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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Artifacts sets discussion - A comparison
Thread: Artifacts sets discussion - A comparison [ This thread is 3 pages long: (1) 2 3 ]
ismail222
ismail222


Known Hero
The Cataclysm
posted October 27, 2007 01:21 PM
Edited by ismail222 at 19:21, 08 Jan 2008.

Artifacts sets discussion - A comparison

Ok,this thread is to discuss the artifacts sets,as Alc suggested..okie let's get started
P.S : these are only my opinions on artifacts sets,feel free to post urs,anyways..

Dragon Set : to be honest when i first saw the bonuces of the dragon set i thought it was overpowered,but now i dun think it is,since it's too hard to get in a singleplayer game,and almost impossible in a multiplayer one,but pretty cool bonuces(All items are major)

Archer's Dream : this set is for sure very strong and helpful,possible to get and can be alot of use,espically that it's artifacts themselves give strong bonuces(both major)

Dwarven King's Armors : this set is very decent and helpful for defensive heroes but once again,it's kinda hard to get the full set T.T(all the items ar relics)

Death's Embrace : that's one nice set improving banshee howl greatly and the set items themselves decrease morale and luck and initiative that's one good set but once again not obtainable in quick games like small-med maps (3 relics,1 minor)

Lion's Spirit : this set is very helpful espcially for a warlock since they need the fast casting and u can use RuneForce with this set and it's not that hard to get (1minor,1major,1relic)

RuneForce : for sure overpowered doubles elemental vision effect o.o???that's what the ultimate skill does and the set isn't that hard to obtain,and if u can have rage of the elements and this set u're incredible (2 majors) i had rage of the elements and this set in 1 game the spell does 5k dmg and the element dmg does 10k 0.o

Sar-Isuss Regalia : very powerful set indeed,doubling the spellpower and mana is infact a briliant idea,but once again hard to obtain T.T and moving back 10% less while casting is a great bonuce and also 10% more for wizards is like 50% if u have sorcery,which is very very strong,set well done (4 majors)

Vestment Of Enlightenment : mediocre set,great for lvling and not so hard to obtain (2 majors)

Weapons Of Might : for sure this one is a creature boost set very strong for creatures like another lvl of blood rage,not so hard to obtain (2 majors)

Will Of Urgash : very great set just 2 easy gained items increasing gating by 25%,for sure a great set for a gating type of hero (1minor,1major)
please correct me at any point u want and feel free to post ur opinion

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WarLore
WarLore


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servant of urgash
posted October 27, 2007 01:40 PM
Edited by WarLore at 06:54, 30 Oct 2007.

i have two times chance get the full power of dragons set,only one artifact was missing,dragon flame tongue it is impossible to get
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Doomforge
Doomforge

Hero of Order
Mayhem Elemental
posted October 27, 2007 03:19 PM

My favorites are will of urgash and archer's dream, both easily obtainable and quite useful. I dislike sets that are virtually impossile to complete - like the dragon set, for instance. They end up being completely worthless.

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PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted October 27, 2007 03:26 PM

I would argue that the vestment of enlightenment is overpowered.  45% bonus experience for 2 artifacts?

the dragon set is for rpg maps.

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Nirual
Nirual


Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
posted October 27, 2007 03:42 PM

the good thing is that all sets are set up in a way that you get a bonus with 2 pieces already regardless of class. Well, except Lions Spirit.

You usually can't count on getting a whole set, but the first set bonus is quite reachable. Especially if you are lucky and get one of the minor artifacts from the starting bonus.
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Zenithale
Zenithale


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Famous Hero
Zen Mind
posted October 27, 2007 03:59 PM

Quote:
only one artifact was missing,dragon dragon flame tongue

Same for me, during my first TotE Multiplayer game on "Ascension".

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PaleMaster
PaleMaster


Hired Hero
posted October 27, 2007 05:33 PM

artifact sets is a good feature
in fact the whole dragon set is almost impossible to complete, but 2 set bonus which gives u +1 to all hero atributes is very nice, 4 set bonus isnt also very hard to obtain
will of urgash is very good set too and easily obtainable
archers dream is a bit imba i think, against sylvan who has it,it is gg, the set bonus is strong and the components are very good too

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Radar
Radar


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted October 27, 2007 06:10 PM

You can complete whole set playing Rise to power multiplayer map

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emilsn
emilsn


Legendary Hero
posted October 27, 2007 08:51 PM

Lions spirit rocks with every class.. (maybe not Necro.. but still) Moving that hero up the atb bar is awesome.. Your Hero will be acting all the time and if your a Barberian you are gonna love it, Battle elation with a hero that got this set(your creatures will have 3 moral from leadership and 5 from the set = 8 moral) . Its crazy.. I loved it in the campaign!
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Slapzech
Slapzech


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that didn't vote for Kaczynski
posted October 28, 2007 11:24 AM
Edited by Slapzech at 12:01, 28 Oct 2007.

ismail222, can I ask You how the bloody hell did You performed 200% original dmg. chain?

I made a random map in the generator and tweaked it a bit, thus after 6 minutes I entered the battle with some random mob having the set.
It actually doubled chains damage, both from spells and from units.
40% more dmg. (with 2nd lvl Irresistible magic only).

But when it came to testing a combination about which probably every warlock player dreamed of (having chain dmg. from spells actually 200% of the base spell dmg.) my vision shattered.

Some data:
24lvl Sinitar with 21 Spellpower
Both Rage of the Elements and the Runeforce Set
(Meaning Destruction Mastery & Expert Irresistible Magic)
With one Altar as a backup.

