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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 19, 2007 09:50 PM |
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Hey guys, I don't know whether you are acquainted with ancient Bulgarian history, but these stronghold heroes DO look like the khans of that time. Perhaps Bulgaria should sue Ubisoft and Nival.
Just for reference, here are some pictures:
Tell me what you think, as for me, I've found the basis for the stronghold...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 19, 2007 10:47 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 00:24, 20 Nov 2007.
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I was thinking of the Mongols. They were nomadic people that thrived in warfare, you may have heard of Genghis Khan 
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted November 19, 2007 10:59 PM |
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Jhengis?
Isnt there supposed to be a Z in there somewhere? Or an R or something.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 20, 2007 12:14 AM |
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Edited by Maurice at 00:15, 20 Nov 2007.
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Genghis Khan and the Mongol tribes were also the ones I was thinking of. Of course, Atilla the Hun came from somewhere that region as well, before he and his troops settled for Hungary (named after the Huns). So I guess it's also part of the folklore of the region.
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Darkavatar
Adventuring Hero
Overlord Divine
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posted November 20, 2007 08:25 AM |
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The orc history is more like the Jewish for me. Orcs where slaves for the wizards and humans (Farao and Egyptians). Then Kunyak free them (Moses) and led them away. When the humas followed by boat, they where sanked by a storm (the waterway in the red sea). After that they could live peacfully in Rannar and the Barrier Islands (Israel).
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What is it exactly we have created. It is "New World Order".
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted November 20, 2007 09:57 AM |
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 20, 2007 05:15 PM |
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Actually, the mongols, the huns and the bulgarians are very similar because they had a similar nomadic way of life, came from almost one and the same region and time (huns and bulgarians), and, there were bulgarian riders on horseback in Atilla's armies.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 20, 2007 06:54 PM |
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Atilla and the Mongols from the same time? I beg to differ  . Atilla rampaged around against the late Roman Empire, around 400 AD. Genghis Khan sent his rampaging hordes along the way around 1150-1225 AD. That's about 800 years difference. For comparison, the time between current day and Genghis Khan is about as big as the difference between Genghis Khan and Atilla the Hun.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 20, 2007 07:22 PM |
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I meant that both Huns and Mongols were nomadic tribes (not the exact term I think) who excelled at fighting on horseback, had powerful cavalry and so on. The Bulgarian tribes and the Huns have those things in common as well as that they (BG and HU) were from roughly the same time. A foolish attack from the Westgoths (if I'm mistyping the name, correct me) resulted in a counter attack by the Huns that made the goths flee into Roman territory. Later, the Huns captured Rome (with Bulgarian cavalry ) - Atilla, and his kingdom perished soon after his death.
Misunderstanding cleared?
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 20, 2007 07:36 PM |
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During the movement of the Huns to the west from the Volga, the Bulgars, who lived in the regions of Northern Caucasus and Azerbaijan, joined in. Before that the Bulgars served the Alanian ruler prince Boz-Urus. When the leader of the Huns, Bulümar, raised a banner of a Dulo clan (Khan Asparuh, who founded the Bulgarian state on the Balkans in 681 AD, was from the Dulo clan) “a red felt ball witha tail of multi-colored stripes on it” (1; 11), Bulgars understood that the closely related Huns are coming, and switched sides.
The senior son of Bulümar, Alyp-bi (Prince Alyp) with a corps of Bulgars and Huns defeated Sadumians (Scandinavians) and forced them to escape to Italy. Then he forded the Danube and routed an 80 000 Byzantian army (1;13). It happened in 378 under Adrianople (Bulgars called it Kan - Dare).
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In 451 Attila set off against the Visigoths from the bank of the Tisza to the bank of the Rhine. The major reason of the campaign: the king of the Visigoths poisoned his wife, Attila’s sister. In the second half of June 451 at the Catalaunian Plains (modern province of Champagne in France) the two most powerful armies of Europe clashed. In Attila’s army, besides Huns, were Bulgars, Ostgoths under the leadership of three brothers (Valamir, Thiudimer, Vidimer), and Gepids under the leadership of Ardaric. The Visigothic king Theodorid and an outstanding commander Aetius led the Roman army. In this army, besides Visigoths and Romans, were Alans.
Attila won the battle. Both sides lost 180 thousand soldiers each. In Europe, there was now no force capable to resist Attila.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 20, 2007 08:45 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 20:51, 20 Nov 2007.
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It must have been a truly terrible battle, with several hundreds of thousands of casualties. I don't think history has seen larger numbers perish in a single battle ever (although some in World War I came close). The Huns attacked, expecting to kill Aetius, if I remember correctly, but they ended up only killing king Theodorid.
Edit: Just to read up a bit more on the details, I looked up this event on the wikipedia. It refers to several calculations and estimates on how many troops could be fielded logically, considering population densities of that time and army counts. The total number of participants mentioned is at around 100,000. Still a large number, but only about 25% of those mentioned elsewhere.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 20, 2007 09:19 PM |
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You are probably right, Maurice. You know, each people tells their national history in a way that differs greatly from the way others see the same events. There is no truly objective overview. For example, Bulgarians talk about the Turkish Yoke, and Turks talk about Ottoman presence. Question of perspective...
Er, perhaps now we can go back to Heroes V and the orcish YOKE
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Darkavatar
Adventuring Hero
Overlord Divine
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posted November 21, 2007 08:10 AM |
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Quote:
Er, perhaps now we can go back to Heroes V and the orcish YOKE
Thats a good ida.
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Legendary_hero
Known Hero
Stronghold Warchief
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posted November 21, 2007 06:07 PM |
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I am proud to be BG
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Don't look back because you will...die?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted November 21, 2007 07:35 PM |
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sfidanza
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 22, 2007 04:47 PM |
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Edited by sfidanza at 23:35, 26 Nov 2007.
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If you're waiting for the polish or czech (or I assume, hungarian) release of ToE, which was expected end of November, then I have a sad news for you: it seems that these localizations (by CD Projekt), have been pushed back to January 2008.
As far as I know, the only official clue is the CD Projekt czech release schedule:
http://www.cdprojekt.com/plan_wydawniczy.asp?site=cz
where ToE is planned for january 31st.
It hasn't changed yet in the polish schedule,
http://www.cdprojekt.com/plan_wydawniczy.asp?site=pl
I don't have any official explanation yet. But my czech/polish is not so good (at all!) so if you find something, let us know.
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pinkspear
Known Hero
Crazy like a fool
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posted November 22, 2007 05:09 PM |
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If you're waiting for the polish or czech (or I assume, hungarian) release of ToE, which was expected end of November, then I have a sad news for you: it seems that these localizations (by CD Projekt), have been pushed back to January 2008.
WTF???? K@&%!6! I don't understand why translating takes so much time(notice that the hungarian translation are usually very ridiculous, and you can find plenty amateur translations which are often better than the official). Anyways, I'll check some reliable sites and tell you if I find anything useful related to Middle-Europian release dates
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted November 22, 2007 05:55 PM |
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I work as a translator and believe me, it DOES take time, especially if they can't find a translator who has knowledge about the Heroes series.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted November 22, 2007 07:19 PM |
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LOL for 10.01.2008  
TY CDP
Lol their first announce proclaimed 18 October as release date!
 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted November 22, 2007 10:17 PM |
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Just learn English, end of problem.
To be honest, if a game is released in both English and a Dutch version, I prefer getting the English one (being Dutch myself). It's my experience that stuff *always* gets lost in translation. And that's pretty general, it doesn't just count for games, but for TV series and movies as well. In the cases that I really need a translation, I'd prefer subtitles.
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