, 2007 11:36 PM

Yes I wasn't sure about Iron Throne since nothing was updated on the official timeline about dwarves.  I remember some of those missions referencing the Queens war, but dont remember if the dwarf one did.  Agreal's Trial I'm not sure of exact placement either, do we see the previous aid to the Soveriegn die in any of the missions?  It has to happen sometime after Isabels birth since the Soveriegn sends Agreal to start watching her after the mission.  I'm going to have to play through some of them again.

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Xarfax111
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posted November 12, 2007 01:23 AM

wow and i thought i do waste my time...
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Cepheus
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posted November 12, 2007 04:59 PM

What, so you think it's a waste of time to try and put down all the facts on the old storyline and make it more understandable for everyone?  Because if so you don't have to stick around.

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