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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: GAMES REPORTED: 3004
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Valentin
Valentin


Adventuring Hero
grr
posted November 09, 2007 07:25 PM

GAMES REPORTED: 3004

3K GAMES in H5 and the game become really good in 3.0 version. Congratulation everyone.

But there's always something for improve, now the biggest problem for me is the game speed. Almost noone in TOH best players play with time limit and dinamic battle. One game = 20-30-40 hours  It is too much and TOH is not able to include "fast players". Maybe all "old dogs" must start to play fast games. The games will become dynamic.

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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted November 09, 2007 08:27 PM

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3K GAMES in H5 and the game become really good in 3.0 version. Congratulation everyone.

But there's always something for improve, now the biggest problem for me is the game speed. Almost noone in TOH best players play with time limit and dinamic battle. One game = 20-30-40 hours  It is too much and TOH is not able to include "fast players". Maybe all "old dogs" must start to play fast games. The games will become dynamic.


OMG... insane One game 20-30-40 hours).... My games Usually takes from 3-5 hours  (I got a few one's who last for 8+ hours but I don't like that....!!    
I'll never play against player who plays one game (map) for +8 hours!!) period...
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Fraudatio
Fraudatio


Famous Hero
posted November 09, 2007 08:39 PM

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I'll never play against player who plays one game (map) for +8 hours!!) period...


Hehe, If the right huge map comes up, I am sure I can make you take those words back But yeah, a game of 20-40 hours means that the final battle never is final, and that I find increadibly annoying. I prefer, like we have Fiur, a final battle, with the mains, and the winner of that battle wins. Period. Then you`ll (almost) never have games of 10 hs +

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phoenixreborn
phoenixreborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted November 10, 2007 03:05 AM

Who is playing 20-40 hours?

All my games take between 5 and 7 hours.  I'll be playing this week again.

I agree though, I wish the game ran smoother and faster, but the sim turns is nice.

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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted November 10, 2007 05:45 AM
Edited by fiur at 05:45, 10 Nov 2007.

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I'll never play against player who plays one game (map) for +8 hours!!) period...


Hehe, If the right huge map comes up, I am sure I can make you take those words back But yeah, a game of 20-40 hours means that the final battle never is final, and that I find increadibly annoying. I prefer, like we have Fiur, a final battle, with the mains, and the winner of that battle wins. Period. Then you`ll (almost) never have games of 10 hs +


well fraudatio I finally started making a new map (Master of Disguise)
Normal size with underground......

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted November 10, 2007 08:57 AM

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... One game = 20-30-40 hours  ...
omg that's why homm3 SOD/TE is still very very popular it takes 4-6 hours for normal game, hero development up to level 19-21 or 8-12 hours for 2vs2 games

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isabelyes
isabelyes


Fierce Battlegriffin
posted November 10, 2007 09:33 AM

h3 is populair cuz its good!

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted November 10, 2007 12:34 PM

h3 z popalaur
cause it was the right game the right moment, online gaming trend was in its lustful begginings, worldwide, including forum spams as homm community backup

h3 z popalaur
cause majority of its playing crowd was young back then
cause has the greatest fictional-dreamy graphics/aesthetics
cause was very simple game
cause 1/3 players was cheater or abuser in general, producing a wave of reactions-talks, which equals to life-alive

h3 z popalaur
cause vinyl disc of homm3heads has stuck repeating same old verse allover again and again and again and again


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sphere
sphere


Supreme Hero
posted November 10, 2007 02:57 PM
Edited by sphere at 15:02, 10 Nov 2007.

*Wrong forum, ups :/
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Who is this General Failure, and why is he looking at my disk ?

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phoenixreborn
phoenixreborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted November 10, 2007 05:58 PM
Edited by phoenixreborn at 18:00, 10 Nov 2007.

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... One game = 20-30-40 hours  ...
omg that's why homm3 SOD/TE is still very very popular it takes 4-6 hours for normal game,


So then why did you ignore my post where I said that 5-7 hours is the normal time for an H5 game also?

Obviously map size is also a factor.

Edit: timed turns doesn't automatically mean a shorter game and it is much worse gameplay.

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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted November 11, 2007 11:12 AM
Edited by Elit at 11:14, 11 Nov 2007.

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One game = 20-30-40 hours  It is too much and TOH is not able to include "fast players".
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I know only 1 map (http://www.maps4heroes.com/heroes5/maps/a_dance_for_two_19.zip)where is possible 20-30h-40h in OLD version h5-1.3..but after simulate turn come ....its will end for less 10-12h too. In TOH page not 1 map where you need over 10h play(if your oponent play realy slow)...and most you can end for 4-6h.