Ordinary (non-empowered) Spell:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/pointzer0/?action=view&current=noluck.jpg

"Lucky" (also non-empowered) Spell:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v295/pointzer0/?action=view&current=luck.jpg

[EDIT]
Yeah, no Pendant means that I had chains do 40% base dmg, 80% with Rage or the set. Having both of them however didn't turned out as profitable as I though it would (dealing 160% of base damage that is).

Is it just me having a cute bug (and many more, like having Teleport assault requirements of not Scouting [like it is written in the manual and most of skill wheel's] but from pathfinding), or those bonuses simply do not combine?
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ismail222
ismail222


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The Cataclysm
posted October 28, 2007 12:12 PM
Edited by ismail222 at 12:16, 28 Oct 2007.

as i said rage of the elements + runeforce,and i didn't mean 200% literally but very close to 200% and i had 2 altars

http://www.speedyshare.com/175681706.html

in the replay u can actually see 2,5k dmg and 5k elemental = 7,5k total dmg,and 5k spell (lucky) + 10k elemental =  15k dmg

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Slapzech
Slapzech


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that didn't vote for Kaczynski
posted October 28, 2007 12:30 PM
Edited by Slapzech at 12:35, 28 Oct 2007.

Quote:
as i said rage of the elements + runeforce,and i didn't mean 200% literally but very close to 200% and i had 2 altars

http://www.speedyshare.com/175681706.html

in the replay u can actually see 2,5k dmg and 5k elemental = 7,5k total dmg,and 5k spell (lucky) + 10k elemental =  15k dmg

am no liar


I did not called You a liar, I was just a bit suprised.
Either way - mea culpa. If You felt offended by that - I do apologise.

And now we know that the Rage of the Elements and the Runeforce does not stock with each other. Thus - in my case at least - rendering the set utterly useless, for everytime I played I got the Warlock's final racial skill long before the set.

The Hell, in most games I already posessed complete Dragon set before i even got a chance to collect one item from the Runeforce.

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ismail222
ismail222


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The Cataclysm
posted October 28, 2007 12:41 PM

no it's ok,and u must be one unlucky fella lol
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Slapzech
Slapzech


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that didn't vote for Kaczynski
posted October 28, 2007 01:02 PM
Edited by Slapzech at 13:03, 28 Oct 2007.

Quote:
no it's ok,and u must be one unlucky fella lol


Got used to it. although right now I'm having a break from Heroes V, after Urgath's catapult with him having no Warmachines skill at all - destroyed all three of my castle's towers, gate and a wall fragment in 5 turns.

And about the other sets - Sar Issus regalia are a bit overpowered imho. just two items doubling effectiveness of the caster units is a bit to much, taking in consideration the items themselves.
Ring essentially doubling hero's mana pool and staff shattering resistances.

And the completed dragon set supplying the hero with a 7th tier unit per day should have never come into existance O_x
It's just... wrong.

No commentary 'bout the other sets. All of them are just the way as they should be.

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PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


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Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted October 28, 2007 04:25 PM

Quote:
And the completed dragon set supplying the hero with a 7th tier unit per day should have never come into existance O_x
It's just... wrong.



For those who have gotten this is it an upgraded or unupgraded level 7?

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Slapzech
Slapzech


Adventuring Hero
that didn't vote for Kaczynski
posted October 28, 2007 04:36 PM
Edited by Slapzech at 16:42, 28 Oct 2007.

Quote:
Quote:
And the completed dragon set supplying the hero with a 7th tier unit per day should have never come into existance O_x
It's just... wrong.



For those who have gotten this is it an upgraded or unupgraded level 7?


Hypotheticaly the order of the creatures gained is:
1: Classic tier 7 upgrade
2: ToE Alternative
3: Clear tier 7 creature

Yet usually when I got just one type of the unit under the command of a hero eqquipped with the set, i usually got only those versions of the creatures i actually possessed.
(Easily said: "You get what You got")

[EDIT]
About the theoretical order:
Wouldn't bet my kidney on it, as this info comes from the manual in which i found not a small mistake already. One thing I can tell You for sure is that every time i got only one stack of tier 7 creatures upgraded and got the set - i got precisely those types of upgraded creatures every day.

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Doomforge
Doomforge

Hero of Order
Mayhem Elemental
posted October 28, 2007 04:47 PM

Quote:
And the completed dragon set supplying the hero with a 7th tier unit per day should have never come into existance O_x
It's just... wrong.



Honestly, why do people care about the balance of some hypothetical item set that can not be completed in a multiplayer game?

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Slapzech
Slapzech


Adventuring Hero
that didn't vote for Kaczynski
posted October 28, 2007 04:58 PM

Quote:
Quote:
And the completed dragon set supplying the hero with a 7th tier unit per day should have never come into existance O_x
It's just... wrong.



Honestly, why do people care about the balance of some hypothetical item set that can not be completed in a multiplayer game?


Honestly, why do people think that everyone plays just multi, and not for exemple - some custom game for relaxation?

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ismail222
ismail222


Known Hero
The Cataclysm
posted October 28, 2007 05:00 PM

for me when i got the set with dungeon i got black dragons daily,but then again,i kept the set with the in-castle hero for dragon troops,dunno how it works
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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted October 28, 2007 05:04 PM

Why had I been anticipating this comment? On the practical aspect I agree which is why I did not bother much but some may find the discussion interesting.

My reasoning is that it's not reliable you'll get them all and that heroes artifacts always were about luck and almost never balance
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