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted November 11, 2007 06:27 PM

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... One game = 20-30-40 hours  ...
omg that's why homm3 SOD/TE is still very very popular it takes 4-6 hours for normal game,


So then why did you ignore my post where I said that 5-7 hours is the normal time for an H5 game also?

Obviously map size is also a factor.


well, Valentin is highly ranked player (1795 Points) vs you (953 points), so i believed his estimations...

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
*****
posted November 11, 2007 09:39 PM

I think valentin is referring to playing random maps... In the latest game me and him are playing... he knew he was gonna lose, so he chose to run and hide on map until week of the harpooner came and he could then run around map and collect 1000 harpooners so he could win the game.  I dont blame him for doing what he needed to to win... but that made the game last 3 times longer then normal. So not sure why he complaining about long games, when he is guilty of making them long    

As for 5-7 hour games... Those are really only possible if you play little fast rush maps, where hero development is easy and fast to acheive, based on the way map was designed.

Some people like them spoon feed ya maps..that develop your hero in 2 weeks and then you can fight... To each there own.. I personally prefer maps that you have to work a bit harder to develop your hero. Which as a result means longer games.  But I also dont care about having to save and finish in a couple sittings if it means I get a good quality game....  if I wanted a fast 2 hours rush game, I would play starcraft or warcraft and do the zergling rush 45 secs into the game, and go report lol

So people are into the games for the end result and to report as fast and as many times as possible, I personally am in it for the experience and the joy of an indepth game. But as I said to each there own...  Just as Fiur stated.... he wouldnt play anyone that wanted an 8hour+ game... I am same way except I wont play anyone who only wants the 4 hour week 3 rush game.  


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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted November 12, 2007 08:47 AM

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I personally prefer maps that you have to work a bit harder to develop your hero.

Me too. I play only random maps (on H3/TE) and i don't like rush games with meeting week 1. I prefer to develop my hero up to level 15-21. That's comes at week3-4. By that time i should make maybe 60 battles (3-4 per turn), open few Hives/Conservatories, take Utopias/Libraries, open at least 40% of XL map (no underground, DD/Fly banned). That's fun...and it's possible to finish such game in 4-6 hours (with 6 minutes/turn limit on SOD or 3000+400 chess-timer on TE).

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted November 12, 2007 07:26 PM

In heroes 3 yes thats possible since you are able to use a turn timer.  But with Heroes 5 retarded timer running during battles, you are unable to use a turn timer.  If they made timer not run during battles like in heroes 3, then heroes 5 players could start using turn timers again and that would speed things up.


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phoenixreborn
phoenixreborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted November 12, 2007 07:36 PM

Well I certainly wouldn't accuse myself of trying to report as many games as possible.

Real life time is scarce so I play smaller maps.  I'm just saying those don't take that long even if I have to do them by saving and returning.

I personally don't understand the appeal of random maps but maybe I should try them out more.

I mean either you know exactly what the template will do so it isn't actually random or it's completely random and therefore poorly designed.

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feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 16, 2007 11:35 PM

Im not playing anymore but i hated long games too

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Rethwen
Rethwen


Adventuring Hero
posted November 18, 2007 03:09 AM

Hey Guys,

I am sure you all have noted this, but a buddy and I (both have fast connections) have noticed that the send times between turns often take time.  One instance, both of us timed it and we clicked end turn at same time and it took three minutes for the game to get to the next day where we could move.  So that could be part of the problem with the long games.  Have any of you timed the send from the point where you both say "ok, end turn and time it"?  Of course it helps if you, like I do, have skype and can talk real time to the other player.

Rethwen

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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted November 18, 2007 06:14 AM

It can take long ,usually it don't , If it takes long usually its a matter of a slow computer - the autosave is what slows it down , The autosave really works slow on slow computers.
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neinspiratul
neinspiratul


Hired Hero
posted December 04, 2007 05:58 PM

I don't think a timer is a good idea(I mean the kind of timer that goes on in battles). Last game i had like a 30 mins move playing MoD simply because i had a lot of long lasting fights and my comp is really slow on that map(one of my favourites though ). Having a timer would make that imposible.
For long lasting games I use save/reload. I don't agree with the idea of reducing the game to growing a main hero and then fighting ur opponent(I mean this can be solved single player + a multiplayer duel - why lose 5 hours creeping?) Heroes is much more then this...
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